Had second OBE, heard chanting, saw shawdows, got scared.

[izalco]

Ok, so I had my second OBE today, just before.

This time it wasn't as easy.

For one, I was laying in bed, and all of a sudden I heard my uncle who lives down stairs come into my room and ask me to borrow some shampoo.

I was about to get up, and then realize it wasn't right, and I went to look and he wasn't in the room. So, I began to feel my body levitate, and now I know the OBE feeling so I knew it was starting.

BUT.

As I was trying to get out, I kept hearing these weird voices. Like a chanting "ya ya ya ya ya ya" I wanted to leave my body but must admit I was scared.

Then I looked up, and saw black shadows on top of me, and I saw them banging, and I heard them banging. It was really freaky. Still, I said to myself, I must go an have my OBE.

I tried to ignore these voices, but I was scared, I had 1 foot out on the floor, and I was trying to separate.

Then I heard my mother scream out my name, and thats when I stopped. My mother is alive, and she is into the metaphysics , astral projection, but I dont really talk to her about these things. I did talk to her about astral projectiing and she says we do it every night, but an OBE is NOT THE SAME as astral projection IMHO........

But when I heard her voice, something told me inside, dont leave your body now.

so I put my foot back into my body and tried to move but I couldn't. I still heard them chanting and banging and was getting freaked out because I wanted to wake up and move but couldn't, tried to scream and only let out a gasp.

I knew what was happening, after I calm my self so I just relaxed, and after a while I could move.

When I woke up again, I got mad because I knew I missed a good chace to have an OBE. I tried to go back, but just couldn't do it.


Now, has anyone ever had this kind of experience before? I got scared because I have never heard the chanting, seen the black shadows, and heard the banging.

Like I said, all that didn't bother me as much as hearing my mother scream out my name. I know that tone, and it might seem funny, and it almost is, that her voice scared me the most as if she was trying to tell me not to leave my body.

[Newbee772]

Hi Izalco and congradulations. Your experience, believe it on not, is more or less normal for many including myself- when first starting to consciously project. Noises - bangs, clicks, wind sounds, even grinding noises are frequently experienced at separation from the body.  Chanting, people's random chatter, voices - all this too is normal - The astral body( or whatever you want to call it) is connected to and part of everything, so you will get interference like noises and strange visuals especially while coming out, as the second body is adjusting itself to conscious OBE state.

[izalco]

Hi Izalco and congradulations. Your experience, believe it on not, is more or less normal for many including myself- when first starting to consciously project. Noises - bangs, clicks, wind sounds, even grinding noises are frequently experienced at separation from the body.  Chanting, people's random chatter, voices - all this too is normal - The astral body( or whatever you want to call it) is connected to and part of everything, so you will get interference like noises and strange visuals especially while coming out, as the second body is adjusting itself to conscious OBE state.

yes, but many people talk about negs and stuff.

a quick SEARCH on this site for "shadows" comes up with some pretty freaky stuff about negs and demons, and shadow men.

I heard sounds, but something wasnt right. Maybe its because I never heard these sounds or saw these figures.

Whats strange is that while some people see this as normal others say its negs.

[Selski]

Whats strange is that while some people see this as normal others say its negs.

Hi izalco

It's not that strange really when you think of life in general and how we all have differing opinions about all sorts of things.  Most of the time, we can't agree on really basic things, never mind 'paranormal' stuff!  

That's what makes life so interesting.  My advice would be to see the shadows as your imagination and ignore them - they'll go away.  If you start to fear them, they'll become frightening.  Again, that's my opinion only.  

Someone else's advice would be to place a shield around yourself for protection and the shadows won't be able to harm you.  

Choosing not to be fearful of them tends to work wonders - but again that's just my experience and my opinion.

Sarah

[izalco]

Whats strange is that while some people see this as normal others say its negs.

Hi izalco

It's not that strange really when you think of life in general and how we all have differing opinions about all sorts of things.  Most of the time, we can't agree on really basic things, never mind 'paranormal' stuff!  

That's what makes life so interesting.  My advice would be to see the shadows as your imagination and ignore them - they'll go away.  If you start to fear them, they'll become frightening.  Again, that's my opinion only.  

