dreaming about obe

[oneironaught]

i had an interesting dream last night. in this dream i was repeatedly projecting out of my body, i was clearly in some sort of a dream scape as there was a fictional story line going on, but the experience was none the less pretty damn cool. i remember flying down to the earth's surface from the stratosphere as fast as possible, and flying around these vast cities propped up on angular slabs that would rotate and revolve around eachother to form patterns are create gravity

similar experiences of dreaming about obes?

[Xanth]

Dreaming of OBEs... so, you were "dreaming" that you were out of body...

I don't believe one can "dream" of OBEing because saying OBE denotes some form of awareness where you *know* you're in the non-physical and your awareness is fully (or close to) awake.  So, with that said, it was just normal dream because you were just going along with the dream imagey...

It would have been a Lucid dream had you KNEW, at the time, that you were actually just dreaming... OR
It would have been an OBE had you had your full waking consciousness (or close to full) during the experience.

Get what I mean?
I apologize if I sound confusing.

[WASD]

Well you can dream about dreaming. In the same way you can dream about OBEs. I dreamed about OBEs a while ago when i tried to convert LD's into OBE's but it didnt go very well so I left it behind and did other things in LDs. Even some ND's at that time were about OBE's.

[Xanth]

Even if you're "dreaming" of "dreaming"... in the end, you're still just in the non-physical with a dream awareness.

Dreaming of an obe doesn't work, because you're either DREAMING, in which case you don't know you're dreaming... or you're having an OBE, in which case you DO know you're dreaming.
So the combination of the two just doesn't jive.

[Jarrod]

I've dreamed about leaving my body before too.  It's annoying because it's completely useless.  I have a tad bit more awareness than usual but still don't realize that I was in fact dreaming before I attempted and succeeded to project...in the dream...That's complicated to think about.  Haha.  kind of like a multiple layered Matrix thing going on, like I knew that I was dreaming within the dream but wasn't aware of my larger reality in the real world.  I'm gonna stop there because my head is starting to hurt and I'm about to arrive at the conclusion that we're all just dreaming anyway and enlightenment is like dreaming about astral projecting and then realizing that you were in a dream to begin with...but on the next level up.

[WASD]

Even if you're "dreaming" of "dreaming"... in the end, you're still just in the non-physical with a dream awareness.

Dreaming of an obe doesn't work, because you're either DREAMING, in which case you don't know you're dreaming... or you're having an OBE, in which case you DO know you're dreaming.
So the combination of the two just doesn't jive.

I've dreamed about OBEs so i think i know exactly what oneironaught is talking about. Perhaps "dreaming about OBEs" isn't the best way to explain it to you. In a ND i had i was simply flying outside my house and believed it was an OBE. Does that makes sense to you? I didn't actually have an OBE within my dream, but just believed it to be, therefore it was. Or something like that Dreaming about something without actually dreaming about it. But since belief and expectation manifests in dreams, you do dream about it.
I disagree that having an OBE includes you know that you are dreaming. Perhaps having a "real" OBE includes that you are aware that you are dreaming, but you can still dream about the unconsciously. I've been dreaming a lot about flying long before i heard about lucid dreams.

Also "dreaming about OBEs" doesn't necessarily mean you had an OBE within the dream. Just as you can dream about apples without being an apple.

[Xanth]

I've dreamed about OBEs so i think i know exactly what oneironaught is talking about. Perhaps "dreaming about OBEs" isn't the best way to explain it to you.

Yes, pesky terminology. 

In a ND i had i was simply flying outside my house and believed it was an OBE. Does that makes sense to you? I didn't actually have an OBE within my dream, but just believed it to be, therefore it was. Or something like that Dreaming about something without actually dreaming about it. But since belief and expectation manifests in dreams, you do dream about it.

Actually, I'd say, without a doubt, that *WAS* an OBE.   A full, honest to goodness, out of body experience.

I disagree that having an OBE includes you know that you are dreaming. Perhaps having a "real" OBE includes that you are aware that you are dreaming, but you can still dream about the unconsciously. I've been dreaming a lot about flying long before i heard about lucid dreams.

It all comes from understanding what each of these 'experiences' are.
They're not separate experiences.  They're all one in the same thing.

Dreams..
Lucid Dreams..
Astral Projections..
Out of body experiences..

They're all *the same* thing that take place in *the same* area of consciousness.
This is the entire point I've been expounding upon for the past 5 months. 

Also "dreaming about OBEs" doesn't necessarily mean you had an OBE within the dream.

In my opinion... by definition, it does.

Lemme put it this way.  It's all in how human beings have completely misunderstood what the 'dream' is.
They're not some random interplay of images and scenes that play out while we're asleep.  They are us after we have moved our consciousness to some place that isn't this physical reality.  I'd actually go as far as saying that what we humans recognize collectively as "dreams" simply do not exist...
Dreams DO NOT exist and they're definitely not what we think they are.

[WASD]

I agree that they're all the same but with different levels of focus. But they can still involve one another. I recently had a ND where i was listening to a radio talking about LDs. That doesn't mean that ND was an LD.

Let's just say that the nightly experience, whatever it was, involved an OBE. It felt like a dream and i was not lucid so i call it an ND, about an OBE.

I've had one OBE, and from that single experience i define OBE. And my dream about an OBE was completely different from what i consider the real OBE i had. I'm sure your definition of OBE comes from your experiences just as me. So what an OBE actually is is up to each of us to figure out

[Xanth]

I agree that they're all the same but with different levels of focus. But they can still involve one another. I recently had a ND where i was listening to a radio talking about LDs. That doesn't mean that ND was an LD.

Indeed!
There's a difference between "talking about" an OBE in a dream... and "having" an OBE in a dream. 

Let's just say that the nightly experience, whatever it was, involved an OBE. It felt like a dream and i was not lucid so i call it an ND, about an OBE.

You're right, and it would entirely depend on what subject and context the OBE took in the, supposed dream.

I've had one OBE, and from that single experience i define OBE. And my dream about an OBE was completely different from what i consider the real OBE i had. I'm sure your definition of OBE comes from your experiences just as me. So what an OBE actually is is up to each of us to figure out

I'll just say... yes and no and leave it at that for now.