Hello everyone! ive recently began looking into astral projection the past 2 months pretty hard, and ive tried on several occasions to do so. But on the other note, the time i picked up astral projecting, i was looking into lucid dreaming as well. After reading a book for lucid dreaming; and researched the astral body ive gotten myself very confused.
In the book Lucid Dreaming A Gateway To The Inner Self, the author has a section comparing and dis-comparing lucid and OBE experiences. But then he goes into saying he to has had a few OBE experiences where he was flying around his neighborhood and saw actual people, thus leading me to think he is on the RTZ(Real Time Zone) field?
In conclusion ive had about 5 lucid dreams the past month, or maybe astral projections. Because everytime i think im lucid dreaming im only in my area of where i fell asleep at the night before. So am i astral projecting and just forgetting about it and thats why im there everytime? So the question is, if you astral project and get out of your body, is it the same concept of lucid dreaming and doing what you want. On nights ive specifically practiced trying to astral project, ive fallen asleep but to find myself in a lucid dream?
Whoever helps, or reads this it would be GREATLY appreciated.
thank you
If you've read anything that I've written, you'll know my answer. ;)
Yes...
Astral Projection is the same thing as Lucid Dreaming (which is also the same as Dreaming).
Basically, as long as you have the awareness, you can do whatever you want. Yes. :)
i don't understand, their the same? So if you astral project successfully you see yourself come out of your body, did i just not remember this? And I thought there were multiple astral
"realms"
I think you should read around here a bit.
See if you can figure out some stuff for yourself.
Use the forum search feature... it's great for finding likeminded posts. :)
Quote from: Xanth on October 29, 2010, 17:43:20
I think you should read around here a bit.
See if you can figure out some stuff for yourself.
Use the forum search feature... it's great for finding likeminded posts. :)
So reading a book wasnt enough, and using only the top websites to research about either for this? my entire experiment with either is completely put on hold because of this, and your saying i should just try and search for the answer? i dont agree with what your saying. not like i already havent tried looking, there is no specific answer for this using the search button.
I just really want to know whats going on the past 4 or 5 times this has happend to me, am i astral projecting? or lucid dreaming. Like do you astral project then slip into a dream, then you can become lucid again thus being a lucid dream?
here's what he's saying:
your experiences on the "nonphysical" are all the same experience from different perspectives.
so, a dream is where you have little to no control and most likely no awareness of yourself.
a lucid dream is the next level of conscious awareness. in a lucid dream you become aware of the dream and can interact and even have some level of control. I like to call lucid dreaming, "content awareness" because you're usually aware of the dream but you don't remember that you have a physical body that is still lying on your bed.
astral projection is then full awareness. in astral projection you have what I call "contextual awareness" because you remember that you have a physical body and you can move beyond the content of the dream (i.e. you can do whatever you want).
you are really the only one who can decide what your experience was because of the subjective nature of the experience. but either way, you're viewing the same "place" in each of these experiences, you're just shifting your perspective, becoming a different version of yourself each time. all forms of psychic vision are giving you a glimpse of what people call "the astral". remote viewing, shamanic journeying, pathworking, dreaming, lucid dreaming, astral projection, clairvoyance, etc., all are forms of projecting your awareness into the astral to explore and gather information.
Quote from: personalreality on October 31, 2010, 08:14:51
here's what he's saying:
your experiences on the "nonphysical" are all the same experience from different perspectives.
so, a dream is where you have little to no control and most likely no awareness of yourself.
a lucid dream is the next level of conscious awareness. in a lucid dream you become aware of the dream and can interact and even have some level of control. I like to call lucid dreaming, "content awareness" because you're usually aware of the dream but you don't remember that you have a physical body that is still lying on your bed.
astral projection is then full awareness. in astral projection you have what I call "contextual awareness" because you remember that you have a physical body and you can move beyond the content of the dream (i.e. you can do whatever you want).
you are really the only one who can decide what your experience was because of the subjective nature of the experience. but either way, you're viewing the same "place" in each of these experiences, you're just shifting your perspective, becoming a different version of yourself each time. all forms of psychic vision are giving you a glimpse of what people call "the astral". remote viewing, shamanic journeying, pathworking, dreaming, lucid dreaming, astral projection, clairvoyance, etc., all are forms of projecting your awareness into the astral to explore and gather information.
I see, that was a lot of good information and im begining to see it a bit more clear now.
