Beeing GRABBED

[jc84corvette]

You say a HOOK? Did it like stab you?

[Frère]

no it just grabbed me like if it was annoyed (I had just lost an astral vision that was upcomming (that's the second time today that I loose one stupidly))
It felt like something made of metal, like a three fingered robot hand, but it was not sharp... what schocked me was that it seemed really violently ticked, and usually my sensations are very slooow and gentle... this time I did not recognise the beings I imagine when I feel like someone is touching me.

[beavis]

If you dont want the hook, it would be very useful to me!

If I'm just sitting around, not driving or doing something important, I give my permission to pull me out at any time. I'll take what I can get.

[Frère]

Fine beavis I'll pass the message on.
I'd rather get something smoother!

[beavis]

Maybe it was "violently ticked" because it was trying to take you very high in astral and you wanted to go but couldnt. Do your normal "very slooow and gentle" exits take you to low astral?

[Frère]

they take me to RTZ
The one I had from dream was to some astral place, but I shortly fell into something black and gloomy until the "friends" started to take me out, but when I got out from the dream, it was a real fast exit.

What disturbs me is that even if he helped me exit, my Protector would never feel ticked, because he always succeeds in what he undertakes. from the dream I'm sure he's worked on it, so that's the proof he can be fast without being violent.

The ticked one ressembles more of me: I'm often ticked when people don't beleive in OBE, and I sometimes try to convice them, which is trying to force them... I know it's wrong, but now I feel it stronger!

[beavis]

If you want to convince people of OBE, try talking to their subconscious/spirit instead of body because most peoples' bodies are ignorant of the subject and closed minded.

[Frère]

Sure thats an idea, but my problem is that I set my mind in such a way that the person and I are just not in tune, see? it's like hitting your head on the wall instead of taking the door. It's my own unconscious mind that has great difficulties in listening to people, see? By the way that's my idea of evil: hitting your head against a wall instead of opening the door. Usually it hurts.

[beavis]

Of course you're not in tune and dont want to listen to the ignorant closed minded people. You know too much.

[Frère]

Well sometimes these people are people I apreciate...

[jilola]

quote:, because he always succeeds in what he undertakes

They do until you learn enough  of yourself and the astral to be able to decide for yourself. Perhaps the hook was your helper/guide trying to show you something of great importance and felt frustrated that you declined and clearly didn't understand or hear what he was trying to tell you.
The may be guides but they are still souls like us []

2cents & L&L
jouni

[Frère]

Well What people call the "higher self" is surely not like us, I'm sure they are somehow much more related with God... And I'm also sure that even if I was missing something important, he would have taken in account that I was not ready yet. So maybe it's some other kind of rude person interested in the role I could play around.

[Frère]

I was having a nap, and some solid and probably invisible hook grabbed my shoulder trying to pull me out, but it seems somehow it realised I will not progress in the OBE being forced, it stopped.
The sensation felt really physical... Sometimes I really wonder how far entities could go in influencing my sens of touch... it seems they don't have actual limit, if my protector or/and I don't give them some.

I will ask my guide WHO this was, but I'm very unsure of getting an answer easily, for the answer might be a little complicated... anyway, I don't expect to find out much more about that event, so this is free for you to comment