Someone else's advice would be to place a shield around yourself for protection and the shadows won't be able to harm you.  

Choosing not to be fearful of them tends to work wonders - but again that's just my experience and my opinion.

Sarah

Its interesting indeed. I guess if its in my mind, then everything is in my mind, and OBE's are just lucid dreams.

If there are paranormal stuff, which I do believe, then I kind of dont want to leave my body if these things are around.

they weren't around the last time I exited. Others report shadow figures which are negs. I did feel as though these things were NOT friendly. It kept me from exiting this time. Although many people say just "tell them to go away" I dont know if that will work. I will try next time.

I guess the idea that its all in my head is simple, I would also like to hear others experiences with shadows and negs.

a quick look into the Welcome to Psychic Self Defense! forums here, and you see many people talking about these shadow people, and they arent very happy.

[Selski]

Its interesting indeed. I guess if its in my mind, then everything is in my mind, and OBE's are just lucid dreams.

If that's the way you want to see it, then so be it.  Just lucid dreams though?  Wow, lucid dreams are the bees knees, in my opinion.  

If there are paranormal stuff, which I do believe, then I kind of dont want to leave my body if these things are around.

If you believe it's in your mind, then you're not leaving your body.  In fact, your consciousness may not even be in your body in the first place.

they weren't around the last time I exited.

Had you heard of them before that time?

Others report shadow figures which are negs. I did feel as though these things were NOT friendly. It kept me from exiting this time.

Once you hear/read about these things, you tend to experience them.  This is true for me also.

Although many people say just "tell them to go away" I dont know if that will work. I will try next time.

If you go into it thinking it won't work - guess what? - it won't work.

I guess the idea that its all in my head is simple, I would also like to hear others experiences with shadows and negs.

Go to the Psychic Self Defense forum then, if you want to read more about them.  Or you could post your original post there and you'll get more believers in negs responding.

a quick look into the Welcome to Psychic Self Defense! forums here, and you see many people talking about these shadow people, and they arent very happy.

As believers in negs, and becoming fearful of them, they wouldn't be very happy would they?  

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You see, it's more a case of how you deal with negative "things" (for want of a better word) than whether they are "real" or not.  Of course they are real, even if they are all in your mind - you are still experiencing them.  Try telling a delusional person that they are NOT seeing pink elephants.  They are seeing pink elephants - of course they are.

If they are a part of your imagination or if they are apart from your imagination is not the real issue in my opinion.  As an aside, which is scarier to you?

The real issue is how you deal with them.  And everyone deals with them in different ways.  

As a last point - if you are going to read scary neg stories and get yourself fearful, then I would advise that you stop trying to have OBEs and get a more "physical" hobby instead.  Again, this is just my advice and you are welcome to take no notice of it whatsoever  

Sarah

[izalco]

Its interesting indeed. I guess if its in my mind, then everything is in my mind, and OBE's are just lucid dreams.

If that's the way you want to see it, then so be it.  Just lucid dreams though?  Wow, lucid dreams are the bees knees, in my opinion.  

If there are paranormal stuff, which I do believe, then I kind of dont want to leave my body if these things are around.

If you believe it's in your mind, then you're not leaving your body.  In fact, your consciousness may not even be in your body in the first place.

they weren't around the last time I exited.

Had you heard of them before that time?

Others report shadow figures which are negs. I did feel as though these things were NOT friendly. It kept me from exiting this time.

Once you hear/read about these things, you tend to experience them.  This is true for me also.

Although many people say just "tell them to go away" I dont know if that will work. I will try next time.

If you go into it thinking it won't work - guess what? - it won't work.

I guess the idea that its all in my head is simple, I would also like to hear others experiences with shadows and negs.

Go to the Psychic Self Defense forum then, if you want to read more about them.  Or you could post your original post there and you'll get more believers in negs responding.

a quick look into the Welcome to Psychic Self Defense! forums here, and you see many people talking about these shadow people, and they arent very happy.

As believers in negs, and becoming fearful of them, they wouldn't be very happy would they?  