So pretty much all "leaving the body" techniques is a way to have complete awareness of whats going on around? and a lucid dream is after you left your body but you just dont remember it. Because im also posting on a Lucid Dreaming forum and this was a response i got, someone care to explain?
"Do you believe your spirit is leaving your body? If so, this isn't the right forum to be asking these questions on. This forum is about lucid dreaming, not the supernatural.
If you don't believe your spirit is leaving your body then do you believe your mind is playing tricks on you or that it's just a dream? If so, I've read plenty about that happening in lucid dreams; especially when trying to WILD. It doesn't matter where it happens or how it happens. If it happens and you're lucid then it's a lucid dream. If it happens and you're not lucid then you're just having a dream. "
Why does this person say this?
Quote from: NickisDank on October 31, 2010, 14:28:10
I see, that was a lot of good information and im begining to see it a bit more clear now.
So pretty much all "leaving the body" techniques is a way to have complete awareness of whats going on around? and a lucid dream is after you left your body but you just dont remember it. Because im also posting on a Lucid Dreaming forum and this was a response i got, someone care to explain?
http://unlimitedboundaries.ca/2010/08/31/dreams-lucid-dreams-and-astral-projections%E2%80%A6-what%E2%80%99s-the-difference/
Give that a read, see what you think.
Also, this article I wrote regarding what I believe dreams are: http://unlimitedboundaries.ca/2010/10/29/what-are-dreams/
Quote"Do you believe your spirit is leaving your body? If so, this isn't the right forum to be asking these questions on. This forum is about lucid dreaming, not the supernatural.
If you don't believe your spirit is leaving your body then do you believe your mind is playing tricks on you or that it's just a dream? If so, I've read plenty about that happening in lucid dreams; especially when trying to WILD. It doesn't matter where it happens or how it happens. If it happens and you're lucid then it's a lucid dream. If it happens and you're not lucid then you're just having a dream. "
Why does this person say this?
That person says that because they're very closed minded. They're not willing to open their mind to the possibilities.
I'd highly suggest sticking with us.
Lemme guess, that other forum was... dreammoods.com?
Quote from: Xanth on October 31, 2010, 14:45:13
http://unlimitedboundaries.ca/2010/08/31/dreams-lucid-dreams-and-astral-projections%E2%80%A6-what%E2%80%99s-the-difference/
Give that a read, see what you think.
Also, this article I wrote regarding what I believe dreams are: http://unlimitedboundaries.ca/2010/10/29/what-are-dreams/
That person says that because they're very closed minded. They're not willing to open their mind to the possibilities.
I'd highly suggest sticking with us.
Lemme guess, that other forum was... dreammoods.com?
I just read that site you linked me, and im getting the conept better. The site where that person told me that Astral Projection was a myth, it was from DreamViews, and im not getting much help there other than people saying their confused.
Can you answer my next question then, what should i try doing? Should i keep trying to do the astral projection techniques for leaving the body, or should i simply just before i go to bed do reality checks and prompting myself in my head "when i see my hands tonight, i know ill be dreaming" thus trying to induce a lucid dream right?
Quote from: NickisDank on October 31, 2010, 15:10:49
I just read that site you linked me, and im getting the conept better. The site where that person told me that Astral Projection was a myth, it was from DreamViews, and im not getting much help there other than people saying their confused.
Dreamviews... yes, sorry that's the one I meant. lol
Yeah, a few of our members have had less then great experiences from the folks over there.
I generally suggest people to stay away from that particular forum.
QuoteCan you answer my next question then, what should i try doing? Should i keep trying to do the astral projection techniques for leaving the body, or should i simply just before i go to bed do reality checks and prompting myself in my head "when i see my hands tonight, i know ill be dreaming" thus trying to induce a lucid dream right?
Well, reality checks are something you must do on a consistent ongoing basis throughout your day. The point to doing them is to make it so that they're done without thinking... this will carry over into your dreams, which will cause you to become lucid. Once lucid you can go full astral if you want.
But for the most part, yes. :) Just keep doing what you're doing.
So do both pretty much? And appreciate it so much with everyone helping me and you, and I'm not returning to that site anymore haha. And practicing the OBE technique makes me
Fully lucid automatically right, that's the difference?
And are false awakenings you projecting correctly, it's just close minded individuals think they happen just due to lucid dreaming?
