Hello, first time poster here. I've been reading these threads for along time now, especially intrigued by Frank Kepple. I have been having involuntary OBE's for years without knowing why. A few years ago I had woken in bed paralized as usual, body vibrating intensely. It was then that I finally decided to find out the cause. The internet has been a great teacher. I came across Robert Monroe, Robert Bruce, Frank Kepple, Thomas Cambell and just recently Dr. Steve G. Jones. I am posting to you here because I have been going to what I call Astral School for awhile now. My wife's brother-inlaw passed away a couple of years back, he was an incredible man. Very knowledgable on so many fronts and with a great sense of humor. Well, I had purchased Dr. Steve G. Jones's $180.00 Astral Package and started working through the MP3's, they work very vell by the way, 18 in total. Anyways, when I finally started to project I was met by Charlie , my brother in-law and he has taken me under his wings to say which I am honored by. My first projection was to a classroom, there were desks, blackboards a teacher and many other students of all ages. Behind the blackboard was an enormous tunnel, which I take to be as some sort of Vortex or Portal. I try to project everyday day now, but only for an hour at a time. Usually it takes 30-40 mins to get to that state. My method is Binaural Beats, Breathing and Frank Kepple's noticing. Some of the lessons I havew learned have actually come in the form of challenges. Such as being in a home with no doors or windows, sitting in the middle of the room and having an intense fire burning all around me, with the test being putting it out. This I achieved by sucking the flames into my lungs, thus killing the fire's oxygen, another test was being in a home that was being flooded, in this one I went under the water and visualized a giant cork that I then pulled out releasing all the water. These tests were given to show me that anything and everything in the Astral are possible. Everyday now I focus on entering this zone, which Frank calls the Training Zone. I have been in this school now for 2 months and have written about it everyday in my log book. School is very short though, for as soon as I am given the message of the day, I am informed it is time to go, so I will still remember waht has been said in the physical. This experience has been the most fulfilling thing to ever occur in my life. Have any of you ever experience this, is this normal for all of you to do?
The time spent with Charlie once school is done is priceless. He is usually the one to interrupt the school session to say we are done for now.
Hi Lionheart, welcome to the Astral Pulse.
Some might say that your lessons are designed to test your "creativity" more than to show you that anything is possible. You already know anything is possible. :)
As for Franks "Training Zone", if you read later on in his posts you'll come to realize that what he labeled as the "Training Zone" was simply his early-term for his Focus 2 oC (or Monroes Focus 22), the area which Frank believed to be your personal area of consciousness.
As for the school, lots of people report such occurrences. I've had a few experiences in what I would describe as a 'school' environment as well. It wasn't as "school-ish" as yours, but mine was a flying school.
http://unlimitedboundaries.ca/2010/09/22/my-first-lucid-dream-in-two-months/
Thank you Xanth for the quick reply. I didn't really know about Focus 22, I don't have any of the Robert Monroe's Wave Programs. The only programs I have are DR. Steve G. Jones's. I could see how my "school" could be used to boost creativity. I figured it was to get me away from the Physical Mindset. Your Flying School sounds like alot of fun, where do I enroll? :-) Just curious here, has anyone else heard of Dr. Steve G. Jones and if you have, what did you think of his CD's? He always gives credit for alot of his research to Robert Monroe and Robert Bruce. I figured that he was the new current "Expert" on Astral Travel. Also, has anyone here ever taken Robert Bruce's On-line Workshop and if you did, what did you think of it?
Thank you!
I've never heard of the fellow, unfortunately... he sounds like an interesting chap. :)
As for yourself, you sound like you're doing fine on your own really. I'd completely forget about "Focus-this" and "Focus-that" for now and just continue what you're doing, because you seem to be having great success with it!
Quote from: Lionheart on June 15, 2011, 17:22:34
Thank you Xanth for the quick reply. I didn't really know about Focus 22, I don't have any of the Robert Monroe's Wave Programs. The only programs I have are DR. Steve G. Jones's. I could see how my "school" could be used to boost creativity. I figured it was to get me away from the Physical Mindset. Your Flying School sounds like alot of fun, where do I enroll? :-) Just curious here, has anyone else heard of Dr. Steve G. Jones and if you have, what did you think of his CD's? He always gives credit for alot of his research to Robert Monroe and Robert Bruce. I figured that he was the new current "Expert" on Astral Travel. Also, has anyone here ever taken Robert Bruce's On-line Workshop and if you did, what did you think of it?
Thank you!
Hi Lionheart. When you talk about astral school, do you mean lessons in the astral plane? If so I believe they're a way to absorb consciously the lessons you are exposed to subconsciously when you're nonphysical.
As to Robert Bruce, I have taken one 'live' workshop with him at the Monroe Institute (a few years ago) and the PAPI intensive which is through the computer, and enjoyed both. I haven't taken his latest one (I believe it's called AP Mastery) so I can't speak to that one.
CF Traveler, yes it seems like the lessons are being made in the Astral Plane. First I await the vibrations, than the solid white light, then I ask to be brought back to the Training Zone. I actually first see a rickety wooden sign that says Training Zone. Then I am wisked off to school. I would love to hear your technique to absorb that energy there, I usually am just told to stop the session and go write about what I have seen or what I have been told. This way I make quick visits, which is what alot of you here say is valuable early on in development.
I don't know if we are allowed to post other website addresses here, but you could google Dr. Steve G Jones to find out more. He has a ton of free videos that are very insightful.
Thank You!
I think I have written about how I see the progression of experiences before (what happens when you start, what kind of things you learn, how it changes, and what happens next) but not sure where.
