Hopefully, there will be some help to be found here, just to gain some kind of understanding as to what is happening.
I have projected spontaneously dozens and dozens of times. This means it happens to me; I don't make it happen (or at least that's the way it's experienced). Through my twenties (I'm now 53), it was all pretty much standard experiences, ranging from becoming conscious while floating out to becoming conscious when I'm already "someplace." I've had dreams from which I projected out of the dream body and then I became conscious that I was projecting. I've had a myriad of lucid dreams, even to the point of standing in front of my girlfriend in a driveway telling her "don't you realize this is a lucid dream, and we each have our bodies bad in our bed?" (To which she replied, confused, "I really don't..."). I have once visited another civilization on another planet - or so it seemed - where the writing on the signs outside of buildings was a strange mix of Cyrillic and Arabic characters, except that I got around by flying and people in buildings and on the street, while walking, were completely aware of my presence. I've had one epic dream where, in the dream, I was time traveling back to the 1970's and I reunited with a "time cop" type team which I had been a long standing member of but something happened where my memories of them were erased and through this experience they slowly returned. I have had more time travel experiences than any other kind; these are typically information only - no plot, no life lesson, no drama. Just things like "when you make a time jump, you have to make sure that what you're standing on when you leave actually exists when and where you arrive or you'll go plummeting to the ground." Which makes no sense because with all the movement involved - spin of the Earth, orbit around the Sun, the Solar System moving through the galaxy - tracking one's movement would be infintely more complex than that. Being not at all religious, I have faced beings who report directly to "the devil" and kicked their butts. Anyway....
I have never successfully initiated a conscious projection. Either it happens to me - surprise! - or nothing happens at all.
The long and short of it is that up until a couple months ago, I always awoke from these experiences knowing that they were purely astral in nature. The memories and experience that I carried upon awakening had a distinctive "feel" to them, always putting things clearly in the astral realm. It is difficult to explain beyond that.
The most common recurring message is that I don't need devices to physically time travel. I can do it with just my mind. I have had several episodes (pseudo-dreams/projections) that became epic productions just to underscore this point.
Starting a few months ago, I began having experiences that seemed to be hybrids of lucid dreams and projecting, except that these left me waking up *knowing* that "this was a physical realm I was in. I might have had astral abilities like flying but I was in a hard, physical place." I interact with people. I know where I am, and what's happening, to the point of putting tremendous effort into tuning into where I am to avoid popping out and waking back up in my bed. Such an event occurred just last week - to the point where I was in a shopping mall and decided it was time to go home; I tried and tried to "pop out" but couldn't do it. Then suddenly I was kneeling on the floor, with everything above my waist lying on my bed; an opened paper road atlas under my stomach, my Shih Tzu Holly was there where she should be, but I woke up and told her "I did not go to sleep like this. Something is wrong." I got up and turned on a light. It immediately blew out. I went to turn on another light. It blew out just as quickly. I told her "well, we have no lights here anymore ... we're just going to have to wing it." At the moment it never occurred to me to even consider that I wasn't actually home. I laid in my bed and tried to go back to sleep. Next thing I know I'm back in the same shopping mall I had left earlier. I walked outside and started to get seriously concerned that I could not "pop out" and get back home. I even tried lying down on the grass outside the mall, trying to induce the vibrations so I could return home. Then an Asian guy, late twenties, very clean cut, looks at me lying on the ground and says "hey man ... you don't look so good." Next thing I know he's on top of me, his knees pinning my shoulders down, and he lets out the most evil laugh imaginable as he's trying to force some kind of pill down my throat. I feel no fear but still acknowledge the deadly serious nature of what's happening. I grab his throat with my hand and squeeze hard. I'm able to push him off me that way, and then I immediately spring to consciousness back in my normal physical reality.
When I return, everything is remembered vividly as being distinctly physical. This was not the floaty astral realms I was visiting when I was younger.
There were two more episodes last night; not nearly as dramatic but in the second, something that has only ever happened once before, I realized I was not actually "flying" but rather I had a pair of hands on the bottoms of my feet pushing me. At some point I was set down gently on a road outside and immediately I tried to see who it was that was helping me to get around. There was no trace of anybody.
If anybody has any insight as to exactly what is unfolding here, I am all ears and I will welcome any and all conjecture. I am clueles. Nothing I have ever read has ever progressed this way and I have no idea why these changes are occurring, what they might mean, or where they might be leading.
Thank you!!
You are becoming aware of the many realities.
They are as, if not more real, than our daily physical world by their feel.
Memories being removed isn't new. The total solidity is real, you have successfully phased into an environment. In doing this you are bound by the physics presented therein. You also have your own physics to play with too. You can fly and noone else does, this is being shown to you.
You may also be given tasks of various types. Your instinct will lead you on this. They will be very real feel and physical like too.
First a link for phasing to re ad then another, a possibility of where you may be progressing to.
