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[David Warner]

Just recently I had six astral projections and in the last projection I had the opportunity to talk with this girl. I asked her name and she replied back with her name and then asked me if I had any brothers or sisters. As I was getting ready to answer her I lost consciousness and returned back to my physical body.

I wish that I was able to communicate with her more and just get to know her and what she was about etc. The only thing that I did pickup before approaching her (Flying up to her). That it appeared to possible be amish, possible 20th Century clothing. Along with her was another girl and she didn't take too kind of me and left. They both were sitting on a wooden bridge with rope to hold balance and steps.

Has anyone here have had lengthily discussions with people, entities, angels, in the astral? Have you been ever able to verify upon return to the physical that they once existed here on earth.

Tvos

[Projector]

Yes, I have talked with many of these 'entites'. But I do not know if they once existed on earth, (well except for Jesus and some other projectors that I've met)













-The Projector-

[Hans Solo]

Guys, IMO this sounds like focus 2 stuff.  No offense, It is AWESOME that you can project, but focus 3 is where you are talking to real "people" and not your own subconscious mind.

For instance, Projector you said that you talked to Jesus.  I bet you are a believer in Jesus as the Christ.  See in Focus 2 those beliefs manifest becuase you are projecting into your subconscious mind.  I would read some on Focus 2 and Focus 3 so you know you are not just running in circles verifying your own belief structures.

I hate to write this because I feel I am overstepping my bounds, but since you guys seem semi new to the site I just wanted to clue you in to this possibility.

I would read up on Franks Phasing model in the Permanent Astral Topics and verify his information for yourselves.  Thats what I did and it helped my learning a great deal.

Han

[ap]

Hi,
I have had many dreams which I can clearly recall that involved meeting with deceased relatives.  At the time, I had no idea what was going on and just considered it a dream.  I can now see how they were most likely Focus 2 experiences.  They were very lucid but I had no idea that I was dreaming.  It seemed as though I was really there.  This is all okay with me because now I can look back and see where my thoughts/feelings/beliefs about these people were probably taking on the form of the person.  Again, this is okay with me because it seems to be a very valuable learning tool for helping me to learn about myself.  Next time this happens I hope I can remember all this as I hope to engage in a dialog with myself via whatever "form" I am perceiving there.  Hope this makes sense.  I see it as a possible learning tool for clearing out a bunch of unnecessary junk that can hold me back.  I hope to be able to get to Focus 3 and meet deceased relatives and friends for real.  In the meantime...Focus 2, here I come!  

[Hans Solo]

I have had many dreams which I can clearly recall that involved meeting with deceased relatives

This is a sticky situation, because from what I have learned (I have not experienced this myself) that people have strong bonds with realitives, so this may have been a valid focus 3 overlay experience.  You will have to find out for yourself when you get into focus 3.

Han

[David Warner]

Hans,

Again, I will check out the focus study of what Frank writes. It should be interesting.

I've had experiences talking with past relatives, I even saw the birth of christ in a clairoyant projection. I'm a follower of God and Christ but I do have a tendency to hold back at times. The more that I review my journals for the last 17yrs the closer I feel that I'm getting to God.

Tvos

[ap]

Hans,

Thank you for pointing that out.  At this point in time, I have to say they did indeed seem very real.  I woke up crying from the most intense, but in a good way, contact.   I say that because I feel that one may have been a Focus 3 one.  I actually woke up crying.     The weird thing is that I have never told anyone about this dream until now.  At any rate, I think you are right.  I am going to wait until I can get to Focus 3 before I try to initiate anything on my own.  Again, thanks.

[Hans Solo]

Yea, I was talking more about the speedy demon (edit* that was in another post of yours....oops)   Also, don't take what I saw as Gospel because I have only been to Focus 2 and Fz. I have never been to Focus 3, but will someday.  

Also, I am willing to shed my current beliefs if what I verify on my own differs from those beliefs.  That in my opinion is the only way to find truth, and I think that is why we are all here.

han