However, I see similar progression of events in others- can't say where it's going, because I'm on the same process, obviously.
My advice in 'absorbing the energy' (I would call it information, not energy, but it's my view) of the lesson, I would say that you do what you said (wake up and write it down) and then look to the symbology of the experiences, compare it to archetypal information that's out there and how it connects to your life, and get used to analyzing experiences as they happen. I think this develops your 'astral senses' and your conscious connection with what has been unconscious until now.
Hello again, I was just curious, have any of you been in a Sporting Event in the Astral Plane? I ask because yesterday in my OBE I was on a beach, a volleyball landed near me, I picked it up and went over and played. That was one of the most incredible sensations yet, just interacting in the game. Bumping, spiking, serving and all in real time 3D. What is your most realistic experience with 3D? I would love to hear your replies. I was much different then flying in 3D, because the ball came right up in my face.
Thank You!
i think frank kepple says somewhere that the entrance to focus 3 is sometimes through a vortex. might be interesting to see whats in that vortex behind the blackboard you were talking about?
Quote from: astralp on June 20, 2011, 04:28:51
i think frank kepple says somewhere that the entrance to focus 3 is sometimes through a vortex. might be interesting to see whats in that vortex behind the blackboard you were talking about?
The "entrance" to Focus 3 is simply a shift in your awareness.
I'm not really concerned much with the focus models anymore, but I believe (believed?) that the separation point between Focus 2 and Focus 3 was simply you being able to control your mind. Or another way to put it is the quality of your consciousness.
Hello all. I rarely post on other astral forums as I have my own group where I post
my astral explorations and rescue & retrieval work. I look for the similarities and
differences from other explorers, in other astral forums, in comparison to my own.
Here I have found a good similarity as in this 'Astral School' thread.
My 'Astral School' consisted of me being a student in one of those private type
high schools that the rich kids get sent too. The ones where you wear a school
blazer with the schools crest on the left upper breast pocket, white shirt with
school tie, long pants or slacks, leather black or brown shoes.
The buildings were typical of these types of schools. Old distinguished looking
structures 2 to 4 storied high that you can find in private schools in the USA
or in the UK. Very similar also to buildings you find in older colleges or universities.
They had a sense of intellectual grandeur and authority to them.
I was dressed like the other teenagers there except I perceived myself as
a middle aged adult there, like I am also here in physical reality. This gave
me great embarrassment as all the other kids were of high school age. But
they seem to accept me as one of their own when walking the corridors
between classes, and in classes.
I wondered if the saw me as an older teenager or just accepted me as
an older adult. When walking the corridors I could not hear the other
students talking to each other, but I sensed they were chatting
telepathically. I could not see their lips moving, but I could see their
body language towards each other.
When seated in a classroom I saw that the classroom was only about
40% full. It was a typical classroom with a blackboard etc. I never
saw any teachers or knew what I was being taught. This went on
as a recurring OOBE for several years. This ended when I took my
final examinations seated on a desk with exam papers. I do not
know what was on the exam papers, but I filled them in with pen
To end now. Once I felt so embarrassed as being a middle aged
adult there, I decided to play truant and I took off across the
beautiful park like grounds and headed off into what looked like
a middle class suburb where I woke up back into the physical.
On one of my visits to my deceased mother in the astral, which
by the way took me 2 to 3 years to rescue and retrieve her from
her physical home which she was very attached too, and returned
to after her physical death. My disabled brother still live there. He
and my mother have lived together since his birth. She looked after
him, and him her.
In the astral in one of our visits together, my mother asked me if
I was still attending school. She sorta scolded me for not attending
school. I told her that I had taken my final examinations and my
schooling there was now over. She accepted this. As with other
astral explorers, I don't know what I was being taught, but there
has been a subtle change in me in regards to my OOBE's. Peace. Yuri
Hello Yuri, thank you for posting your experience. I am also older than alot of the other's in my Astral School. I do have a couple of questions to everyone here. #1 is, how do you sleep after your Obe's? My mind tends to go into the phase until I fall asleep. Sometimes it has taken me hours to finally get to sleep. #2 is, do you find having an Obe easier in the morning or at night? My cycle lately has been around 5:00 pm and 2:00 am. I usually go to bed around 3:30-4 am everynight. I have never had an OBE after awakening in the morning ever now. I have tried many times, but have just totally fallen back to sleep. I have tried the wake up, use the bathroom, get a drink, stay up for 10 mins or so then go back to sleep or phase, but no success. I have also for weeks trained myself to keep my eyes closed and not move at all but be aware I am awake method and still no positive results.
These descriptions are kinda interesting to read. I too find my astral travels will often involve a "school" scenario -- but only when I am actively engaged in some type of study on the physical level.
During one group projection I noticed a couple of the females were together, holding hands and having a nice little chat and I heard one say, "I can help you do something with your hair" and sure enough, a couple weeks later the two ladies both showed up at the physical (skype-like) classroom session with new hairdos.
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That made an impression on me.
The 'astral school' genre and setting matches the type of outer study that I am involved with. For example, Rosicrucian study leads to Ivy League type campus style on the astral.
I tend to go with the idea that we translate these lessons into our material life- for example, at some point I was practicing (being taught) how to do tk, but specifically how to bring objects to myself. When I had many of these lessons, I happened to comment about my nonphysical experiences to a local 'psychic' that was visiting at the time (one of these 'right place right time' things) and he mentioned that this represented lessons in manifesting.
The funny thing is that this made perfect sense at the time, but it hadn't occurred to me, as obvious as it is in retrospect.