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_astral_consciousness/the_astral_blueprint-t38729.0.html
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_astral_projection_experiences/souly_for_retrievals-t37273.0.html
I have a few experiences posted too. These may be familiar to some of your experiences. Have a read first to see if things look familiar.
Then a direction may be uncovered as to whats happening.
Szaxx: at this point any and all input is worth a lot and I appreciate the reply greatly. I will read both links extensively. This is a huge leap for me; I have a tsunami of experiences hitting me, they are clearly indicating drastic movement, but I just have no basis for putting these disjointed and seemingly random pieces together and making sense of them. I suppose that will come in time. My rule of thumb is to leave no stone unturned; I cannot expect help from others if I am not doing 100% on my end, so if I'm given a link, I will read every word. At this point the experience of others is the most valuable thing I have to help me through this. It isn't like it's becoming a crisis, but it sort of *is* just by the need to understand what is happening.
Thank you again!!!!
[Some time later that day....] this conversation so far has triggered a cohesive thread that can followed through all the experiences.
In our physical reality, it is a foregone conclusion that no matter how it unfolds, no matter what awaits humanity, no matter who is to blame, we are on the verge of a meltdown that will not be pleasant for anybody. I want an alternative. I want to do something productive instead of fight my way through it. There is a reason why this is the case, but judgment of that is for another topic. The point is, that is where I am as far as my priorities, and what is unfolding astrally, is unfolding with my priorities and goals being what they are.
My life so far would not be believable either as a drama or a comedy. As my older brother so often declared: "I cannot BELIEVE the s*** that happens to you!!" As always, there has been a reason for this.
Break it down to the most basic facts: I am visiting these realities. I am not choosing them consciously. They are being chosen for me. I seem to have nearly unlimited freedom of choice once in them, but they are not happy places. They invariably range from neutral to dark and dismal - although I would not classify any of them as actively "evil." Just depressing, at the very worst (so far). I have seen that at least one presumably higher-evolved critter than me is a) quite aware of my journeys, b) very possibly initiating them, and c) even handling transportation for me - then promptly bowing out of the picture entirely. So what would all this add up to?
Sampling. I wouldn't want to buy a house without looking at bunches of them. It's a hypothesis, and it could be completely wrong, but at least now I have *something* to plug in. So the next time I visit one of these places, the focus will be not on what it can do for me, but on what I can bring to it. What can I become in this place?
Permanent relocation would probably inherently mean physical termination but a) I would not be in any position to care, and b) it could all be 50 years off for me anyway. Who knows? Maybe I go there at night, build what I can, engineer what I can, and bring the experience and knowledge back here in the day. Literally *anything* is possible. The minute I start thinking I *know* more than I do, it all starts to fall down around me.
A jigsaw is an untidy mess when the box is first opened and the pieces scatter in all directions.
You are in a similar position. The fact you are looking at the pieces and trying to make sense is good. You must first start to put each piece the correct way up before you lay a corner.
This is the typically physical minded way of interpreting what you are going through.
There's also one more thing you may have noticed but disregarded, this being the box.
It has a picture upon it telling you which piece fits where.
There will have been something deep inside your mind supplying this info. An overall view, it may have been a wish as you fell asleep.
Think about this. Time plays no part in this, a day or thirty years means the same.
The desire for more out of life may be a pointer. The 'helper' strongly suggests this.
Quote from: DRS on July 14, 2014, 23:42:41
Break it down to the most basic facts: I am visiting these realities. I am not choosing them consciously. They are being chosen for me. I seem to have nearly unlimited freedom of choice once in them, but they are not happy places. They invariably range from neutral to dark and dismal - although I would not classify any of them as actively "evil." Just depressing, at the very worst (so far). I have seen that at least one presumably higher-evolved critter than me is a) quite aware of my journeys, b) very possibly initiating them, and c) even handling transportation for me - then promptly bowing out of the picture entirely. So what would all this add up to?
See what "good" you can make for this places. Try Love.
I know this does not help but, everything will unfold itself in its own time, which means, when you are ready, which means, you will have to learn stuff first, which means, you have got to ask the right questions, and be ready for them.
The answers are inside.
Quote from: DRS on July 14, 2014, 23:42:41
Permanent relocation would probably inherently mean physical termination but a) I would not be in any position to care, and b) it could all be 50 years off for me anyway.
both answers are acceptable, however, it is my opinion, permanent relocation just does not happens out of nowhere when you are projecting. except maybe, when you are very, very old and at peace, and in some other few very exceptional cases. (i.e. coma, some kind of brain paralisis, etc)
You can't lose yourself to this too much, a balance between spiritual and physical must exist. After all, thats why we are all Here now.
What really strikes me about the answers I'm getting is the genuine intent to help. It is most impactful, humbling, and appreciated.