I wanna clarify that the designations I made are loose at best. they are based on subjective interpretations of an experience. in truth it it more like an infinite consciousness continuum containing any state of mind you could possibly be in. every moment of every day your consciousness shifts back and forth along the continuum to different states of conscious awareness, though our perception has become habituated to focusing in certain areas (like physical reality and related phenomena).
Here's the thing, and it's a problem I had at one point too. We read books, we visit websites, and we seek advice from other people; but they can't tell us what we are experiencing, because in the end, only you can tell yourself what your experiences mean.
From what I know, and don't take my word, but the two are linked at least when I do it. I use a wake initiated lucid dream to project. My dreams are random, and I have had one lucid dream and that was when I was dreaming and "caught myself". In a lucid dream you have pretty much complete control over your environment, the places I project to is where I don't have complete control. I can't clap my hands and command the people I see to dance or anything like that.
Look for a place where there are boundaries, where people are their own.
Quote from: NickisDank on October 31, 2010, 21:24:55
So do both pretty much? And appreciate it so much with everyone helping me and you, and I'm not returning to that site anymore haha. And practicing the OBE technique makes me
Fully lucid automatically right, that's the difference?
And are false awakenings you projecting correctly, it's just close minded individuals think they happen just due to lucid dreaming?
Xanth, So then what are the answers for this?
Quote from: xp5000 on October 31, 2010, 21:53:38
Here's the thing, and it's a problem I had at one point too. We read books, we visit websites, and we seek advice from other people; but they can't tell us what we are experiencing, because in the end, only you can tell yourself what your experiences mean.
From what I know, and don't take my word, but the two are linked at least when I do it. I use a wake initiated lucid dream to project. My dreams are random, and I have had one lucid dream and that was when I was dreaming and "caught myself". In a lucid dream you have pretty much complete control over your environment, the places I project to is where I don't have complete control. I can't clap my hands and command the people I see to dance or anything like that.
Look for a place where there are boundaries, where people are their own.
So you say you "project" but then everythings random? And your not aware of what's going on then you become lucid? If you project correctly you'd be aware that you are though right..
hey Nickis danky dank, I hope this helps a little, and remember EVERYTHING said here is essentially about a subjective experience, and based on how we each THINK things are, not KNOW.
Quote from: NickisDank on October 31, 2010, 21:24:55
And are false awakenings you projecting correctly, it's just close minded individuals think they happen just due to lucid dreaming?
My take is that a false awakening is just like any other dream, though your subconscious has you in your room/house or wherever, so that you think you've actually woken up. Like PR (personalreality, if he doesn't mind being called that :-P) said,essentially projecting/phasing or whatever you want to call it is a dream, and a dream is projecting, only unaware of it. It all comes down to level of consciousness. For example, a regular dream could be, very crudely, compared to sleepwalking or something on the physical, where your subconscious is running everything.
Also, there is no way to project incorrectly, it's all a matter of finding the combination that works for you, whether entering from a dream or a conscious exit, whichever gets you better results and which you feel comfortable with.
I say snoop around the site a bit, look through some old threads if you're not sure what to search for and read what interests you. This forum is jam packed with great info.
PS. Xanth's a very smart hombre, I'm sure he'll be able to answer your questions better than I can.
~Peace
Quote from: NickisDank on October 31, 2010, 22:54:55
Xanth, So then what are the answers for this?
What are False Awakenings?
For all intents and purposes they're regular dreams... with one MAJOR difference: You think you're physically awake. :)
You're in the non-physical though.
As I've been saying lately... I don't like saying that you're "in a dream" or you're "in a lucid dream"... as I don't believe these are things you DO. Instead, I believe these are states that you ARE.
Ok so final clarification, doing the OB is the same as you becoming lucid in a dream, it's just you fully project and have all awareness. And theres multiple states you can become in
I wouldn't worry so much about what they are. Just use the techniques you learn to try and do it.
However you see the "nonphysical" is how you see it, and I don't think you or anyone else can give an objective definition for what these experiences are. So, in the end, all that matters is your subjective experience and what you take away from it. This is a process whereby you release your imagination through creation (creativity) and learn more about the depths of your being and its relationship with reality. This makes astral projection (and it's many different forms and labels) a highly personal adventure that doesn't necessarily reflect objectivity.
Have fun exploring and keep that child like awe and belief in what you're doing.
Regardless id like to know which one to practice, I dont just want to wonder about which one to do laying in bed, it makes me confused about the whole situation and experience, making it harder to do so in the end as well.
It doesn't really matter how you do it. Just pick a technique and try.
