Astral realms' self-protection mechanisms?

[Chloe276551]

This is a bit of an weird thing I've noticed and I'd like to hear if anyone has had experiences. So for the longest time I've been into trying to figure out how spiritual experiences work, think finding a way to scientifically explain astral projection and related things. There were a couple times where I got pretty close when trying to "steal" information on this matter from astral realities... but something would always stop me before I succeeded.

First attempt was trying to get to a book on inter-reality physics by going into the library of an astral university. Immediately as I got close, all the people surrounding my astral self began purposely distracting me and making a ton of noise. When I got to where the book I wanted was, I was instantly sent back to this reality and my earthly body.

The second time was even more intense. I started out by listening to a free basic guided meditation from the Monroe Institute, and initially landed in a starting spot in a place that resembled what my home would be like if everything was ideal in my life (think a "happy space" with all my dream hobby stuff, etc...) with a time signature (or "time feel") of some time in the year 2048. I then end up walking out of this house and into a gloomy rainy street, and then everything goes dark like I'm sucked into a black hole. A few moments later, I land in this dark area where in the background I hear my best friend's dead father telling me to follow him so I can stop lying to his son about who I am (I have hidden some aspects of my identity from the friend in question, and there are some reasons I'd rather not disclose as to why reverse engineering astral projection would enable me to quit hiding those things from him). I ended up in front of this lantern-lit building that was more than obviously some research facility, and my friend's father's presence vanishes. I go inside and in the lobby there are some late 90s era computers and such. The time signature felt like circa first quarter of 1998 (won't mention the month for privacy reasons), roughly two years before my birth. Immediately I realize from my surroundings and the intense spiritual sensations that I am in an abandoned research facility that likely lost alot of people due to some kind of radiation related accident when trying to make a link between realities. I am then drawn into an endless hallway straight forward and something draws me to a particular door on the left. It was a bookroom-office type space with books everywhere and a desk to my right. I begin going through the desk drawer and find a red book with a golden text title saying it was something about "reality hacking". I begin to flip through it and immediately see a bunch of otherworldly math formulas between the other text that are completely different from any kind of math I have seen. Realizing that I'm probably on borrowed time after what happened the first time, I begin to flip through looking for at least a main answer to the workings of astral projection and other inter-reality activities, with the plan of looking back at the weird math if I didn't get sent back to earth. Needless to say I eventually hit the jackpot and see this vector plot of an inter-reality portal-like field and immediately recognized it as a vector force plot due to my engineering background. The minute my brain fired up with excitement and looked towards the bottom of the page to see the description, just before I could process what was written, BOOM! I immediately began to lose all my energy, my vision began to blur and fade as if I was suddenly dying, and I end up waking up on earth in my mundane physical body.

There have been other manifestations of this kind of self-protection mechanism, including when I've attempted to manually reverse engineer astral worlds and intermediary spaces, and its really weird. Its like it knows that I am capable of such stuff if not stopped and that it is my personal life purpose to at least get somewhere towards a discovery of this magnitude, and whatever it is it just sabotages me. There was even an incident where I failed and then before being sent back to earth I was stuck in this hellish underworldy space alone while a song I normally associate with personal success began playing all around me in an unprecedentedly profusely mocking/ridiculing tone until I started to sob which sent me right back to earth.

My question is, has anyone else experienced this?

[EscapeVelocity]

I think this is actually a really great and original question- Why do so many of our Non-Physical experiences of inquiry result in failure and near obstruction?

It seems to be a quality of our Earth/human experience that some of these existential questions remain unanswered and even blocked at times...maybe it's as simple as that, to keep us in the PR game simulation to learn from that perspective alone. Much of my own 60+ years exploration has been a combination of some success and mostly failure, much as you describe. The successes are pretty self-evident, the failures very perplexing and frustrating in their nature. One quality of the failures that stands out to me is the contributing imagery and lifelong struggles within my own subconscious...the images and storylines and inner difficulties...

