can someone help me and tell me what i saw?

[shorty]

Hi! First of all, obes and astral projections are the same thing. That time you saw what actually happened in the physical you projected into the real time zone or rtz. I don't know what it was that you saw the other night, but as you'll soon learn here is that fear is the largest obsticle. It may have had bad intentions, but it also could have had good intentions, and you projected your fear onto it. Or perhapse you created it out of your fear. Frank, another member, will tell you to stay emotionally closed during an obe, and to just keep a sense of mild curiosity.
Don't be afraid, but be cautious.

Michael

P.S. Welcome to the forums!!!

[obegirl956]

thank you so much. it is difficult for me to stay calm when theres this black shiny thing in attack position standing in front of me and im paralyzed and helpless. but ill keep in mind what u said, and i should try to stay calm and not panic as i did. but even knowing that if i ever see my little monster itll be too soon!

[shorty]

You can do it!

Michael

[Nay]

Hey obegirl...hehehe, yep..alot easier said than done.!  It's funny cause I have had two encounters with things..well, they were people, that came at me. But lately fears have came up that have nothing to do with people or little creatures.  Seems once I get over one type of fear another one pops up...geeeeezzz..give me a break already!.lol. (that sounds bad) I am not saying that you will never be free of such fears..lol.  Just made me think about my own going's on.

Good-luck!

Nay. []

[obegirl956]

this happened to me last night and im so paranoid. i promise i cant even open a door in my house without looking around the room. everyone tells me to relax and just try to sleep tonight but that seems impossible to do at this point. is there any way to stop my obe's from happening? or should it just be something i should learn to live with?[|)]

[shorty]

Hi! Try and learn from your experiences. Obes are a wonderful skill to have for higher learning. Explore it. You're in a world where anything is possible! Have fun, and try to stay calm.

Michael

[AndrewTheSinger]

Hello obegirl956, I used to have that same 'problem' too. I thought I was being tormented by spirits cause I would lay down to sleep and start to hear voices, screams, I could see faces flying and people next to my bed during my episodes of sleep paralysis. Since I had no idea what it was all about I would get scared.

This thing/person that you saw was an hallucination, very commom during the hypnagogic state (trance). They are harmless, they are nothing but the sketch of the dream that is about to begin, and indicate you are just starting to tune into the astral dimension. They may happen both when you are waking up and falling asleep.

What you can do is to close your eyes and allow yourself to drift to the dreamworld focused on your intent, and you'll soon find yourself within a lucid dream.

If you're not willing to have anything simply move a finger before opening your eyes, that will help you adjust back to this reality and avoid hallucinations.

Best regards.

[obegirl956]

that is the way i aborted the o.b.e that night. well i dunno if this is in realation or not but ever since i had that experience i have been having nightmares and i am able to remember them after i wake up when normally i couldnt remember a thing. last night i had a dream that i was going on a trip and there was someone there that i guess i knew it was no one i recognized but we talked in the dream like friends and she had a baby girl with her. we were in the bus and i noticed it was going downhill most of the time swerving. at one point we were going towards this huge mansion and all you could see were red lights inside and then all of the sudden the tv's in the bus turned on and showed the same house im guessing years ago and there was a fire and people were running out shooting eachother and there was graphic detail in the dream. later on we got out of the bus and we were hiking through a forest and there was a foul smell and then i looked down and there was a decappitated head on the dirt with flies all over it.
thats when i woke up. so now im not even sure if my sleep will ever go uninterrupted again.

[cainam_nazier]

Given the description you provided I would have to say what you saw "may" have been a basic shadow form.  

Now I say "may have" because it also could have been a figment of your imagination.  It which case it is harmless.

Also if it was infact a basic shadow form then it too is also harmless.  Even the most inept individual can deal with these things.

My case for the shadow form is thus.  You mentioned it being a little shinny.  Everyone has an energy signature. Every thing has an energy signature is more acturate.  Some people and things can hide thier energy signatures as well.  However from the information that I have gathered your weaker shades have difficulty hiding thier truer form.  In most cases the shadow form is taken as a scare tactic and is easily rectified when one stands up to such form.

[terrance]

Hello OBE Girl
I think cainam_nazier is quite right - you can easily stand up to this wether it's a figment of your imaginination or some type of entity.  If you worry about it and fear whatever it may be, it will just grow in strength - be it imaginary or real.  If it was really something to be worried about you would have experienced worse by now I'm sure.

I've had similar things happen to me and I've been very guilty of letting them get the better of me.  But those days are well over...  But if I do get a creepy thing happen these days I just try not to think about it.  Robert Bruce, in his book Psychic Defence notes that there are some measures one can take to act against naughty entities - and I carry out these mostly because they naturally just make me feel better.  First I just turn on most of the lights in the house during the nights and make sure there's plenty of light coming into the house during the day.  I also leave the radio on (night and day) playing quiet classical music.  And I just make sure everywhere is clean and tidy.  If it's really bad try and sleep somewhere else in the house.

The main thing I would say is not to get obsessed with it (have been guilty of this as well lol ) and just stand up to it.  If you want a night of no OBEs you could make sure you was tired before going to bed and eat later in the evening.  My advice would be not to do this just yet however.  