Quote from: personalreality on November 01, 2010, 21:14:52
It doesn't really matter how you do it. Just pick a technique and try.
I like this answer, thank you greatly
Quote from: NickisDank on November 02, 2010, 03:38:12
I like this answer, thank you greatly
It's all very individualistic.
What works for one person isn't necessarily going to work for you.
So as PR said... just pick one and try it for a couple weeks. If you get no results, try something else. :)
Quote from: Xanth on November 02, 2010, 09:21:23
It's all very individualistic.
What works for one person isn't necessarily going to work for you.
So as PR said... just pick one and try it for a couple weeks. If you get no results, try something else. :)
Ok, ill be sure to keep everyone updated, because im definitely trying to get this down.
It was really confusing talking to people that didnt have an open-mind set and dont see beyond just dreaming, or becoming aware in the dream on that other site. It was making me ask my questions differently and everything so i just wanted to say thanks for helping me everyone
what other site?
dreamviewers?
cause they suck. lol.
Quote from: personalreality on November 02, 2010, 13:58:03
what other site?
dreamviewers?
cause they suck. lol.
Ya I was getting the worst answers over there.
This thread helped me out a lot! I suppose I'm always trying to objectify my experiences. I believe that we are all a part of one Unitary consciousness, so perhaps these experience are so subjective because that is the only way they can be. Does that make sense? It's like we are given the opportunity to rediscover our true nature through the game of life. What do you guys think?
How about guides? I had an experience where I asked to see my spirit guide and all of a sudden an array of White butterfly's flew around me and two landed on my finger. The experience left me in awe when I awoke. Do such beings have any autonomy?
I just received an email from the owner of http://astralprojectnow.com/, Abhi. And he gave me this statement asking this before hand.
I stated "So out of everything you have covered, can you please tell me ifAstral projecting and lucid dreaming are the same, it's just different levels of awareness."
he said back
"AP and LD are not the same. LD happens within our minds and seems very real. But AP is actually real and happens on the Astral plane. During most LDs, you are already out of your body, but you are not aware of it yet. And that is the reason it is so easy to induce an AP from an LD"
This got me back to confusion. I said i dont understand, i thought the difference was just levels of awareness, in which when your lucid dreaming and you become aware its different from astral projecting and having the full awareness. Which is the only thing that differs the two.
Quote from: NickisDank on November 04, 2010, 13:56:08
I just received an email from the owner of http://astralprojectnow.com/, Abhi. And he gave me this statement asking this before hand.
I stated "So out of everything you have covered, can you please tell me ifAstral projecting and lucid dreaming are the same, it's just different levels of awareness."
he said back
"AP and LD are not the same. LD happens within our minds and seems very real. But AP is actually real and happens on the Astral plane. During most LDs, you are already out of your body, but you are not aware of it yet. And that is the reason it is so easy to induce an AP from an LD"
This got me back to confusion. I said i dont understand, i thought the difference was just levels of awareness, in which when your lucid dreaming and you become aware its different from astral projecting and having the full awareness. Which is the only thing that differs the two.
I feel it's that level of conscious awareness that most people misinterpret when they try to define their experiences, just as this gentleman has done. He's misinterpreting the two states as one being "in the mind" and the other being "in the astral". I can TOTALLY understand how someone would do that... especially when people are trying to explain this condition by EXTERNALIZING it.
I stand by my opinion 100% in saying that Lucid Dreams and Astral Projections are the same thing and what differentiates them is how consciously aware you are DURING them. They are states of mind that you ARE, not something you DO.
In any case, understanding what they are is secondary to actually experiencing them personally. So just get out there and have the experiences... that's more important.
Quote from: Xanth on November 04, 2010, 14:09:38
I feel it's that level of conscious awareness that most people misinterpret when they try to define their experiences, just as this gentleman has done. He's misinterpreting the two states as one being "in the mind" and the other being "in the astral". I can TOTALLY understand how someone would do that... especially when people are trying to explain this condition by EXTERNALIZING it.
I stand by my opinion 100% in saying that Lucid Dreams and Astral Projections are the same thing and what differentiates them is how consciously aware you are DURING them. They are states of mind that you ARE, not something you DO.
In any case, understanding what they are is secondary to actually experiencing them personally. So just get out there and have the experiences... that's more important.