This seems evident in your narrative, Chloe...the characterization of your inner exploration within the framework of your engineering background. It's not right or wrong, it's just your unique perspective. And within this context, anyone can offer advice, but only you can come to a more complete understanding for yourself.

My own voyage of discovery has involved many or variants of the situations you describe...I find the library, I read the book, decipher the language, but cannot make the complete translation, cannot understand the mathematical equations...the last several years it has devolved into lucid dreams of pulling out drawers and dumping a hundred useless objects I feel I must sort through...endless scenarios of that silly bedlam...

So much of this imagery comes from our personal subconscious, and the message I think, is to search elsewhere, mostly into your subconscious and how it communicates into your dreams and NP experiences...when I figure it out, I will let you know...if you figure it out first, please let me know.

Do not despair. this is the drudge work, the digging with a shovel...digging through both the NP and your own subconscious interpretation framework.

[Lumaza]

 Great conversation. I agree with EV, as usual!

 While noticing the darkness before my eyes, it quickly changes into an etheric movement forwards that seems to be moving into a hallway, cave, corridor, etc. The first time this began to happen, I found a Library at the end of a tunnel. The books looked ancient. I opened one of them but had no clue how to decipher the text at all. Shortly after this experience I awoke abruptly totally disoriented as some kind of "download" seemed to be occurring. The imagery, which I took as some kind "cuneiform", seemed to be just flying by at an intense speed.

 I knew that at the time whatever was being shown to me was for "my eyes only". I say my eyes only because I didn't understand what it all meant and had no clue even how to share what I was experiencing with others here.

 This experience was one of many that finally led me to create my "Doorway technique" that is found at this link here. I will go into this a bit further on another thread that you recently made.
https://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome-to-astral-consciousness!/the-doorway/

 I will add one more thing. There is indeed "structure" in the NPRs (non-physical realms), just as there is in this physical existence here. That means that there is a "ruling force" as well. I have experienced this firsthand in a number of NPR adventures. I guess I am "stubborn" once I have a target in sight, lol! 

 

 

[Chloe276551]

I think this is actually a really great and original question- Why do so many of our Non-Physical experiences of inquiry result in failure and near obstruction?

It seems to be a quality of our Earth/human experience that some of these existential questions remain unanswered and even blocked at times...maybe it's as simple as that, to keep us in the PR game simulation to learn from that perspective alone. Much of my own 60+ years exploration has been a combination of some success and mostly failure, much as you describe. The successes are pretty self-evident, the failures very perplexing and frustrating in their nature. One quality of the failures that stands out to me is the contributing imagery and lifelong struggles within my own subconscious...the images and storylines and inner difficulties...

This seems evident in your narrative, Chloe...the characterization of your inner exploration within the framework of your engineering background. It's not right or wrong, it's just your unique perspective. And within this context, anyone can offer advice, but only you can come to a more complete understanding for yourself.

My own voyage of discovery has involved many or variants of the situations you describe...I find the library, I read the book, decipher the language, but cannot make the complete translation, cannot understand the mathematical equations...the last several years it has devolved into lucid dreams of pulling out drawers and dumping a hundred useless objects I feel I must sort through...endless scenarios of that silly bedlam...

So much of this imagery comes from our personal subconscious, and the message I think, is to search elsewhere, mostly into your subconscious and how it communicates into your dreams and NP experiences...when I figure it out, I will let you know...if you figure it out first, please let me know.

Do not despair. this is the drudge work, the digging with a shovel...digging through both the NP and your own subconscious interpretation framework.

Haha yeah I agree big time. NP and subconscious stuff mix alot and it can be a minefield for me to separate the two. When you can at least discern between the two or filter out the subconscious entirely during an out of body experience, things can get pretty intense and you can get into some very interesting and often dark places. Better yet, filtering out subconscious interference can enable you to find tiny flaws in whatever experience you are having. Much like even the most secure computer, even the best protected reality has its flaws and I have made great progress on many matters both personal or otherwise whenever I've managed to exploit on of those "reality vulnerabilities". Its like a next-level version of finding a physics-breaking glitch in a video game or finding the weakness in the anti-modification protection of a computer program.