One of those spirit>matter things, I think.
So far, I have been a lot in school class situations. Almost every night!
However, only in dream (=non-lucid) state. :oops: :-(
Quote from: Lionheart on June 15, 2011, 02:10:28
Hello, first time poster here. I've been reading these threads for along time now, especially intrigued by Frank Kepple. I have been having involuntary OBE's for years without knowing why. A few years ago I had woken in bed paralized as usual, body vibrating intensely. It was then that I finally decided to find out the cause. The internet has been a great teacher. I came across Robert Monroe, Robert Bruce, Frank Kepple, Thomas Cambell and just recently Dr. Steve G. Jones. I am posting to you here because I have been going to what I call Astral School for awhile now. My wife's brother-inlaw passed away a couple of years back, he was an incredible man. Very knowledgable on so many fronts and with a great sense of humor. Well, I had purchased Dr. Steve G. Jones's $180.00 Astral Package and started working through the MP3's, they work very vell by the way, 18 in total. Anyways, when I finally started to project I was met by Charlie , my brother in-law and he has taken me under his wings to say which I am honored by. My first projection was to a classroom, there were desks, blackboards a teacher and many other students of all ages. Behind the blackboard was an enormous tunnel, which I take to be as some sort of Vortex or Portal. I try to project everyday day now, but only for an hour at a time. Usually it takes 30-40 mins to get to that state. My method is Binaural Beats, Breathing and Frank Kepple's noticing. Some of the lessons I havew learned have actually come in the form of challenges. Such as being in a home with no doors or windows, sitting in the middle of the room and having an intense fire burning all around me, with the test being putting it out. This I achieved by sucking the flames into my lungs, thus killing the fire's oxygen, another test was being in a home that was being flooded, in this one I went under the water and visualized a giant cork that I then pulled out releasing all the water. These tests were given to show me that anything and everything in the Astral are possible. Everyday now I focus on entering this zone, which Frank calls the Training Zone. I have been in this school now for 2 months and have written about it everyday in my log book. School is very short though, for as soon as I am given the message of the day, I am informed it is time to go, so I will still remember waht has been said in the physical. This experience has been the most fulfilling thing to ever occur in my life. Have any of you ever experience this, is this normal for all of you to do?
The time spent with Charlie once school is done is priceless. He is usually the one to interrupt the school session to say we are done for now.
This was great to read! Well done! Charlie reminds me of my deceased stepfather whom I've met on numerous occasions in the Phase state. The environments can vary so much. Thanks for sharing this and I am glad you are enjoying yourself. Robert Monroe is the reason why I project today and Kepple's Wider Reality resonates with my experiences. Cool! Well done! 8-)
I just finished an afternoon session. I guess I have passed my school stage for now, since I haven't seen anything recently that resembled my school anymore. I thought I would post my new experience here. This was the most incredible thing I have seen or done in the Astral.
I started my session as normal, just kind of phasing and observing. I imagined seeing beautiful fireworks in the sky, since we are getting close to the 4th of July here in the United States and fireworks are everywhere. I was weird though because due to my ailment I have not gone to see the fireworks live for about 10 or 12 years. They were incredibly vivid. So, I started seeing beautiful colors exploding everywhere, the next thing i knew I was in the middle of a war zone. There were cannons shooting everywhere, bullets flying. I looked over to my right and there was a young man, he was badly wounded and bleeding. I went to him immediately and told him he didn't need to be here. I told him there was a place where there is total peace. I then threw him on my shoulders and flew away. The next thing I know we are in front of this beautiful white building (cathedral like), I walk up a number of steps, but it is tiring. I then remember I can fly, so I fly up to the top of the stairs. There is a platform there, suddenly a number of people converge from inside that building, (I take it they are nurses, they are all dressed in white). They take him off my shoulders and put him on a stretcher, then he is gone.
Now I am not a soldier and do not like war. This man had to be in his early 20's. He was thin, blonde short curly hair. The thing that was really strange was, I could actually feel a tear going down my face in the physical when I saw him lying there against that rock. After this entire scene played out, I went back to the war zone and disabled a couple of tanks by tying their turrets into nice big bows. This whole scene seemed like I had been there for hours. When I came back to the physical I realized I was only gone 1 hour.
I know there is a reason that all of us are waking up to the Astral World now. I don't believe in coincidence. I also know that everyone travels in their sleep. But, I believe the people that have been chosen to do this awake is for a reason a bigger purpose. I am not an incredibly spiritual person, but I do believe everything happens for a reason. Whatever it may be, I am honored to be one with this ability.
The soldier looks like a classical 'retrieval' to me, well done. :-)
(You can find several threads on retrievals here on this forum).
I've done a few 'retrievals' as well. All of mine have been involuntary. Once I arrive at these random places, I feel like helping or comforting these characters that look sad or lost. Real or imagined I don't care. I help them because they might be sentient. Bruce Moen is probably the one who has a better understanding in this field and everything else to do with afterlife studies. You might want to check him out, Lionheart. I think he was a student at the Monroe Institute (correct me if I'm wrong folks).
I've never been a big fan of Moen. His particular method of projection just doesn't "feel right" to me... it's more of a remote viewing using perception more than anything else, and I feel it's too easy to just "make up" stuff.
With his techniques, you don't EXPERIENCE it... you only perceive it, and to me, that's a serious downside. I really wouldn't bother with Moen's stuff, and continue working towards having a good astral experience where you're actually THERE and experiencing it directly.