Ok, because i feel the exact same way. Its just he got me confused because he said that your out of your body in both of them but then ones in your mind? lol i just didnt get it at all
And I have another question, everytime you project let's say, at your house in your bed. Every astral experience starts there. Pretty much you can't project and then totally be somewhere away from your room. Right?
Sometimes you can. That's what phasing is all about. Remember what entanglement is? Your energy body can be compared to the concept- you can perceive "here" and "there" at the same time, so the exit can be to your room or somewhere else. Only "somewhere else" may not be 'local', it can also be 'nonlocal' or 'supralocal'- depending on what your conscious awareness tunes into.
Ive been reading back on a few posts and i should of worded some of my questions better.
But so anytime your dreaming are you on the astral but just not aware? its not till you project or have a lucid dream till you know your on the astral.
And another question, when your doing the Float Up technique to leave your body, do you imagine yourself getting closer to your ceiling or do you just imagine yourself floating out slowly in third person?
Quote from: NickisDank on November 09, 2010, 13:00:50
Ive been reading back on a few posts and i should of worded some of my questions better.
But so anytime your dreaming are you on the astral but just not aware?
That's my opinion, yes.
I prefer using the word "non-physical" though... you're in the non-physical, but are unaware of that.
QuoteAnd another question, when your doing the Float Up technique to leave your body, do you imagine yourself getting closer to your ceiling or do you just imagine yourself floating out slowly in third person?
Whichever works best for you. All of those scenarios should be fine... I'm sure someone else will correct me otherwise. :)
Quote from: Xanth on November 09, 2010, 13:40:59
That's my opinion, yes.
I prefer using the word "non-physical" though... you're in the non-physical, but are unaware of that.
Whichever works best for you. All of those scenarios should be fine... I'm sure someone else will correct me otherwise. :)
edt
Right now?
Mostly just fly around... omg, I love flying. :)
Quote from: Xanth on November 09, 2010, 16:50:04
Right now?
Mostly just fly around... omg, I love flying. :)
hahahah nvm i typed that wrong lol
i meant WHAT do you do to project
Quote from: NickisDank on November 09, 2010, 18:34:13
hahahah nvm i typed that wrong lol
i meant WHAT do you do to project
I convert my lucid dreams into astral projections.
I'm still working on conscious exits through Phasing (mental rundown method)... I just don't get anytime to practice.
That's why I've been working on increasing the frequency of my lucid dreams instead.
QuoteAnd another question, when your doing the Float Up technique to leave your body, do you imagine yourself getting closer to your ceiling or do you just imagine yourself floating out slowly in third person?
Neither. Have you ever been on an elevator, or a hot air balloon, or floated up from the bottom of a pool to the surface? Recreate the feeling, don't imagine anything happening outside of yourself.
Quote from: CFTraveler on November 09, 2010, 21:07:49
Neither. Have you ever been on an elevator, or a hot air balloon, or floated up from the bottom of a pool to the surface? Recreate the feeling, don't imagine anything happening outside of yourself.
So am I mentally trying to picture something, or just feel like
I'm doing it
Quote from: CFTraveler on November 09, 2010, 21:07:49
Neither. Have you ever been on an elevator, or a hot air balloon, or floated up from the bottom of a pool to the surface? Recreate the feeling, don't imagine anything happening outside of yourself.
These are great analogies!!! I mean, floating feels exactly like you'd expect. Floating.
NID: I don't think I can explain it any better than what CF did. You recreate the feeling of floating up. OH wait.. something just popped into my head. I don't know if anyone on here has done this but when I was a kid we used to have this thing where you would stand inside a door frame and stretch each arm out, and flattened the back of each hand on the door frame. You push with all your might and hold that for a good thirty seconds or more and then drop your arms back down to your side. If you've done this correct both of your arms will slowly rise up on their own accord. It's a really cool feeling, a floating feeling. :-D Try this NID and imagine that feeling on your whole body next time you try for an exit.
Hope that helps you. :-)
Quote from: NickisDank on November 09, 2010, 21:35:29
So am I mentally trying to picture something, or just feel like I'm doing it
Feel like you're doing it.
If you have to, ride in an elevator a few times and MEMORIZE every sensation, every feeling that occurs.
Then duplicate those feelings and sensations when you practice.
Quote from: Naykid on November 10, 2010, 07:45:53
These are great analogies!!! I mean, floating feels exactly like you'd expect. Floating.
