Difference between OBE and AP?

[Aaron330]

I've read many methods people use to achieve projection, but I've ran into some confusion. There are very different methods for accomplishing this, such as the sleep paralysis/exit techniques and the "phasing in" type of methods. My questions are:

1. Is there any difference between using the "phasing in" method and sleep paralysis? Some people will focus on a picture of where they wanna go and then close their eyes until they see it and then step into it. Is this different than a conscious exit from the physical body and floating around in your room?

2. Which method do most of you veterans find easier? Phasing or SP? Would you recommend a beginner start by learning one or the other?

3. Many of the vet's here claim that they can project without being in SP or being unconsciously asleep at all. I've even heard some people can project in like 3 seconds. What happens if you project when the physical body and mind is simply relaxed but not asleep? just curious lol.

[Xanth]

1. Is there any difference between using the "phasing in" method and sleep paralysis? Some people will focus on a picture of where they wanna go and then close their eyes until they see it and then step into it. Is this different than a conscious exit from the physical body and floating around in your room?

None of those things are any different from each other.  You end up in the same place... the non-physical.

2. Which method do most of you veterans find easier? Phasing or SP? Would you recommend a beginner start by learning one or the other?

I found Phasing easier... but then, that information really doesn't help you in the slightest, because you're not me.  You are you.  What works easier for you is individual and unique to you. 

3. Many of the vet's here claim that they can project without being in SP or being unconsciously asleep at all. I've even heard some people can project in like 3 seconds. What happens if you project when the physical body and mind is simply relaxed but not asleep? just curious lol.

I don't think I know ANYONE who can project in three seconds other than, perhaps, Tom Campbell... and it's not quite what you think it is in regards to him. 
Anyone stating they can project in 3 seconds is BSing you hard time and I highly suggest ignoring them.

You don't need SP... and projecting without falling asleep is called a "conscious exit".    Nothing special happens... you project.  Simple.

[soarin12]

I do the kind of phasing where you 'notice' things in your field of vision (eyes closed) and often at some point during it I'll get the lead blanket feeling.  So you could say I phase and get SP at the same time.  I don't set out to induce SP, it just happens.  Often I'll just get the SP feeling for a couple of seconds before I phase into the NP.

I've tried the 'visualization and then stepping into it' method and I just can't get it to work. (I have to admit I haven't worked at it really hard because my other method works well for me.)  I just can't hold onto the pictures.  They are before my eyes for a couple seconds and then they're gone.  If you're good at visualizing something and your picture doesn't keep disappearing on you like mine does, then maybe this will be your natural method.  Experiment and see! 

[Szaxx]

3 seconds, it takes longer to get comfy lol.
It's possible to exit within a min or two ONCE RELAXED, I've done this countless times in the 80's during lunch hour.
I have posted this a while ago. It's not 3 secs lol

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_astral_projection_experiences/to_the_door_perfecly-t36502.0.html

[Aaron330]

I have been reading through the "Frank's Posts PDF" and reading his technique of moving your awareness up to the third eye chakra. Then apparently you imagine a rope, not visualizing it but feel it above you, and imagine climbing it to bring about the vibration stage. Does this work for any of you? I tried it at 430 am but I was too tired to stay conscious and kept falling asleep. I'm going to try it again in a few hours.

When Frank says "move your awareness up to the forehead, then let it go out the top of the head" what exactly does he mean? Does he mean I imagine looking out from my third eye, or is it more simple than that and just focus on that area of your forehead? If any of you are familiar with this, advice would be appreciated!

[Lionheart]

 Aaron he means moving your actual point of focus around. Robert Bruce has an excellent technique for learning this named "NEW" (New Energy Ways). I use it often especially to defer my chronic pain. It is very simple to learn and is extremely helpful in helping you control and direct your focus.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/2425218/NEW-ENERGY-WAYS-by-Robert-Bruce

[Aaron330]

Aaron he means moving your actual point of focus around. Robert Bruce has an excellent technique for learning this named "NEW" (New Energy Ways). I use it often especially to defer my chronic pain. It is very simple to learn and is extremely helpful in helping you control and direct your focus.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/2425218/NEW-ENERGY-WAYS-by-Robert-Bruce

Ok great, thanks for the link! I assumed that's what he meant and I tried it earlier this morning and felt a tingling sensation right there as I was projecting all my awareness on it.

I also have another question: I have discovered that I think I have learned how to control my astral body a bit. I can do this any time I want, even right now as I'm typing this, but it is especially helpful when I'm trying to project. Basically when I close my eyes, I can sort of just mentally focus on the idea of my astral body floating or projecting out of my physical, and I get the strongest sensation of a surge of energy and it feels like I am trying to pull away from my physical body but it is still connected. If I focus on it strong enough it becomes so intense that my body starts to shake a bit. It feels very similar to the light-headed falling sensation. I used it this morning to help induce vibrations briefly. My question is, is this a skill you guys all have too? Is this basically what you do once you get past the vibrations stage to project out? If so, I feel that part will be easy next time, as the hard part for me is getting into the full SP vibrational stage.

[Lionheart]

 Aaron, normally when I AP I am point consciousness. I have found that creating a "Astral/Etheric body/vessel" was just a tool of focus, per say. It wasn't necessary anymore once I learned more about what "I" saw was really happening. I put the word "I" in quotations because this was a personal observation.

When I create a good NP focus, I still experience the vibrational state. But not nearly as strong as I used to.

When I do though, I immediately create my intended destination or focus for the session. Which lately has been to "see what I need to see and learn what I need to learn".

You must not actively look for the vibrational state because that is still focusing on the your physical body. You must learn to "passively observe" it with an air of curiosity.