Quote from: Xanth on July 04, 2011, 09:29:26
With his techniques, you don't EXPERIENCE it... you only perceive it, and to me, that's a serious downside.
Really? This I didn't know. So what is this that he says he doesn't experience but perceives it? What sort of perception...like a feeling inside? That doesn't sound right indeed. This is very much against how Monroe and Kepple described their experiences. They felt like they were some place, saw the characters, felt them, the environments "like the physical on steroids"...I'm baffled about Moen now.
My 'retrievals' happened in realistic ambient setups. The experience emulated the physical with the exception of reality having a crisp look there. It is beyond just "perceiving"...I don't even know exactly what is meant by that...
Quote from: Xanth on July 04, 2011, 09:29:26I've never been a big fan of Moen. His particular method of projection just doesn't "feel right" to me... it's more of a remote viewing using perception more than anything else, and I feel it's too easy to just "make up" stuff. With his techniques, you don't EXPERIENCE it... you only perceive it, and to me, that's a serious downside. I really wouldn't bother with Moen's stuff, and continue working towards having a good astral experience where you're actually THERE and experiencing it directly.
I think, if I remember correctly (read 2 books by him), that Moen did full programs at the TMI where he also had the "normal" OBE/AP/Phasing kind of experiences. He does a lot of descriptions of F27, the higher self and so on, where he did the TMI methods and technology.
In his afterlife work book, however, he indeed describes this method as he uses it now and also thinks it the best fit for people that do not want to use (or just are not able to do) the 'common' methods of inducing obes, etc.
He also claims to have gathered a lot of validations (yeah, that topic again. :roll:) in this way. He seems especially keen on gathering info from the deceased (mostly also the retrieved persons) and checking and verifying it afterwards. He says that it works well, also for many of his students.
I tried the method also once for a few days, but it did not feel (too) 'real' for me, so I stopped it. But maybe I should have tried it more often.
Maybe Pauli can tell us more about this method here, as he says that he uses this 'mind's eye' technique of Moen?
Try this... close your eyes and sit there right now and remember something from your past. Remember it as if you were there... perceive every last detail of that particular memory. The location, the people around you, what you did, how you did it... remember it and relive it as if you were there right now.
What you're effectively doing is PERCEIVING the memory. You don't actually directly experience it... in that you're not ACTUALLY there. You're perceiving the people there, the environment... but that's it.
With a projection, as you well know, you're "THERE" in the experience. It's as real as your life is right now while you read this post. You're able to fully interact with everything on a visually-oriented level, just like a dream. Moen doesn't do this.
I view Moens technique more as a remote viewing kind of thing. While you do have access to the same data/information, I personally don't classify it as a "projection", because you don't directly experience it... you only perceive it. And to me, that limits the interaction by too much. Another problem is I think it suffers from adding too much of your own touch to it... in that, you have a much greater chance of "making it up" as you go along.
Quote from: Volgerle on July 04, 2011, 10:55:53
I think, if I remember correctly (read 2 books by him), that Moen did full programs at the TMI where he also had the "normal" OBE/AP/Phasing kind of experiences. He does a lot of descriptions of F27, the higher self and so on, where he did the TMI methods and technology.
In his afterlife work book, however, he indeed describes this method as he uses it now and also thinks it the best fit for people that do not want to use (or just are not able to do) the 'common' methods of inducing obes, etc.
He also claims to have gathered a lot of validations (yeah, that topic again. :roll:) in this way. He seems especially keen on gathering info from the deceased (mostly also the retrieved persons) and checking and verifying it afterwards. He says that it works well, also for many of his students.
I tried the method also once for a few days, but it did not feel (too) 'real' for me, so I stopped it. But maybe I should have tried it more often.
Maybe Pauli can tell us more about this method here, as he says that he uses this 'mind's eye' technique of Moen?
Yeah, that's the one. I'm sure he's got a lot of validation... as I say, he's also probably very good at it and has had a lot more practice with determining certain aspects of it. But to say that he can't do it... I think he just gave up.
It just seems to me to the "poor mans projection". LoL
EVERYONE can project just fine... I think people just give up and move on to this because it's a lot easier. And I do mean it's EASIER... it's too easy actually. To quit trying to have actual projections where you directly EXPERIENCE it all is just too much, in my opinion, to give up on.
I mean, I can sit here and in a split second do what he does... it's childs play really. I've done a "retrival" before using his particular style and it leaves me with less than can be desired really.
But meh, that's just my personal perspective... I do suggest trying it out for yourself and see. Although, I also suggest NOT giving up on having projections. Use his method as a "filler" of sorts... between projection attempts, something to whet your appetite.
You can actually use his methods to Phase with. Easily. You just need to let go of our surroundings as you do it... and allow your consciousness to get drawn into whatever you're perceiving.
LMAO! :lol:
"Poor man's projection".
I had no idea that the guy wasn't actually projecting. I heard his name being mentioned a lot when it comes to retrievals. It kinda discredits his retrievals and slots them in waking state imagination... :-D
No...that ain't right. You gotta be there and experience it. Like Monroe did. Like Kepple did. Like me, you and others who project no matter what technique you use. You gotta be there (awareness fully focused there to the point where it emulates a physical experience).
Quote from: Summerlander on July 04, 2011, 11:16:17
LMAO! :lol:
"Poor man's projection".
I had no idea that the guy wasn't actually projecting. I heard his name being mentioned a lot when it comes to retrievals. It kinda discredits his retrievals and slots them in waking state imagination... :-D
No...that ain't right. You gotta be there and experience it. Like Monroe did. Like Kepple did. Like me, you and others who project no matter what technique you use. You gotta be there (awareness fully focused there to the point where it emulates a physical experience).