[Tak]

Hello, Chole! Welcome! Everything you've shared here is of great interest to me, and it's something I've been thinking about a lot too.

I think many of us go through this. I believe that sometimes we're not prepared to receive certain information, and a part of us or another energy, blocks our way to it. Maybe the answer would be a shock, and it's not a good time in our lives to assimilate it. Sometimes we think we're ready, but honestly, we need to reflect. Do I really need this knowledge in my life right now? How would it change me? How would it affect me and others? I have so many questions and curiosities... But maybe it's not the time to answer all that now.

My first experience seeking information in the Library is quite funny! It was when I was 16, almost 20 years ago. At that time, I had never read anything about astral travel, and I barely had any knowledge or someone to talk to about it. I only found out it was normal because one of my high school classmates and friend belonged to an occult order with his brothers, and he gave me more information and made me read the first books.

I remember becoming conscious one night and finding myself in a place of white energy. There, I met my main Guide, whom I always see as a wise old man with robes and a long gray beard, with the kindest and most loving eyes I've ever seen. He's the one who watches over me during my time on Earth. I asked him to take me to seek information, and he transported me to a huge library. It's hilarious when those beings take you and transport you from one place to another so easily! At that moment, I think I lost notion of my body, and I saw a white whirlwind.

The Library was perceived by me as a Greek or Roman structure, made of marble and enormous columns, monumental. It didn't have a roof! And I could see the stars, maybe some moon or planets. He took me to The Keeper of The Library, as I had to be approved before entering (just like Kurt Leland says in his books, too). I saw him in a robe, but he was bald and beardless. As soon as he saw me, he made a sign to my Guide like saying NO! No way. That's when I got angry... And you know what I did? I kicked the Keeper's desk and told him that it had been a great effort for me to access the higher astral planes (a term I had never used on Earth but remembered at that moment), and that I wasn't leaving without an answer.

I think he felt my desperation and firmness, and he told me to ask whatever I wanted. Unfortunately, the only thing that came to mind was asking if reincarnation existed. He said yes, and immediately made a sign to my Guide to take me out, and that's what happened. I felt like I was being absorbed against my will into that white void, and I woke up. I feel like my Guide was laughing inside about the whole situation but tried to seem serious.

After coming back, I was perplexed but also very ashamed of my attitude. I was afraid they would put me on the "black list" and not let me in again. Besides, the Keeper barely saw me and didn't approve of me. I was a teenager, and I still had a lot to learn; I wasn't ready for that knowledge, I suppose. But I wonder, why did my Guide agree to take me then?

Although that experience was a bit funny, I felt ashamed for many years and didn't dare try again. But I said sorry to my Guide and The Keeper inside.
However, my great dream is to enter the Library freely and study properly how reality works and understand myself better.

Last year, I intended to do it again, and I found myself in front of ancient doors, but they were locked, and I couldn't enter, even though I knocked hard. That made me sad too. And then a security guard found me and chased me; I had to escape. He just saw me as a curious, nosy kid.

Still, I've asked internally, and the answer I get is that if one has a pure desire to enter the Halls of Knowledge, the entrance is always open. You have to be honest with yourself and ask what you want to get out of it. Is it for personal growth and humanity's advancement? Is it a whim? Is it greed? What is it?
For now, I'm very satisfied with the books I'm reading here in the physical world. But I do need direct experience regarding knowledge of my own Being, and that's internal work.

One recommendation is to write a valid argument on a piece of paper, stating the reasons that lead you to want to enter, and discuss it internally with your Guides or Higher Self. Wait in silence for the answer and observe what you feel, what's the first thing that comes to mind.

If you assume ahead of time, Chloe, that someone is trying to prevent you from entering, be careful, because you might be subconsciously generating that situation through a preconceived idea and making it a reality. Thoughts take shape and life in some way. From what I understand, the doors are always open to those who have a pure desire to learn from the heart.

Thank you!