NID: I don't think I can explain it any better than what CF did. You recreate the feeling of floating up. OH wait.. something just popped into my head. I don't know if anyone on here has done this but when I was a kid we used to have this thing where you would stand inside a door frame and stretch each arm out, and flattened the back of each hand on the door frame. You push with all your might and hold that for a good thirty seconds or more and then drop your arms back down to your side. If you've done this correct both of your arms will slowly rise up on their own accord. It's a really cool feeling, a floating feeling. :-D Try this NID and imagine that feeling on your whole body next time you try for an exit.
Hope that helps you. :-)
I'm going to go do that right now.
:lol: Did you do it? It's soooo neat! make sure you hold the pressure for a good amount of time for it to work really well.
It didn't work for me, but neither did the other trick I used to do (lay on the floor and putting your arms parallel to the floor about an inch, and holding it for a while- when you finally let go the arms feel like they're going through the ground.
Maybe my brain got used to those types of brain tricks or something.
it worked for me. neat.
dank,
i like to visualize myself either falling down a bottomless pit or riding a rollercoaster from the moon to the earth. i usually use the roller coaster one cause i can make it take as long as i need too.
Do you guys think just visualizing yourself floating to your ceiling is good enough? or is that bad because theres a point where it just stops lol aka the ceiling.
I think you might be over thinking it now. I think you should take the suggestions and go from there.
Quote from: Naykid on November 10, 2010, 15:14:41
I think you might be over thinking it now. I think you should take the suggestions and go from there.
Yea it sounds like it, Im just tired of errors. and the past week I've had to take in a lot of different information to understand all of this, know what I mean?
Yeah, I can relate. That's why I suggested you give it a shot with the suggestions that have been given. Having too much in your head can actually hinder your ability to project. Next time you try, just do what feels right.. feel it, imagine it, or do both. This is a trial and error kinda business. :-)
Good luck.
So for the past 4 days ive changed my sleeping schedule up to where ive been waking up around 5-6 AM in the morning, about 2-4 hours of some sleep. Ill wake up and have no sense of vibration, so this is what ive been trying to do and nothing happens
Ill do my affirmative in my head about 40 times saying "now im out of my body". Everytime i exhale thats what i say, so i get to about 40-50 and ill get a slight sense of a tingling feeling and when i try and focus on it and make it expand, it diminishes. So i have to start all over again trying to get back to that stage, well after about 2 or 3 attempts i either fall asleep or seem just to be to awake anymore.
Why cant i get past this? isnt trying after about 2-3 hours of sleep the best time to attempt an OBE
If you're only 4 days into this method, it's still too new to say it's not working.
Quoteill get a slight sense of a tingling feeling and when i try and focus on it and make it expand, it diminishes
Ignore tingling. If you try to focus on it, it WILL go away. It means you're becoming very relaxed, and when you relax you don't concentrate on the relaxation. You just... relax. If you focus on anything at all, it should be the blackness behind your eyelids or a rundown visualization, or some type of exercise that will keep your mind engaged.
I'd say stick with this route (if your sleep cycle allows it) for at least a month. It'll give time for your subconscious to pick it up and roll with it. After a while, it may be that even though the exercises don't seem to do anything, one night you'll fall asleep and suddenly wake up OBE. Sometimes after lots of dedicated practice, it tends to happen spontaneously.
Quote from: NickisDank on November 17, 2010, 14:10:26Why cant i get past this? isnt trying after about 2-3 hours of sleep the best time to attempt an OBE
Perhaps.
Some people OBE while going to sleep.
But others need to charge their energy bodies. And that can only be done properly by getting plenty of sleep.
Quote from: Pauli2 on November 17, 2010, 16:06:56
Perhaps.
Some people OBE while going to sleep.
But others need to charge their energy bodies. And that can only be done properly by getting plenty of sleep.
Yea ive been trying to do it before sleep, i just now started doing it the other way
Quote from: Pauli2 on November 17, 2010, 16:06:56
Perhaps.
Some people OBE while going to sleep.
But others need to charge their energy bodies. And that can only be done properly by getting plenty of sleep.
And then... there are others (such as myself) who see this "charging" or "raising of energy" just an added layer of gobbledygook to wad through and isn't needed for astral projection.
Quote from: Xanth on November 17, 2010, 16:13:11
And then... there are others (such as myself) who see this "charging" or "raising of energy" just an added layer of gobbledygook to wad through and isn't needed for astral projection.