Well, as I said, I assume he did projections at the TMI, so I guess he knows what it is and might even be skilled at it. Maybe he just takes an 'easy route" now. It is his method chosen deliberately. Yes, and so we are happy because we are still the hard-core guys. :-D
I don't want again to overstress this point but he has (or at least claims to have) his validations and so do his clients who learn it in his books and seminars and try it out as well with success.
So maybe it is not projection but rather a kind of hybrid clairvoyant/remote-view-trip? Yes, maybe. But we should not do him injustice to scorn him for that if it really works for him and other people.
I mean, are we talking only about methods or do we also take results into account? If he can do retrievals and visit the astral or afterlife areas by this method, why not accept it for what it is? If it works for him and others, let it be fine.
As I said, it is not my cup'o'tea either, :wink:, but if he gets things validated there must be sth "real" to it, or not?
You're right, Volgerie. If it works for him then so be it. Maybe there are many ways in which one can get in touch with the people on the other side and entering the Phase is only one of them. It's just that the way we do it is so much more "DESCRIPTIVE" or ACTUALIZED it seems. :-D
I am still reading alot of Frank Kepple's posts. I am currently on 1800. He does speak quite a bit about Bruce Moen. My technique has changed quite a bit form what it used to be. I used to constantly try to leave the body. Dr. Steve G. Jones teaches people how to one part at a time leave the body in his narrated walkthroughs. He has a story (basic imagery) that you follow, then they come to the part where you lift your hands, then feet, legs, etc. I have never really liked this because it put me here in the real zone as Frank puts it. I like alot of things will Steve's program such as breathing, relaxing, he also does alot of energy and Kundalini work. I can see that all this just leads to making your mind see the seriousness involved in achieving the OBE. A kind of programming, he even has a CD in package for hypnosis. I don't need to be Hypnotized to know my intent. So, my new technique is I lay down, next 5 or 6 deep breathes, then on to relaxing the body which takes about a minute. I live in constant chronic pain, so I turn that off. Then I just stare into the darkness and wait for the show to start. Sometimes I jump start it by going to my beach scene, then it spirals from there. I do this while listening to an amazing Binaural Beat MP3 for the first 30 mins. Once the 30 mins. is up I am totally gone. I always feel I am there, I experience the sand between my legs in my safe zone and just recently have started building a home just behind my beach scene.
Like I have said before, I really have to thank all of you guys here for your info and imput, your posts here have led me to bliss!
Quote from: Lionheart on July 03, 2011, 20:37:30
I just finished an afternoon session. I guess I have passed my school stage for now, since I haven't seen anything recently that resembled my school anymore. I thought I would post my new experience here. This was the most incredible thing I have seen or done in the Astral.
I started my session as normal, just kind of phasing and observing. I imagined seeing beautiful fireworks in the sky, since we are getting close to the 4th of July here in the United States and fireworks are everywhere. I was weird though because due to my ailment I have not gone to see the fireworks live for about 10 or 12 years. They were incredibly vivid. So, I started seeing beautiful colors exploding everywhere, the next thing i knew I was in the middle of a war zone. There were cannons shooting everywhere, bullets flying. I looked over to my right and there was a young man, he was badly wounded and bleeding. I went to him immediately and told him he didn't need to be here. I told him there was a place where there is total peace. I then threw him on my shoulders and flew away. The next thing I know we are in front of this beautiful white building (cathedral like), I walk up a number of steps, but it is tiring. I then remember I can fly, so I fly up to the top of the stairs. There is a platform there, suddenly a number of people converge from inside that building, (I take it they are nurses, they are all dressed in white). They take him off my shoulders and put him on a stretcher, then he is gone.
Now I am not a soldier and do not like war. This man had to be in his early 20's. He was thin, blonde short curly hair. The thing that was really strange was, I could actually feel a tear going down my face in the physical when I saw him lying there against that rock. After this entire scene played out, I went back to the war zone and disabled a couple of tanks by tying their turrets into nice big bows. This whole scene seemed like I had been there for hours. When I came back to the physical I realized I was only gone 1 hour.
I know there is a reason that all of us are waking up to the Astral World now. I don't believe in coincidence. I also know that everyone travels in their sleep. But, I believe the people that have been chosen to do this awake is for a reason a bigger purpose. I am not an incredibly spiritual person, but I do believe everything happens for a reason. Whatever it may be, I am honored to be one with this ability.
Hello Lionheart. Well done. This is a classic rescue and retrieval. The similarity here for me here is the rescued person on your back, and the beautiful white building(cathedral like). In mine I had a young girl on my back. I could feel her weight but it was not tiring. I ended up taking her to a beautiful white marbled building that had brown streaks in the large marble blocks. I went inside with her into a foyer. Looked like the foyer in a luxurious 5 star hotel. There was a huge shiny brown grand piano with two rows of piano keys and electronic organ like tabs or buttons above the top row of piano keys. It was playing beautiful soft music all by itself right in the middle of this foyer. There was also a large room leading off from the foyer which had a huge raised pond in it. You could sit on the raised edge of the pond and look at the multi-colored fish, like large koi, swimming around in it. Lots of floating leafy plant life too. It was very peaceful and serene in there. There was also very wide marbled steps leading upwards from the foyer into another level. The only people I saw was an elderly couple(man and woman)who looked in their 70's-80's, dressed in casual clothes talking to each other. I assumed they were waiting for somebody who last remembered them like this in the physical. Although they looked old their faces were vibrant and happy. I made a mental call for somebody to come and take this child off my back. I immediately woke up. This rescue and retrieval was as real for me as visiting the museums in London in the 1970's when I was there on a working holiday. Peace. Yuri
Hello again, I just had the most intense Astral Experience yet. I do need to know more about this Focus 23 area though.