How do we balance the need to manifest our true selves, unrestricted and pure, with the need for the presence of, and interaction with, others in our lives? It is very much a case of an irresistible force meeting an immovable object.
Solution: both evolve to become something more. Maybe in the end that's the ultimate purpose for all of us being here: to figure out how to make it all work.
QuoteSee what "good" you can make for this places. Try Love.
There is far more wisdom and potential in this suggestion than you may think. This is becoming a focal point for me as I have thought of this before: maybe the point of going to these not-so-perfect places is to see what I can bring to the table to make them better.
Quote from: DRS on July 15, 2014, 07:05:05
How do we balance the need to manifest our true selves, unrestricted and pure, with the need for the presence of, and interaction with, others in our lives? It is very much a case of an irresistible force meeting an immovable object.
Im not really sure if I understand this, but sounds to me like a "My heart wants to do this, but my Mind tells me to do that/nothing".
It is my belief, that if that "irresistible force" is fulled/powered by love, which is the most pure, refined, powerfull energy in the universe (energetically speaking), then you cant miss the target.
However, I would also tell you, since we are all governed by diiferent kinds of Laws that slightly vary depending on location (physical, social, political, etc)
Go for the SMART thing to do.
Quote from: DRS on July 15, 2014, 07:05:05
Solution: both evolve to become something more. Maybe in the end that's the ultimate purpose for all of us being here: to figure out how to make it all work.
And it is a bonus when you help others realize this while we are here. So we can evolve to better ways. Now you know.
Quote from: DRS on July 15, 2014, 07:08:02
There is far more wisdom and potential in this suggestion than you may think. This is becoming a focal point for me as I have thought of this before: maybe the point of going to these not-so-perfect places is to see what I can bring to the table to make them better.
See, you are starting to appreciate the everyday things by having had those experiences. Thats a lesson learned IMO. That applies everywhere.
Quote from: Rakkso on July 17, 2014, 03:35:26
Im not really sure if I understand this, but sounds to me like a "My heart wants to do this, but my Mind tells me to do that/nothing".
It is my belief, that if that "irresistible force" is fulled/powered by love, which is the most pure, refined, powerfull energy in the universe (energetically speaking), then you cant miss the target.
However, I would also tell you, since we are all governed by diiferent kinds of Laws that slightly vary depending on location (physical, social, political, etc)
Go for the SMART thing to do.
And it is a bonus when you help others realize this while we are here. So we can evolve to better ways. Now you know.
See, you are starting to appreciate the everyday things by having had those experiences. Thats a lesson learned IMO. That applies everywhere.
A simple scenario: you meet a friend for lunch at 1:00 p.m. You're very hungry at noon and you would eat at that time except that time does not work for your friend. So ... you can eat alone at noon ... then still meet your friend for lunch and just nurse a drink along (even if it's just water) ... or wait until 1:00, where the meeting is "right" but the time is something you had to compromise on ... none of these options are optimal for you personally but if you want to have that connection with others, you have to adjust. Which inherently means altering who you function as, and what you would do in the purest state of just being you. For even two parts to become one, they must alter themselves to some degree at the core, even if only in a functional sense. So "you" cannot connect, merge, or bond with any other without altering yourself in the process, which means "you" did not connect, merge, or bond at all.
Good post, it's developing a natural ability to instinctively adapt.
Your example above instantly changed my lunchtime. No question about it, it was instant.
This adaptive nature is present in young childrens minds. As most people get older they are NOT subject to change. What a hindrance for life this can lead to. We've all acknowledged the cantankerous old guy, the moanings bombarding the playful young ones. This mindset is so negative in our art.
My mindset as an example.
Taking my granddaughter (3 years old) to the park, we eventually sat at an empty table and had a pretend picnic.
As we were engaged eating various virtual items, she starts laughing at me. I asked what's so funny? She replied the cake was made of paper. It amused her greatly when I spat it out and wiped my tongue.
Next thing four more little ones wanted to join in.
There's nothing physical on the table but we all had fun with imaginitive intent on eating various foods that had been ' interfered' with.
My take is without this adaptability in your mindset, visualisations and scene creation in phasing would be almost impossible.
This old dog has many new tricks, some he didn't know he had lol.
Quote from: Szaxx on July 17, 2014, 06:58:21Good post, it's developing a natural ability to instinctively adapt...
LOL is your new lunch time noon, or one?
Truly, there is no limit to what can unfold on this adventure ... forward leaps always involve letting go of imagined limits; they rarely if ever seem to involve new discoveries per se. We discover through uncovering, not through injecting.
I seem to have an affinity for shopping malls for some reason. It is very curious. Last night I visited another NPR; this time it was the Woodfield Mall in Schaumburg, IL (it's on Wikipedia). I woke up, went back to sleep, and returned. I was visiting the week of its opening in 1971.
Watch out for malls especially if you had lessons in one. Lol
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