another one

[Leyla]

My OBEs/APs are more and more frequent. I used to post all of my experiences...but from now on I think I'll just post the most interesting ones.

This time it was an ordinary man, out of his body, claimed to do some kind of gothic artwork and run a business, wanted to show me how he made his money. I was annoyed at his unwanted intrusion, wasn't interested in what he had to say, and told him to leave.

He did not want to leave.

Some woman also appeared. I assume his wife or girlfriend.

(boring.)

[Leannain]

aha i wouldnt mind to have a boring ap experience.its better than none

[Leyla]

awww, you'll get there.

[Jo'ogn]

facinating, I call that "the boredom of success" *hahaha*

[Leyla]

Geez- yet again. This one was a bit more interesting.

I was overwhelmed by an entity I belive to be a human that came out and had an intense desire to protect me. Why, I don't know. Who it was, I also don't know.

[The Present Moment]

My OBEs/APs are more and more frequent. I used to post all of my experiences...but from now on I think I'll just post the most interesting ones.

Have you tried getting to PF3 or PF4?

[Leyla]

You know, I never figured out what all those number and letter codes where good for.

[NickJW]

she would rather stick with her 7 planes of existence that no one has ever gotten to anyways, just part of a phony mystic beliefe system.

[James S]

she would rather stick with her 7 planes of existence that no one has ever gotten to anyways, just part of a phony mystic beliefe system.

Ok smartarse,

You like science and proof so much, Prove Leyla's "mystic belief system" is phony!

I want real scientific proof, both proving that it is phony, and also proving that it could not be real, to show that you are eliminating confirmational bias - just as a proper scientific lab test would require.

I wan't your own proof, not something you've read from someone else's book or web site, not conjecture that can't be substantiated!

Go for it!
Do this and we might think of you as something more than just an arrogant little twit who has no tolerance for the beliefs of others.

James.

[NickJW]

you of course already know that anything AP related can't be scientifically proven or disproven.
no one has ever made it to Adi or Anupadaka. Why would they be real?
The astral aren't so organized, if 7 astral planes is all you believe than thats all you will get.
There is no reason to believe in this traditional style just invented by writers with no personal knowledge or experience behind it.

james, are you that frustrated in me constantly proving your beliefs wrong that you would resort to insults? What happened to faith is enough for your beliefs? You shouldn't be getting angry at all.

[James S]

james, are you that frustrated in me constantly proving your beliefs wrong that you would resort to insults? What happened to faith is enough for your beliefs?. You shouldn't be getting angry at all.

No.
My beliefs are not on trial.
And I'm not angry, I'm fed up!

I'm fed up with arrogant know-alls coming here and rubishing of the beliefs of others without a shred of real evidence or even experience to support their opinions.

You've not provided proof of anything. You're just mouthing off!

That's my whole point.
Put up or shut up!

Until you can actually provide fully substantiated proof that the beliefs of another person on this forum are completely wrong and that yours are right, then stop putting them down just because you think they're wrong.

It's that simple.