My session started at 2 am and ended at 2:40 am. I am going to cut to the chase so I can fit this all in. I started like usual but hit the phase incredibly fast. Charlie (my Guide) was against a wall, I think it was in my home. Anyways he asked where to tonight. I then immediately put a strong intent to go to Focus 23, somewhere I have never been before. Immediately I was in a city at night with flames everywhere. All the homes were ablaze, the buildings, even the trash cans. Fire was everywhere, so were firefighters and fire trucks. I saw this one fireman going up a ladder to a home, he then turned around and went back down, then went up and then down again. This kept going on repeatedly. I walked away form him and approached a burning home, I went in and there was corpses, people running on fire in there. It was incredibly intense. I left that home and turned to Charlie and asked what do I do, he looked at me and said I was just supposed to observe. Well this went on for what seemed like an hour, then I changed my intent to go to the exact opposite of this. Bang, I found myself on a mountain in the ice, climbing up it with a number of other people. Then all of a sudden one by one the people let go of the side of the mountain and fell to what I would probably see as there demise. I once again turned to Charlie and he said just observe. I then said I had enough and went to the calm 3D blackness. I thought I was there for an hour too. Then I canceled the session for the evening.
Could this have been a way of desensitising me? This was incredibly vivid and in my face. I have never studied or really heard other than by reading Frank's posts about this area. I certainly didn't expect this. Is this zone some kind of people's worse hell or something? I wasn't scared at all, I knew the flames weren't going to burn me, I also knew that if I signed up to be an Astral Traveler, that I was signing up for all it entails. The last thing Charlie said to me is were not in Kansas anymore!
Lionheart,
In F 23, each "place" usually only has one discarnate at a time (with some very rare exceptions).
You could try to figure out who is the discarnate and who are the discarnate's thoughtforms,
by talking to people. I think you will soon discover who is who. In fact, the purpose of being
brought to F 23 is to talk and interact with discarnates to help them leave. You may want
to read more about retrievals.
If the "places" you visited had more than one discarnate present at a time, I would consider
it more likely that these "places" where BSTs, perhaps F 24 or F 25 from you description.
BST? Could you elaborate a little more on what that is. I had tried to talk to the fireman on the ladder, but he was in a daze or stupor. He just ignored me and kept going up and down the ladder. When I was on the mountain it was like the same thing, the people were reacting like zombies. They were climbing, then all of a sudden one at a time they let go of the mountain and fell. Does anyone have any links on an indepth explanation of the Focus levels? I have seen alot of generalizing, where they say where you are. I would like to know more about what to expect. Is there any actual studies of these?
Thank you
Hey Lionheart, may I just ask what is the name of the binural beat mp3 you use? Thanks!
Here are some free one's that i use that are very good. The one I am currently using is part of my package from Dr, Steve G. Jones and it is his extended, 1 hour version. But these ones are free
2012, Defragmentation and Alpha to Beta, the artist is Paul Collier of the UK. These Bin Beats are approx. 10-12 mins long, All of these can be found on You Tube.
The next is called Sonic Dreams
Another is from a guy that does a 3 pack, they are Alpha-level 5,Level 2-Track 2 and n-level-7-Track-1
and the last ones are from a guy online named DJ Vishnu, he has an entire series of a different kind of bin beat, you can do a Google search on Meditation Series DJ Vishnu 2010, in it he has 10 free 30 minute Mp3's you can download
Hopefully these help, I use them for the intial stages of my program.
I did find one more that was rather interestng, it was the Dalai Lama at the bedside of a friend who was dying. He was chanting a song to help his friend with his transition to the afterlife, it is called Dalai Lama-Maha Mrityunjaya Mantra, he allowed it to be taped as long as it was never sold for money.
Try these and see what you think. I found most of them on Google or You Tube seaches.
Good Luck!
Quote from: Lionheart on July 05, 2011, 17:25:53
BST? Could you elaborate a little more on what that is. I had tried to talk to the fireman on the ladder, but he was in a daze or stupor. He just ignored me and kept going up and down the ladder. When I was on the mountain it was like the same thing, the people were reacting like zombies. They were climbing, then all of a sudden one at a time they let go of the mountain and fell. Does anyone have any links on an indepth explanation of the Focus levels? I have seen alot of generalizing, where they say where you are. I would like to know more about what to expect. Is there any actual studies of these?
Thank you
Hi Lionheart- permit me to butt in and offer some information- belief system territories are created by the percipient when they pass over, and since they're creating this reality, for some time they are isolated from the 'energetic reality' that is around them- they are consumed by their self-created scenario. It has been reported (by many authors and experiencers, including Yours Truly), that for some time they continue to create them until some unresolved issue is addressed, and at some point they can perceive around them and can then be helped to understand what is happening.
Most retrievals (Moen-style) happen before the deceased 'lands' in the BST, and others after sufficient 'time' has passed after this time of processing.
I've personally done the retrieval (at least two of them) after the deceased did the 'processing' and was able to witness one person going through this process.
I don't know if 'studies' applies as a word (more like documentation of this perception) but many authors have written about this process, Monroe, Moen, Leland and I'm sure others.
