I haven't done any personal research on this subject, but i had done a little. My friend that was telling this over dinner inst a reliable source by any means. He talks a lot of bovine excrement but with me he can be pretty honest. So Just letting you know i got this information form a second hand non reliable source.
The drug found in your brain called DMT, some have linked it to the stuff that makes your dream. When synthesized and takes as a recreation drug apparently the user can see this reality from a different one. I have yet to take it so i cannot comment on this phenomenon.
My friend said that when we are born we contain large amounts of DMT and when we die we also build up high levels of DMT.
I told him kinda jokingly "well i guess its from the journey"
anyone know anything about it? Also I will probably take some recreational one of these days so if anyone has done it let me know what up.
You are right, it does sound like a lot of excrement. Please, chemical drugs are not the way, they generally have a higher instance of addiction from the first time you use it.
The natural drug in our brain is Dopamine, it's the high we feel from physical exercise and other things. Illicit drugs work on the brain because we have receptors for them, but that doesn't mean we should use them recreationally, and especially not as a lifestyle choice. Some of the naturally gown things like hemp have a place, and had traditonal uses such as pain relief, tea made from it is great for glaucoma, etc. And there are times when you will notice it tends to open you up more, but most people then have trouble remembering what the insights were that they got at the time. Like alcohol, some people should never touch it.
A friend of mine smoked, got truly whacked then decided to meet up with his higher-self guide, when he arrived everything was on a slanted angle.. so he asked why and the answer he got was, "All is fine, you are the one who is bent."
Each to their own really, I cannot say do not use drugs as I experimented with clean LSD and magic mushrooms in my early days. But I would never touch any of the more recent chemical compounds for the fact that they are intentionally addictive, a lot are made in unsanitary conditions and are cut with horrible things in many cases.. and that's just beside the fact that they are unnatural compounds.
Quote from: Tayesin on February 03, 2009, 08:58:17
You are right, it does sound like a lot of excrement. Please, chemical drugs are not the way, they generally have a higher instance of addiction from the first time you use it.
Drugs are probably not recommended, but that doesn't mean the story is bovine excrement.
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The natural drug in our brain is Dopamine, it's the high we feel from physical exercise and other things. Illicit drugs work on the brain because we have receptors for them, but that doesn't mean we should use them recreationally, and especially not as a lifestyle choice.
DMT can be found in the body and in the brain, and it is a natural compound. From wikipedia:
QuoteDimethyltryptamine (DMT), also known as N,N-dimethyltryptamine, is a naturally-occurring tryptamine and potent psychedelic drug, found not only in many plants, but also in trace amounts in the human body where its natural function is undetermined.
QuoteLike alcohol, some people should never touch it.
Why?
QuoteEach to their own really, I cannot say do not use drugs as I experimented with clean LSD and magic mushrooms in my early days. But I would never touch any of the more recent chemical compounds for the fact that they are intentionally addictive, a lot are made in unsanitary conditions and are cut with horrible things in many cases.. and that's just beside the fact that they are unnatural compounds.
I'd be interested to hear what you have to say about some of the newer legal ones.
Thanks Dingo for showing me my errors mate, much appreciated there. I jumped the gun without researching it.
Trace elements wouldn't be the same as "containing large amounts of". So maybe some excrement is involved mate?
To your 3rd point Dingo: You must know people who are adversely effected by alcohol, yes? You know what I'm talking about, the violent drunk, the crying in your beer drunk, the losing the plot drunk, etc, etc. These are negatives brought out by alcohol. So too with every drug known to man, there are simply some people who are negatively impacted by certain ones and therefore should not touch them.
Honestly I think most prescription drugs are bad news, and looking back over their track record I would have to say that would be a correct estimation. Which new legal drugs are you meaning here Dingo?
I've never tried DMT, but it is THE most powerful psychidelic drug known to mankind. You dont just trip out like LSD or mushrooms, you go somewhere else compleatly, my guess being inter-dementional. Its also schedule-1 (illegal/no medical uses). And it is found EVERYWHERE in nature. They say now its harder to find organisms that DONT have it, because almost everything does (and it is funny to think that an illegal drug is inside all of us!). It is also the active ingrediant in the South American Shamanic brew known as ayahusca.
You should really read "DMT The Spirit Molecule, by Rick Strassman". I highly recomend this book. Dr. Strassman is the first doctor in 30+ years to get approval from the government to study psychedelic drugs. The book is about his clinical studys that took place early 90's in New Mexico. Amazing book. He goes on to theorize that DMT is "the spirit molecule" and I think he could be right.
DMT is made in the pineal gland, which is not part of the brain, but it is at the very center of both hemispheres. Many cultures and religions hold the pineal gland as "the seat of the soul." One very interesting thing in the book is that the pineal gland is formed in the fetus 49 days after conception; And in some Buddhist traditions, it is said that the reincarnated soul enters the body 49 days after conception... something to think about.
I personally think that DMT does initiate a form of OBE, but nothing like a "normal" OBE (as if there were such a thing!). You're just along for the ride, as I understand it. You would have almost no conscious control of what happens. So I would never atempt an OBE with DMT, it makes no sence. But I would be very interested in a study of OBEers to see if DMT is released during an OBE or a precurser to one. DMT is an awesome substance (and very simple! DiMethylTriptamine, sounds complex but its really not) But as far as attempting an OBE, I just dont see the conection.
There is also a strange conection between DMT, OBE, and alien abduction. I think DMT and OBE could explain almost every abduction story, even though they are not at all the same thing...
