Couple of Questions

[MJ-12]

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[Soulfire]

Hi,

1) Sometimes I will have a finger or toe twitch a little, but I don't personally recall ever having a whole limb jerk.

2) If you are feeling energy sensations, I'd say you are probably on the right track.  My biggest challenge doing conscious exit APs is letting my mind "drift" enough to allow it to happen, while still maintaining just enough awareness to KNOW it happened.  It is a very fine line for me and my success ratio is probably only about 10%.

3) I've never bothered with the sword and armor as I have never needed it.  The only negative astral experiences I remember having were as a child.  Those were during spontaneous OBEs and I was too terrified to take any controlled action at the time.  I suspect that just like in real life, there are probably usually better options available than fighting.  For instance just deciding to move to a holy place might prevent many things from following you.  The only way I would ever consider fighting was if I had recurring problems with Negs or if I needed to get to a specific place in the Astral and I also had an intuitive sense that "facing" some kind of negative entity was part of what I "needed to do".  You can experience pretty much anything you want in the Astral though, so if holographic Dungeons and Dragons is your cup of tea, battle away I guess.  []

4) I have at times conjured torches in dark places and they worked great.  My limited experience has led me to believe pretty much anything you create will behave similarly (but not always exactly) to the way you want it to...provided you believe it will.  Limited belief produces limited results but usually just trying is enough to produce "something" in line with what you desired.  If not, multiple attempts where you focus more usually work.  

5) As per #3, I am unqualified to answer this.

I hope this helps...  []

--Soulfire

[shadowatcher]

My limbs used to jerk too. Eventually, they stoped, and I wast past the vibe stage. I never really liked the vibrations either....[xx(]

[Birm]

Dear APGuy,

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But pretty much 30 secs. after I got them I fell asleep

This is the sleeping reflex. Your subconcious decides it is a good time for a seperation and the seperation process begins. Your concious is used to this process and when it begins you loose your concious as a reflex.

Try to concentrate and try to understand the falling asleep process... Then you will understand the basics of the vibrations and the starting of the projection process...

Get used to the vibrations. And you will get quicker results in time...
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[Spirit_k9]

The only thing I want to address is the sword and armor. I have asked for it, but what it produced was just another thought form and was rather useless against what I was going through at the time.

I don't remember if Robert's text expounded on the intricacies of the technique, but anything you 'generate' like this is merely a representation. The sword represents protection and power, it isn't,, nor does it provide real protection or power. To understand this is to not need the representation, rather deal with the source of the 'protection' directly.

[APGuy]

O.K.  Rather than cluttering the forum I decided to post my new question here.  I can now cause paralysis and the jolts(not vibes) fairly quickly (about 8 minutes for paralysis and only about another 8 minutes for the jolts.)  Now my problem is that after I make the vibes come I get numbness in whatever part of my body I'm using for my visualization e.g. rope technique= numbness in arms.  I'm fine with that but no matter how long I go that's the only part of my body that get's the type of numbness I'm talking about.  I think that they're partial projections but no matter how long I go only my arms will go with rope.  If I switch to dashing up platforms for my legs than my arms feel normal again and my legs start to get this numbness so:1)Are these partial projections?
  2)How might I go about causing a full blown projection(a good method with no physical stuff to it perhaps)?
  3)How do you like my new sig?[]

[beavis]

Spirit_k9 "anything you 'generate' like this is merely a representation. The sword represents protection and power, it isn't,, nor does it provide real protection or power. To understand this is to not need the representation, rather deal with the source of the 'protection' directly."

Right. I never use any kind of protection in astral (not even for sex) and nothing bad has ever overpowered me.


APGuy 1) I think thats some energy, but it confuses me that it makes you numb. My energy doesnt do that. It just makes me feel really good wherever it is. If you had more, you could use it to astral project.

2) Think about putting your feet on a wall and hands on an opposite wall in a narrow and very tall room. Climb up in that position. You use your whole body so your energy might spread more evenly.

3) I like it. Reality is too persistant. Its too hard to leave any time I want without leaving permanently.

[APGuy]

I'm new and would first of all like to say hi.  I've been trying to OBE for a month or so and today I got the vibes after some jerks of my legs, fingers, and arms.  But pretty much 30 secs. after I got them I fell asleep[].
    So my questions are:1)Are limbs jerking normal before an OBE?
                        2)Would you say I was close?
                        3)Did you try the asking for a sword thing like from Robert Bruce's article?
                        4)How'd it work?
                        5)If you got your sword and armour what are they like?
    Thanks in advance for replies and for the help.