Thanks for your info CFTraveler. I see BST stands for Belief System Territories. That was my initial question. Do you find the BST's in all the Focus levels form 22 and on up? I just had another I guess you would call retrieval last night. Where I ended up in a city park I guess it was, there was a gentleman on a park bench playing a guitar. I went over to listen, he kept playing the same song over and over again. I then picked up a guitar and joined him. After awile a couple more I guess they were guides or aides showed up, one had a keyboard, the other a flute. We all kept playing the same song. Then I asked Bob, which was the gentleman's name, if we could change the octave. Well after awhile of that Bob suggested we change the song and poof we were all landing on an island where everyone was clapping, there were multiple bands playing everywhere. All kinds of different music, rock, country, rap, classical. The really strange thing about all of this that really shocked me is I always say my beach, I see an island surrounded by water. Well just today I went to the thread of Astral Island on this site and was amazed to see that it closely resembles my place. My home I am building for some reason is a White Pyramid. I was amazed to see the rendition of Astral Island that the artist for that site came up with. I chose to build a Pyramid shape for my safe place because I really think there is alot of power and energy in Pyramids. Oh, by the way I don't play guitar in real life, so playing there was quite a treat.
Speaking of astral school, I have these reoccurring dreamers where I am in a classroom learning a type of math and physics. I even remember doing one of the equations last night that involved mapping an atom or sun or something. It's the strangest thing to me because I recently graduated college as a International Relations major and really have no grounding in the hard sciences and mathematics.
Anyone else have anything similar going on?
QuoteDo you find the BST's in all the Focus levels form 22 and on up?
Depends on who you ask. I would say that probably from 22 to 27 but someone else may disagree- and I don't care one way or the other, because IMO it's the lucidity of the percipient and/or the deceased what matters.
But that's just how I see it.
Quote from: c0sm0nautt on July 06, 2011, 21:18:23
Speaking of astral school, I have these reoccurring dreamers where I am in a classroom learning a type of math and physics. I even remember doing one of the equations last night that involved mapping an atom or sun or something. It's the strangest thing to me because I recently graduated college as a International Relations major and really have no grounding in the hard sciences and mathematics.
Anyone else have anything similar going on?
Sure Cosmo, I think this is more common than you'd expect.
What do you make of it? Do you think we are learning this stuff on some level of our personality? Perhaps it is the future or other lives bleeding into nightly dreams?
I haven't come up with any specific theory about it, and am separately writing down (not published anywhere yet) how my experiences have changed and how they have followed a 'flow', which shows some sort of structure to them- very similar to how others have described these experiences- however I do think that some of these 'dreamstate lessons/astral schools' sometimes have to do with what is happening in my waking life, and sometimes don't- so it's hard to pin that down.
Quote from: Lionheart on July 06, 2011, 20:41:22
Thanks for your info CFTraveler. I see BST stands for Belief System Territories. That was my initial question. Do you find the BST's in all the Focus levels form 22 and on up? I just had another I guess you would call retrieval last night. Where I ended up in a city park I guess it was, there was a gentleman on a park bench playing a guitar. I went over to listen, he kept playing the same song over and over again. I then picked up a guitar and joined him. After awile a couple more I guess they were guides or aides showed up, one had a keyboard, the other a flute. We all kept playing the same song. Then I asked Bob, which was the gentleman's name, if we could change the octave. Well after awhile of that Bob suggested we change the song and poof we were all landing on an island where everyone was clapping, there were multiple bands playing everywhere. All kinds of different music, rock, country, rap, classical. The really strange thing about all of this that really shocked me is I always say my beach, I see an island surrounded by water. Well just today I went to the thread of Astral Island on this site and was amazed to see that it closely resembles my place. My home I am building for some reason is a White Pyramid. I was amazed to see the rendition of Astral Island that the artist for that site came up with. I chose to build a Pyramid shape for my safe place because I really think there is alot of power and energy in Pyramids. Oh, by the way I don't play guitar in real life, so playing there was quite a treat.
Hello Lionheart. In my reply to your post where you retrieved that person and took him to a beautiful white cathedral like building, and in my retrieval where I had the girl on my back and took her to a beautiful marbled building, and in the full version posted in my groups archives, I went up to that shiny brown grand piano in the foyer area and managed to play a tune on that grand piano. Also in other explorations I have managed to play a guitar, banjo, ukelele as well. I have absolutely no knowledge of music whatsoever except listening to it, yet I was able to play these instruments in the astral! Past lives perhaps? Peace. Yuri
Yuri, in that one Astral Adventure that I had where I delivered the wounded soldier to that white Cathedral looking building I felt like I was not welcomed inside the building just yet. I am only 2 months in to this program of Astral Traveling daily. But, like I said, I had a strong feeling that that is as far as I was allowed to go for now. There were enough Aides or Helpers there to handle it from the ramp anyways. I have a feeling that this was some sort of Hospital or as I have currently read form others, some sort of Rehabilitation Center. It was way bigger than any Hospital I have ever seen.
I am curious what is going to occur next week, my occupation is an Artist/Vendor, we make Handmade Dragon sculptures, we call them Elemental Dragons and have a Scroll for each color. Well anyways, we have a 5 day Music Festival in Northern Minnesota, United States next week. It's somewhat of a Rock Revival, a ton of fun. I am just wondering what happens when I stop my 2 regular sessions of Astral Travel, since there is no way possible that I can do it during that time. Moondance Jam, which is the name of the show,it is an outdoor Music Festival and we sleep in our tent during it at night. It is extremely loud everywhere all the time, partying 24/7, not myself mind you, I need sleep. I have programmed my mind so well that sometimes when I go to go to sleep, I have to shut off the Phase. Actually sleep in general has become a challenge since I have begun this adventure. I have to tell myself that when I go to bed and turn on my side, that thats time to sleep. I used to have it years ago when I played video games, even Tetris, that when I went to sleep I was still playing them over and over again. It used to happen with my work as well, we would do a Renaissance Faire where I would sell our Dragons, then at night when I closed my eyes, I was still selling my Dragons. This became very irritating after awhile.