I think it pays to be careful about assuming natural is good. There are a ton of natural drugs and chemicals that are visciously dangerous. There are a ton of synthetics that save lives every day. However, I would be slightly more willing to consider something that is already present in the brain. Still, if you take something the body already produces, the body will often choose to produce less on its own to compensate. Your body habituates and it can become harder and harder to get out of the cycle.
In ancient times, usually only a few shamans had the drugs and knowledge to produce the drugs. The shaman underwent years of training and the drugs were administered only in certain situations or rituals. In most cultures I have heard of, the shaman carefully monitored all drug use and made sure the use was appropriate. This made drug use a lot safer for the populace as it minimized incidents of overdose and prevented regular use and severe addiction. Even for drugs that are not physically addictive, most drugs provide an escape from waking life. This escape can easily become psychologically addictive for some people. The same thing that makes it fun can make it addictive.
-Eva
My blog of unexplained journeys:
http://www.realmcrawler.blogspot.com
DMT. as i know it is a natural brain chemical, and we all of a stock pile of it, that is released upon death. DMT is hard to test for because it is a rapidly decreasing chemical, abnormal amounts only stay in your blood stream for about 20 mins. Have you ever herd of licking toads? that's the common method of ingestion. I personal have tried it, when in high-school. simply put my advise is, DON'T DO IT. DMT makes an acid trip look like a day at the park. its an uncontrollable ride. and if you are not repaired for it, you will be kicking yourself for doing it. you cannot overdose as far as i know, but don't Quote me on that. however you can loose control of your physical movements, and your perception of self diminishes. You can loose perception that you are breathing and may think you are dead. and the entire reality around you mixes with dream like images. weather it causes oobe's i don't know. but considering it is illegal to use, is reason enough not to use it; but im' saying that as a hypocrite because that never stopped me.. The best DMT Resource i can offer is the following erowid source! http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/dmt/dmt_basics.shtml I sure wish i read it, before "I LIKED THE TOAD" however this experience in no way caused any long term side effects or psychological problems. nor has any other drug i have taken. Marijuana, Acid, Coke, Codeine, Alcohol, Mushrooms, the list go's on. if you do DMT just be cautious about it, and have a Sober-trip sitter with you.
the stuff on toads is 5MeO-DMT. completely different chemical. The only way to ingest DMT is by smoking it or ingesting it with an MAOI (Ayahuasca). It's believed that DMT is responsible for dreams, and very small amounts are released every night from the pineal gland in the brain. It is also the most natural and least dangerous drug on earth, and ironically the most illegal. I suggest watching some Terrence McKenna videos. fascinating stuff.
Thank you for the clarifying post Envix.
I think drugs have their place, but they need to be used wisely. It's more like mountain climbing than a jaunt through the park. Once you go, you are stuck there no matter what happens.
You're welcome, Lighten. and I agree with The Present Moment.
Yeah the drugs are illegal since malevolent forces don't want us using that special part of our minds, but I'm searching around and finding other ways of stimulating DMT. One is shown here http://people.tribe.net/ionamiller/blog/5d84850a-42bd-45b9-a6dd-a043b1123dcb
"Taoist master, Mantak Chia of Thailand recommends sound and light isolation in a process he calls Darkroom Enlightenment for decalcifying the pineal gland. He sequesters participants in the dark for over a week to shock the pineal into critical arousal to stimulate production of natural DMT and break down the barriers to transcendence. The neurotransmitter 5-MeO-DMT is normally only active when we are in the womb and in the first months of our lives. It is reactivated in the darkroom.
Stages include the ‘Melatonin state (Day 1-3; ego death), Pinoline State (Day 3-5; energy body and astral projection; lucid dreaming), 5-MeO-DMT (Day 6-8; telepathy, White Light), culminating in illuminative DMT (Day 9-12; Immortal Body)."
Perhaps there's a reason the highly psychic people in history would seclude themselves in caves.
That has to be the trippiest thing I have ever heard of. You have to be pretty hard core to sit in darkness for 9 days. I don't think its possible unless you are forced. Anyone who is capable of doing that probably already is semi-enlightened. Good post though, thanks for the info.
There are things called isolation chambers (floating tanks). The water is filled with salt so you are buoyant and you chill there in the darkness and sound proof. They say its good for mediation, possibly similar to what you are talking about.
"The neurotransmitter 5-MeO-DMT is normally only active when we are in the womb and in the first months of our lives."
I don't think that is correct. From what I have read, natural DMT is present in our minds and bodies all the time, just in small amounts. Schizophrenics have been found to have a higher concentration in their blood than nonschizophrenics. But we all have it all the time. Some researchers believe DMT is part of our nightly dreaming process. I think it's irresponsible and suspicious of this guy to make assertations as if fact that contradict all available evidence while giving no evidence of his own.
Many years ago, I did read of a similar thing where people lived a week or more in total darkness. Many of them began to see weird stuff in the dark. There was no sound deprivation in that case though. It bares noting that sense deprivation has been known to lead to weird experiences since time immemorial.
I think you need to be careful of the trap where someone asserts some kind of weird theory that has no evidence backing it and then tells people to submit to sensory deprivation and then uses the weird experiences that result as some kind of evidence of his weird theory and then wants you to pay him money or homage. Sensory deprivation is a very very old technique for experiencing the strange and there have been thousands of theories on why this happens.
I think there is a strong tendency in America, and probably globally, to find the 'next big thing' and hype it and cash in on it on the 'ground floor' (ie while it is still in the state of wild conjecture with little to no evidence). But almost always, later on, it turns out to be useless baloney.
That is not to say that there aren't weird things. I wouldn't be here is I didn't suspect there were weird things to be learned. I would just be very suspicious of those who say they have all the answers and all you have to do is pay them money or homage.
-Eva
My blog of weird journeys:
http://www.realmcrawler.blogspot.com