_________________________________________________

You see, it's more a case of how you deal with negative "things" (for want of a better word) than whether they are "real" or not.  Of course they are real, even if they are all in your mind - you are still experiencing them.  Try telling a delusional person that they are NOT seeing pink elephants.  They are seeing pink elephants - of course they are.

If they are a part of your imagination or if they are apart from your imagination is not the real issue in my opinion.  As an aside, which is scarier to you?

The real issue is how you deal with them.  And everyone deals with them in different ways.  

As a last point - if you are going to read scary neg stories and get yourself fearful, then I would advise that you stop trying to have OBEs and get a more "physical" hobby instead.  Again, this is just my advice and you are welcome to take no notice of it whatsoever  

Sarah

yes, shadow people they are called. And, guess what, its not only doing astral projection who see shadow people.

A quick search on google brought up these interesting sites

http://paranormal.about.com/library/weekly/aa022502a.htm

Did you see that dark, fleeting shape out of the corner of your eye? Perhaps you caught a glimpse of a strange entity that is being seen with greater regularity around the world.

http://paranormal.about.com/library/weekly/aa030402a.htm

There appear to be more sightings with greater frequency. Many readers seem to concur and have responded with their frightening, sometimes bizarre personal encounters with these strange beings. Here are their stories

http://www.anomalies-unlimited.com/Shadow_Person.html

This photo of a "shadow being"
was taken by a computer
camera.
The person whose home it was
had some anomalous things
going on and often 'felt' someone
there. She left her computer
web camera on for a few hours,
recording the room, then went
back and looked through the
frames. This is what showed up
on only two of them. Is this the
first true photo of a shadow
person? Shadow people are
seen by thousands of people and
some speculate they're another
'species' of life that just move too
fast for us to see. Some catch
them out of the corner of their
eyes and others have had pretty
harrowing, face-on encounters
with them.



note, that this shadow person picture is what I saw on top of me, banging on something. they seem trapped and wanted to get out.

now, this is not all in my mind, these things are real, and moreover, its a serious thing that if you have an OBE something CAN happen to you, these shadow people can do things from what people in the self defense forum say.

I for one will not try to have an OBE with these things around.

[mactombs]

now, this is not all in my mind, these things are real, and moreover, its a serious thing that if you have an OBE something CAN happen to you, these shadow people can do things from what people in the self defense forum say.

You seem so determined to believe in this, so no matter what anyone says, it doesn't really matter. All the same, let me say my two bits.

I've seen plenty of shadow people. I've experienced chanting before an OBE, but I went out anyway. I ignored it and it went away.

Just because there are websites and forums about something does not mean it exists. There are street smarts and there are web smarts.

Maybe you should mature a bit before you consider OBEs.

[Souljah333]

that was a tad harsh. would be nice if that was a prerequisite, but from what I've come across in the astral...immaturity reigns over large portions of it...and don't tell me that's just what i want to see. i see a lot, but maturity has very little to do with it (unfortunately as i  said). i grew up in the astral, so i've seen it from very many mind-sets, and feel i have enough experience to back up my opinions. what's that mean? not much, except that believing it's all in your head, although it simplifies it...isn't going to do you any good in the long run, especially if you ever do find yourself under attack.

my opinion is you should have gone with it. as i mentioned in the post at my forum...this breed of shadow people could very well be a residual energy from past versions of yourself that can in essence be viewed as an 'astral family' of sorts. they just happen to play strange instruments you aren't use to, and break into a the ya-ya song when they see you taking steps towards attuning. there are other forms of shadows that can be more harmful, as i mentioned, but i wouldn't worry yourself with them for now.

i'm not an advocate for the educational system, but some people go to college and end up working at mcdonald's, or wind up drinking themselves to death at some frat party...but that shouldn't stop you from going. some people get killed in car accidents, but millions of others don't, etc. it's the same thing...the astral is too much fun, has too much to offer, that you should be afraid of the horror stories...and this is coming from someone that has lived some of the worst. some of the things i've seen would make average people insane, but i'm still alive...and still exploring the astral frontier with great enthusiasm. on the other-hand i have also been through some experience here on earth that would destroy most people, and i'm still going strong here as well.