I've had some fantastic OBEs and have learned a lot about myself from them and from the dreams that I've had.  Smile and kick this thing between the legs.

And remember that here at the Astral Pulse there's a vast amount of knowledge and kindness that you can tap into at anytime.

Kind regards
t

[Frère]

OBE girl, hi I'm a friend because I am always afraid. I have plenty of fears, you would laugh if you knew.

For negs, someone told me a cup of cooking salt can absorb what they feed on and thus most of them leave. But you have to know that even if you dont see them presences are everywhere, and believe me you've not been granted with the worst of them: once some negs used to go all thru my body without asking and it felt horrible. I've been so afraid that I (after a long story) called for God him self, and finally discovered my guardian angel, or some kind of guide, that now helps me when I am afraid, and takes me thru difficult situations. Now I can call him whenever I want and even in normal life he helps me for little things, and for big things too.

The better thing to do with some being that scares you is to mentaly tell them anyway they can do nothing to you, this makes you take a position in which you are the master, while fear puts you in a position of victim. Then you can wonder Why they are there for you, if they remind you of some situation you've known, and if mabe they need you to bless them, and then they go free. Sometimes negs are attracted to certain state of minds which are already scary for you... it's an endless cycle until you put some light in it... write here what goes on with you I'll be pleased to try to help you.

By the way, you can ask for a dream that might explain you why all this happen to you, and what sense might it take. You are in such a situation where your dreams might help you, so don't be afraid of sleeping, this would continue the endless cycle and your health would be affected. Pray for help if you really have tryed anithing else, it worked for me, in the end (after a lot of praying though)

[obegirl956]

[]thank you everyone for the helpful advice. i have been able to sleep well the past few nights thanks to you all. but if anyone else reads this i was wondering if there were any books i could read about astral projections and what there titles would be. i have been getting obe's for quite sometime now but i have never been so intrigued.
i live in the valley in tx which is about 10-15 minutes from mexico and i had been seeing a psychic there for a while and by that i mean going to one not dating, but anywho i was wondering if it would be a good idea to tell her anything about my experiences or would she be of any help.
thank you everyone for ur help.

love always
rachel

[Frère]

I don't know what you call a psychic, but if this is a scientist, just don't talk about it, they are really stupid for these kind of matter, and have only drugs to offer.

[Tisha]

obegirl956,

It is so normal to "see" an object crouching or standing next to your body when you first OBE.  Of course the first instinct is to panic, which badly colors the experience, and things go downhill from there.

I've read a lot of theories about this phenomenon on this Forum. One  explanation is that the Form is what many call the "Dweller," which is actually a part of you.  The Dweller is an anxious, protective kind of personal energy, one that keeps you from doing dangerous things, but that also keeps you from trying new experiences.  The time to check it out is when you face it.  If it turns out to be the Dweller, tell it to "step aside please, stay right there, I'll be back in a minute."  Since it is a part of you, it won't harm you.

Another explanation is that it's a guardian angel or a guide, or even another person in OBE form who is trying to help you project.  For all you know, that shadow helped pull you out!

The most frequent explanation you'll get from more suspicious or fearful types is that the Form is a "neg" (i.e., harmful energy form). If you approach OBE with this presumption, your experiences are bound to be stressful.  So don't automatically presume this! The next time you see something on the Astral, settle yourself down and simply ask "What are you?  What do you want?"  If you project your fears on to it you probably won't like the answer, so keep your wits about you; i.e., stay neutral.

If it is a neg, tell it to back off.  If it doesn't, and you start to get frightened, wake yourself up (it's easy; just imagine yourself waking up).  OR, ask for help from a guardian - - whether an angel, spirit guide, whatever.  

In fact, it's a good idea to get to know your Guardian(s) as soon as possible.  They like to help.

[obegirl956]

I am a little confused about the term astral projection as opposed to O.B.E. So im not sure what i should call my experience, but thats not my question....
i have been getting "O.B.E's" Since i was about 14 years old i am now 19. one of my most memorable experiences was when i was 16 i was asleep on my nephews bed on my left side. i was beginning to "have one" but i had my eyes partly opened. i couldnt move hear or speak so everything was pretty routine. but since i had my eyes open i could see that one of my nephews was watching tv and the other was walking in front of me. once the obe finished i opened my eyes the rest of the way and noticed that everything was as i left it during the obe. so i concluded anything that i see during an obe is what is happening on the physical world. last night i was asleep in my bed again on my left side and i began to have one, but i felt scared and i never have before my eyes began to open and i saw a black shiny figure crouching next to my bed as if it was trying to sneak up on me. i remember taking special notice its face as it seemed it didnt have one. it was of human form , it stood on 2 feet and had arms and legs. as soon as i realized that i was seeing something that i have never before i panicked and aborted the obe. once i was fully awake i saw the shadow of the figure and it disappeared. now my question is : what could that figure have been? and could it have had bad intention? also what should i have done ? i fear going to sleep tonight because i dont know where to begin handling this situation in my head. if  there is anyone who could help me put i would greatly appreciate it. thank you.[]