Astral Projection take 127

[Ejekt]

gradually over the past couple years i have been reading up on astral projection and OBE's and what not, and i've tried to do it several times only to fail.

I'm still not sure weither to believe it exists, im kind of sceptic because from what i see, a lot of people on here claim they can project and do so often. and i also read about how much knowledge u can get from the astral like from the aestik records (spelling?) or whatever, but yet theres no evidence anywhere of anyone stating things they found out from these records, and why not use that knowledge to help mankind? or why not do similar experiments like that Miss Z lady did, viewing the number in the other room while out of body. seems fishy to me. but what i can say from what i've experienced is that the process people post to get to leave your body is interesting to say the least.

The more i do it, the more i usually experience, and its never quite the same thing each time, something new always happens.

Last night i was trying a new technique i read somewhere, the one where u relax (like u do in all the techniques) only in this one, u hold ur arm up so when u fall asleep, your arm falls down and wakes u up mentally.

Well, it worked. The second my arm fell, i woke up mentally, by that i mean i had the same feelings as i did in my past experiences when my body fell asleep.

I felt really heavy, especially my eyes, which almost had a suction kind of feeling like they were being sucked into my head. not painful or uncomfortable just weird.

I also had this wave like feeling in my body that rocked back and forth at the same pace, and when the wave reached my feet it would feel like i was being tugged by my feet, and then the wave would bounce back up to my shoulders and back down again.

I could feel my eyes start to move around, as eyes do when they dream when your asleep, only i wasn't moving my eyes consciously anyway.

Ive always been told that sometimes i sleep with my eyes partially open, so this may not be what it felt like, but the blackness of my eyelids started to fade away and i could see as if my eyes were squinted, not perfect vision but still able to make out the feint like on my wall shining through my window, and the corner where the wall meets the ceiling. It felt as though i was looking through my eye lids, but i wasnt moving my eye lids because in this state,moving any part of the (physical) body is hard as everything feels weighed down.

i started to get excited as this hasnt happened many times before, and my concentration would fade in and out, at times id have to re-concentrate, when i lost concentration the blackness of my eye lids would fade back in.

Here's where things got weird.

when my concentration came back, i could still see like i could before, only now i could see these feint light dots everywhere, think of looking @ the stars at night. it was like a transparent star lit sky was in my room, or over my vision. so i focused on this and pictured myself laying in the grass looking up at these stars, hoping it would get me out of my body somehow.

the more i concentrated on it, the more vivid it became, but i could still see the walls of my room, it was if i could see 2 different things at once, on top of eachother. sort of when ur looking at something up close and the 2 images from your 2 eyes dont match and u can see a transparent version of what ur other eye is seeing over ur vision.

then, the "stars" started to fade and i could see my room more clearly, and i remember looking at the light on my wall, and thinking "ok, time to get out of my body" and i tried to picture moving my astral arm towards the light, i pictured it and focused on moving it slowly but surely. I started to get a tingling, almost cold feeling all over my arm, kind of a numb feeling, and it felt as though my astral arm was sticking to my physical one. Kind of like that feeling u get on a hot summer day when ur back sticks to a seat or something. the more i tried to move it the harder it got, and i didnt want to try to force it and move my physical arm and wake my body up.

Then, thats when i saw... something.

on my ceiling, slightly above the light i was focusing on that was on my wall, i saw these 2 dark, fuzzy, orbs with tails (think of a tadpole only pitch black and blurred, the ball end being about the size of a basketball) flying around my ceiling.

at first it was just one, that flew to the left rather swiftly out of my vision, then 2 flew in from the left and chased eachother in a circle yin-yang type shape and then flew off to the right. then 1 more flew in from the right and kind of danced around and flew out of vision to the left again.

this was the first time i ever had something like this happen, so i think ig ot kind of scared and i lost my concentration. i then remembered i heard about dark spirits in the astral or something, which didnt help things any.

i was still trying to get my arm out at the time, and kind of moved my physical arm, thus waking up my body, which then made my whole body feel tingly and semi-numb, which wore off in abotu 10-20 seconds, and then i was sitting up awake.

the orbs were vivid, and definatly wasnt my imagination or mind conjuring up images as the mind often does. they were vivid, as if they were actually there. there is no street outside my window so no cars, or anything that would produce this in my room.

i do remember while trying to concentrate on the blackness behind my eyes when my arm fell, that 2 images flashed in my mind, but i think it was just my mind throwing images at me like it likes to do when ones mind chatters and randomly thinks about things. if it matters though one image that flashed was a close up of someones face, almost looking dead. the other image that flashed before that one i cant remember.

anyway, thats not going to stop me from trying to project some more, infact i have to get ready for sleep soon as i have work in the mornign so i'll give it another shot.

if anyone can give me any tips on what to do at that step i was at, in terms of getting out of my body, it would be much appreciated.

sorry for the long post :]

[kiwibonga]

I'm still not sure weither to believe it exists, im kind of sceptic because from what i see, a lot of people on here claim they can project and do so often. and i also read about how much knowledge u can get from the astral like from the aestik records (spelling?) or whatever, but yet theres no evidence anywhere of anyone stating things they found out from these records, and why not use that knowledge to help mankind?

It's impossible to prove OBEs over the internet. Anyone can make up anything.

As for predicting the future, it's -extremely hard-, even for the most experienced psychics.

I don't feel I owe proof to anyone, but I am writing a guide to teach others how to project, because I believe everyone should experience it at least once in their lifetime.

The proof is in the experience. Keep trying.

[Ejekt]

It's impossible to prove OBEs over the internet. Anyone can make up anything.

As for predicting the future, it's -extremely hard-, even for the most experienced psychics.