in that sense i do think this has to do with maturity. i have no idea how old you are, but over time you learn that the good and bad are mixed together pretty evenly, and it's all in how you decide to look at it. youth kinda get out-of-hand with the dramatics of it all (imho), and i'm pretty much over stroking their little egos. no offense. it's just important to keep a level head, but that comes with age and experience.
you can't tell someone to be sensible.

neg's are different to me (than shadow folk), but i'll leave that for later.

if are as interested as you seem to be i'd try checking out some of the abduction forums...those might be more along the lines of what you're looking for?!? if you're gathering different perspectives, those ones are always particularly interesting. i have my own experiences with abduction, but i'll leave that area for others to elaborate on.

good luck in figuring it all out
soul

p.s. for all it's worth. i don't think anyone gets anywhere in the astral, or in this life here on earth...by being afraid.

[knightlight]

Just this morning I was experimenting with various techniques of phasing through the darkness in front of my eyes.  I had hit a point where I had been day dreaming and caught myself, but in the day dream I was sitting up and I was actually laying down, extreme vertigo set in and I was falling slowly and nauseatingly downward.  I decided to push forward out of my heart chakra area and open my eyes.  I felt myself release from my sickening flight pattern and as I opened my eyes I saw myself floating gently along into a cave.  It was huge!  It was sorrounded by spikey rock structures and along the walls tunnels of lava flowed in various directions.  I immediately felt something approaching me.  I set myself down and went from a dot of consciousness into a normal human form and began searching the cave for movement.  

Out of nowhere 3 rather large "hounds of hell" began circling me.  I thought "oh wonderful... look at the size of those things!"  But I never panicked.  I knew if this was real life I would certainly be a goner, but these things dont just walk around in the street waiting to decapitate people so I knew I was in control even though it certainly didnt seem that way.  I think this is the key point, if deep down without a doubt you know you are in control you cant fail.  Sure most creatures, due to the inherent nature of the astral, tend to appear insanely frightening to the average joe, but you have to know you can fight them and win every time.  Its just that simple.  You doubt the outcome, your done for.  And by being done for I mean simply waking up a little shaken mentally, nothing more.

One of the hounds began coming closer as the others watched and circled.  I raised my hands in a cup shape and began focusing energy.  I thought "crap... this isnt going to work, ive never applied this before.  I have no hands on experience... I am going to fail" The thing charged at full speed, and as it jumped at my face I saw what death looks like.  I jammed my hands outwards and pushed the energy through them in the form of lightning, but the whole time I thought "this isnt going to work" over and over again.  Guess what?  IT DIDNT WORK.  A blue glow came from my hands and sputtered as soon as it started and I was thrown to the ground.  I writhed underneath the ridiculous weight of the beast.  Its eyes burned into my subconscious.  I suddenly thought "well for gods sake man DO SOMETHING!"  

Time slowed as a sense of pure power flowed through me.  I raised my hands forcing them into the beasts chest as I pushed every ounce of power and strength through them with a great sense of ability.  The hounds eyes went from evil incarnate to whipped poodle and flew all the way acrossed the cave with streams of white and blue light pouring through its back.  The other hounds paid no attention and charged me simultaneously.  I woke up just to spite them.  The moral of the story.  YOU HAVE THE POWER.  Doubt yourself and your screwed. It doesnt matter if you think they are real or not as long as you know you have power beyond imagination.

On a side note I too once was overwhelmed and terrified by negs.  I bought a few defense books and as I read the horror stories inside I was consumed by the fear of it all.  I wrote holy symbols on my body when I went to bed and my dreams where plagued by all shapes of demons and nasties.  I even began seeing things at night in my room.  One day I tossed the books, erased the symbols and grabbed a baseball bat.  I ran around my house swinging it and saying "beeeitch you dont own me!" and just basically mentally erasing all my fear of negs.  Guess how many times I have been afraid of negs since.  None.  Its all in how you feel about them and trust me fear snowballs like a mofo!  Ditch it.  I also want you to get OBE and pick a fight with one of those shadow folks.  I want you to walk right up to him, look him in the eye and slug him as hard as you can with the thought that you have the power.  Feel it hit him with all your might and tell me if its still standing.