Quote from: Lionheart on July 07, 2011, 19:41:44
Yuri, in that one Astral Adventure that I had where I delivered the wounded soldier to that white Cathedral looking building I felt like I was not welcomed inside the building just yet. I am only 2 months in to this program of Astral Traveling daily. But, like I said, I had a strong feeling that that is as far as I was allowed to go for now. There were enough Aides or Helpers there to handle it from the ramp anyways. I have a feeling that this was some sort of Hospital or as I have currently read form others, some sort of Rehabilitation Center. It was way bigger than any Hospital I have ever seen.
I am curious what is going to occur next week, my occupation is an Artist/Vendor, we make Handmade Dragon sculptures, we call them Elemental Dragons and have a Scroll for each color. Well anyways, we have a 5 day Music Festival in Northern Minnesota, United States next week. It's somewhat of a Rock Revival, a ton of fun. I am just wondering what happens when I stop my 2 regular sessions of Astral Travel, since there is no way possible that I can do it during that time. Moondance Jam, which is the name of the show,it is an outdoor Music Festival and we sleep in our tent during it at night. It is extremely loud everywhere all the time, partying 24/7, not myself mind you, I need sleep. I have programmed my mind so well that sometimes when I go to go to sleep, I have to shut off the Phase. Actually sleep in general has become a challenge since I have begun this adventure. I have to tell myself that when I go to bed and turn on my side, that thats time to sleep. I used to have it years ago when I played video games, even Tetris, that when I went to sleep I was still playing them over and over again. It used to happen with my work as well, we would do a Renaissance Faire where I would sell our Dragons, then at night when I closed my eyes, I was still selling my Dragons. This became very irritating after awhile.
Hello Lionheart. Interesting how you felt you were not welcomed to enter that astral hospital or rehabilitation center. Here's a tip I use. Just go in, or ask them(astral residents or helpers) if it's OK to enter. Short direct polite 'chat' to astral residents is the way to go. In my experiences astral residents don't like people just rambling on and on with questions and useless conversation. If you are exploring the lower sub-planes in say a mostly negative region, and your inner voice or astral guide tells you not to enter a building or place, then don't! I've entered a building or place just for curiosity sake, and saw vile things and have had negative type astral residents harass and threatened me. Violent and abusive physical beings when they die don't get a white robe and suddenly become spiritual. They go to an astral place where the people there are of a similar disposition as themselves...Hey Lionheart, you seem to have a neat job as an artist making those dragon sculptures and selling them! Peace. Yuri
Thank you Yuri, I think the reason I wasn't supposed to go in there, was because it was time to end the session for the day. I am just starting and I guess I had seen enough during that session. I would love to stay in the Astral for longer, but it gets so hard to remember everything that occured. If you are going to have a journal of your visits, I think that short trips are a requirement, at least in the early stages.
I haven't been back to anything even remotely looking like a Astral school since July 2011. Tonight that changed. I started a Phase session at 7:00 pm, it lasted less than 20 minutes. I had 5 Binaural Beat tunes ready to go, they are about 8-10 minutes long, so I figured that would give me a good 50 minutes or so of music. I was back from my Phase session before the second one was over.
To the Astral School scene. Well it started with 10 minutes of just relaxing, then the 3D darkness kicked in. Suddenly I find myself in a cartoon classroom of sorts. At the front of the class is a red headed woman, that looks just like Wilma Flintstone, from the Flintstones cartoon of old. She then starts to morph into a real woman, the entire scene morphs from cartoon to real life. Now I take a look around the room and see there are a number of other people there as well. Some look like Monks, some are dressed as Arabians and some are dressed like hippies from a flower power scene, the last group looked like some kind of non human entity. They are kind of situated in their own groupings. The teacher is writing something on the chalkboard, I can see smudges, but can't quite make out the writing. So I try to focus deeper, all of a sudden I am about a foot away from the chalkboard looking up at it. I say to myself "Whoa, Whoa, that's way too close. Then I find myself back in my original seat again looking forward. Fade to black.
Now I am sitting on the floor looking up, the cartoon world is back again, so is Wilma, but she's really tall now. She has in her hands a big colorful book. Actually everything is now much bigger, except for us students. We are all the same size. It reminds me of being back in kindergarten where the teacher reads out of a book at story time. Then the scene morphs back into the real life scene, no longer a cartoon world. She then tells us to close our eyes and starts to read. Her opening words are "Once upon a time there a little boy who was approaching a giant forest. While she was reading the story, I could see the actual visuals just like she was leading me through the trees in her story. Unfortunately my brain kicked in and started to figure out what was happening here. That's all it took to destroy the entire thing. First off, I have never seen myself closing my eyes when Phasing. So I was Phasing, then I closed my eyes and it looked like I Phased again, because the entire time she was speaking I still felt like I was sitting there on the floor in the classroom and yet I had full visuals of the scene she was describing from the book. I don't know if you call this double consciousness or what. But, whatever it was it was mindblowing. The entire concept knocked me back to my physical awareness. It doesn't sound like much when I say it, but to live it was a completely different thing.
Have any of you guys ever experienced anything similar to this? I would love to hear about it.
Thank you! :-)