I don't feel I owe proof to anyone, but I am writing a guide to teach others how to project, because I believe everyone should experience it at least once in their lifetime.

The proof is in the experience. Keep trying.

i wasnt asking anyone to prove anything, that wasnt the focus of my post. really, you avoided the whole subject of the post, not to be rude or anything.

i was looking more for feedback on the experience i had and suggestions on how to leave the body once at the stage i was at

[Nay]

Well, if your own experience..the one you just so eloquently wrote out for our viewing pleasure, didn't prove it to you nothing will.    Usually when I read of such experiences it's from someone who has had more than a few, wtg!

I've never see anything like you described....I am assuming you want comments on the little black things?  In the RTZ for all I know it could have been two bugs flying around in the physical that morphed for you.

Good experience..classic.  Keep it up and btw, welcome to the forums. 

[kiwibonga]

i wasnt asking anyone to prove anything, that wasnt the focus of my post. really, you avoided the whole subject of the post, not to be rude or anything.

i was looking more for feedback on the experience i had and suggestions on how to leave the body once at the stage i was at

That's the only part of the post I wanted to answer. For the rest, I wasn't sure what to answer... It doesn't seem like you have a problem with projecting or hit a dead end or anything... So I thought I'd let other people have a shot at it :p

[Ejekt]

how do i leave my body once i get to the stage i was at? 

[CFTraveler]

You know when your body was going back and forth?  That was your energy body going out.  If this kind of thing happens to you again (symptoms vary so techs vary too) imagine you're riding the swing/wave and try to 'go with it' until you feel like you're being thrown out. 
I have the feeling you were bilocating still in your general vicinity (your energy body was separated from your reg. body, but so close you were receiving input from both sets of senses.)  If you get the 'stars' effect, try to focus on one of them (one that looks far away) and feel yourself falling to it- that's another way to go with it. 
I think you were close enough to get out.  I hope you can do it again- try these exit techniques and I hope they work for you.

[Drift]

Theres nothing wrong with being sceptical.

Theres are a thousand theories and methods all with equally interesting 'levels' names and descriptions about what everything is and what everything means, they cant all be right.

Projection, that being the experience itself whatever you believe it is, is real however.

Im lucky (I say lucky because its a beautiful and profound experience) in that I never had to try. My first experience happened naturally. I was laying trying to sleep on the coach when I was 18 (I could have gone to bed but for some odd reason I preffered my couch!) next thing I know im 'out of my body' (it certainly feels that way whatever is actualyl happening) floating round and round my livingroom. I tried to control my movement but the best I could do was stop myself somesaulting as I floated.

Anyway after a while I floated back into my body and a nice lady who had been standing watching me spin around nelt beside me and kissed my forehead and stroked my hair. Then I sat up and all was normal and I was left wondering what the hell just happened.

I can tell you a couple of things, my living room in the 'floaty world' wasnt the same evn though it appeared very normal. The lady who knelt beside me and kissed my head was on my left side, but in the living room on the left side of me was the wall behind the couch. Its odd because I never noticed the difference in the experience, all appeared normal. Only afterwards thinking about her kissing me I looked left and there was the wall. So, all is not as it seemed for sure.

Since then ive had many fascinating experiences with having more or less control over myself. As I said ive always been able to get to that state naturally without much effort, although I do use my own method to get there when its not happening naturally.

Anyway, I dont know what to tell you about the truth here. I dont know where I went, if indeed I went anywhere at all. I can tell you it seems like I went somewhere, it feels 100% real and tangible and just as real as going to the bathroom in the morning. Ive appearread in a futuristic city in the middle of what seemed a pedestrian walkway. There were people, i say people because they were in a kind of light blueish, silvery toned way all going about their business. All of a sudden everyone around me stops, stares and me and the some people start approaching me. At this point I do the normal human sane thing, freak out and vanish back into my bedroom all freaked out.

I guess what im trying to say here is dont pull away from something very awesome and amazing just because you dont want to believe in the '29th gateway to wonderland'. No lost Aztec has ever handed me any magic beans and I dont have the answers to the universe either.

I wll tell you this, Ive walked in space across the outerim of solar systems, and seen rainbows of colours as distant suns slide behind strange planets illuminating the strips of cosmic dust in the light. Ive walked on worlds beautiful and fascinating and seen things so odd I actually cant grasp what it is when im awake because my logical brain has no point of reference for it. Its felt to me as real as going a stroll in the park and believe me that in itself makes it a wonderful and fascinating experience.

Can you imagine standing in space watching suns roll behind planets and feeling like its real and you are really there? The truth is real or not, the sensual experience is real as hell and words can describe how lucky I am to have felt that way.

I dont know whats happeneing when I go to these places  really dont. I used to think maybe it was the point when the subconcious takes over from the conscious but the timing is off so you wind up being awake and wandering in your own sleping mind.

I struggled with that definition when I had an experience I couldnt put into words. Its like describing RED to a blind man, he has no point of reference so how can you describe colour to him. There I had my problem I had an experience in a place where sights and sounds were so alien to my mind that when I was back in my normal room I couldnt even get my head around thinking about what id seen. Ic ouldnt imagine it, describe it, or find any words to tell you or anyone else about it.

That gave me a slight problem on my 'sleeping mind' theory because how can my mind conceive of things that I cant possibly reference or think about? Odd as hell, but equally impressive and fascinating I can say.

So, there we have it. I dont believe any theory, I just dont know. Really I hope someday from my own expriences ill find the answer, but maybe I never will. Still I will always be grateful for these expereinces because they allow me moments most people will never have in life, thats worth something!

I hope you do find your way to having one, only then will you understand why those who have had them can be so tied up in it. Its a powerful thing to experience.