It's good for more than just AP. It's an EXCELLENT way to practice and understand awareness, and gain an awareness of all the subtle things going on in yourself. Being able to resize your awareness and move it anywhere you choose is a skill, and it takes concentration as well, all of which helps AP. I think you're viewing it like Frank did, like it's some sort of dragonball z energy you're inhaling. It's all about awareness.
I mentioned in another post that no one HAS to do it and can still get results, but for others, it may be the tipping point they needed.
I was going to say pretty much what you just said, Stookie. It helps one focus. I did the energy thingy back in the day, but haven't for years.
I just might start doing it again, to see if there is any difference.
My experience with energy work is somewhat different from accounts I've read. I KNOW it effects me on different levels. This entire year I've been doing it every day, but in past cases when I haven't done it for long time, when I start, I get very emotionally sensitive for about a week or so. Small things can REALLY make me mad for no reason. Or get overly-excited. I also tend to get jittery like I had a bunch of caffiene, fairly uncomfortable. And even head-pressure & headaches. Then it calms down and I eventually balance out. I think it mostly has to do with being extra-aware of things that normally pass you by. Being extra-sensitive like that, you learn control and focus.
I have some old posts on here where I was wondering if I should stop or follow through and see what happens. I'm glad I followed through.
Quote from: Stookie on November 18, 2010, 14:38:49
My experience with energy work is somewhat different from accounts I've read. I KNOW it effects me on different levels. This entire year I've been doing it every day, but in past cases when I haven't done it for long time, when I start, I get very emotionally sensitive for about a week or so. Small things can REALLY make me mad for no reason. Or get overly-excited. I also tend to get jittery like I had a bunch of caffiene, fairly uncomfortable. And even head-pressure & headaches. Then it calms down and I eventually balance out. I think it mostly has to do with being extra-aware of things that normally pass you by. Being extra-sensitive like that, you learn control and focus.
I have some old posts on here where I was wondering if I should stop or follow through and see what happens. I'm glad I followed through.
I am very sensitive to caffeine, one can of Dr. Pepper and I'm good to go for hours. I think I will start doing the energy work again. Next week the kids are off, so I'll either have time alone, or I'll be busy as could be. :-P I'll need to look up how to go about it again though, forgotten. Do you do the Bruce energy work or what?
Yeah, these days I start off with NEW full-body circuits for about 15-20 minutes in the morning, then take about a 5 minute break and sip some water, then do my meditation/chakra work. I've done other energy-work methods, but I'll admit that the NEW method seemed to work better. It seems easier (in method) and more efficient.
Well i had another lucid dream last night and it was great, didnt try to have one or anything at all.
The only thing i ran into that was a problem was that i tried to walk through one of the walls in my downstairs living room, and i woke up after trying to do so. Why couldnt i go through? i really believed i was going to go through it, not "can i go through this wall?"
Anyone?
Maybe you became very self-aware of what you were doing and it shocked you out of it. You're not used to walking through walls, so the experience was a little overwhelming. I'm not sure, just throwing it out there.
Quote from: Stookie on November 22, 2010, 14:48:28
Maybe you became very self-aware of what you were doing and it shocked you out of it. You're not used to walking through walls, so the experience was a little overwhelming. I'm not sure, just throwing it out there.
Yea i really don't know how to explain what it felt like when I hit the wall, it wasn't like solid it felt like mush or something lol. But I remember after trying it being like "huh?" and waking up.
So i had some crazy dream recall last night, i remembered about 3-4 dreams... The very last one though i became lucid in it but ive never had this happen yet, i became lucid in a nightmare-type dream. But i was at one of my friends house and i was being held hostage or something like that? and every time id try and escape id fail but it was kind of like the whole dream would restart after i tried to escape and failed. After like the 3rd time i eventually got out of this house that i was at and i was running down this hill at like super-sonic speed hahahha. i started to jump and ended up being able to float up in the air which made me realize i was dreaming. i continued to do this until i was able to control my flying, but then once i got that down i was still kind of scared of what happend before, but i asked for clairty twice back to back, and it just made me wake up. why?
I see two trends in your experiences- your attempts to get out of a specific area/focus and your inability to stay in the experience. Perhaps you need to develop more in the area you're in (explore it more, see what it's trying to teach you) before you try to go further.
Also, I notice you want others to interpret your experiences, and this may not be helpful to you- maybe you need to try to figure out what the symbols are trying to show you in the experience, and if it doesn't make sense to you, then ask for help.
Quote from: CFTraveler on November 23, 2010, 15:32:14
I see two trends in your experiences- your attempts to get out of a specific area/focus and your inability to stay in the experience. Perhaps you need to develop more in the area you're in (explore it more, see what it's trying to teach you) before you try to go further.
Also, I notice you want others to interpret your experiences, and this may not be helpful to you- maybe you need to try to figure out what the symbols are trying to show you in the experience, and if it doesn't make sense to you, then ask for help.
i see, appreciate it by the way
but i was only lucidly aware for a few seconds it felt like, i just cant stay in it for some reason. i figured asking for clarity twice would of did it but instead woke me up?
Then you need to work on retaining and strengthening that Lucid Awareness.
http://www.dreamviews.com/section/staying-lucid-13/
QuoteStaying Lucid
At first it will be difficult to continue a dream immediately after becoming lucid. The reason for this is that upon realizing you are dreaming for the first time you will likely become really excited. If you still aren't convinced about how amazing it is to have a lucid dream, you won't understand until you have experienced it. The realization that you are dreaming is usually accompanied by a profound appreciation for just how real everything seems in the dream— it feels like part of the real world. This appreciation is followed by the excitement of the prospect of actually being able to control something that seems so real. It is extremely common among first time lucid dreamers to wake up due to the sheer excitement alone, so don't be discourage if your first experienced isn't as lengthy as you'd expected.
To both prevent yourself from waking up and remain lucid, you'll need to stay calm and focus on the dream itself. As soon as you become lucid, remind yourself to stay calm. Pause for a moment to collect yourself and take some time to explore the dream world around you. Upon becoming lucid you'll of course immediately want to try exerting control in your dream, but for your first few lucid dreams you should focus more on training yourself to remain lucid. You can certainly try experimenting with a few things—such as seeing how high you can jump, and perhaps seeking out a particular person—but again in the beginning you should simply try to become comfortable with this new found skill.
Dream Spinning
As mentioned, at first you'll likely find it difficult to remain in your dream upon becoming lucid. If the world around you suddenly starts to fade, or you inexplicably sense that your dream is ending, or you even feel that your dream consciousness is thinning, there is a technique you can try to salvage your dream: dream spinning. Dream spinning is extremely simple and consists of you spinning on the spot like you would have as a child. That may sound very silly, but the technique is extremely reliable. When you stop spinning you'll likely find that the dream clarity has returned, and perhaps your surroundings will have changed as well. In fact, if you focus on changing the setting into something else while spinning, it is very likely you will find yourself in your desired environment after you stop spinning. Note that since it is likely your dream will completely change upon completion of dream spinning, you may lose lucidity. Thus, it may be wise to also remind yourself that you are dreaming while spinning. Also, verbal commands can be beneficial when trying to prevent your dream from ending. Of course dream spinning and verbal commands are tools for controlling your dreams, which we'll get into next.
Rubbing Your Hands
Another common way to stabilize a dream is simply rubbing your hands together or something physical in the dream. The idea here is to keep your senses focused on the dream instead of thinking of waking. If you are dreaming that you are indoors, you can put your hands on the walls or furniture. If you are dreaming that you're outside, you can try putting your hands on the ground. Any of these things will help you keep the dream going.
False Awakenings
While lucid, be wary of false awakenings—waking up within a dream. This is quite common and we've likely all experienced it before. This can occur at any time during your dream: you'll just suddenly dream yourself waking up in your bed. It is very easy to accept this as waking up in the real world since it will seem that you have left the dream world. It is always a good idea to perform another reality check upon waking up to be sure you aren't still dreaming. From here, let's finally move on to dream control!
Those are great suggestions for doing such a thing. :)
I personally do the Dream Spinning and know for a fact it works great.
When I 'spsn', I only had to think about spinning. But then I did immediately focus on doing something and holding it together, so it may have been that that worked.
So here's what happened
I had a dream where I was walking outside my house and I just stopped and said I'm dreaming, right when I realized this the entire scene faded away and then the next thing I know I find myself opening my eyes in my dark room(I normally have a blacklight, tv and a lava lamp on in my room) and i was hearing the loud buzzing noise. But as I was opening my eyes I saw a pure white, character standing right beside my bed looking down at me? When I tried to focus on it I actually woke up the next second.
Why was this person in my room, and my room being completely altered to pitch black?
'He' more than likely was your projecting double (or expanded energy body, pick your favorite term) and you were not 'looking' with your eyes- you were more than likely having a partial etheric obe, in which your perceptions were reflected back at you.