I've heard that time spent in the astral reduces fear of death. I just wonder if this is confirmed by people's experiences on here. Do you feel that their astral experiences confirm to your own satisfaction that consciousness survives death?
I worked as a palliative care nurse for a few years and know how hard it can be for people to face the end. I suppose this has made me far more aware of the need to be ready for this stage in life when it comes. So I'm wondering if experiences in the astral do make people more at peace with death?
its possible... As through astral traveling people begin to experience the world out there without their physical being.
Hi,
If you are passionate for an answer, go into the 3D darkness and ask this question with this passion and desire. Fear of it as an end to existance should be in mind too.
I hope you get an answer you can use.
I have tried for many years and cant a.p. my self . I would say if one did meet with many people in the astral that have died and are told that they are just fine , I would think that would reduce there fears of death . desert rat
whats the one thing in your life that is not a reaction to a positive or negative influence
education or emotions or thoughts built on a foundation of reactions
, the point is there is nothing in your entire life that is not just a reaction to our environment
what this means is its your environment that is alive not you
your just an energetic reaction
so regarding fear of death etc, your already dead 8-)
:NoY:
I can easily say that I'm not afraid of death, but I've never been close enough to death to know for sure. I'd like to think it would be easy and I wouldn't panic or be frightened, but who knows.
Sometimes I feel that I would like to volunteer my time at a hospital where people were close to death. Just to help them prepare their minds and let go of their fears. To help them create their own personal place of peace in the Astral that they could go to during their transition. Unfortunately this is not acceptable by the masses as of yet and would be highly frowned upon by not only the medical community but also the families of the soon to be deceased. My view on Death is quite a bit different from the masses. I am not sad when someone passes on, because I know they are just beginning. People tend to think that lacks compassion. The only time I am sad is when I see everyone praying for a person who is terminally ill and in constant pain and suffering. I feel that those people that are praying are being selfish and should just let the person go. They have suffered long enough!
I am not afraid of Death, but also I am not ready to go yet. I don't feel I have completed my purpose here yet.
Quote from: KyleVonGore on May 30, 2012, 06:50:41
its possible... As through astral traveling people begin to experience the world out there without their physical being.
That's what I'm hoping.
Quote from: Szaxx on May 30, 2012, 09:44:35
Hi,
If you are passionate for an answer, go into the 3D darkness and ask this question with this passion and desire. Fear of it as an end to existance should be in mind too.
I hope you get an answer you can use.
Thanks Szaxx, I'll give that a try.
Quote from: desert-rat on May 30, 2012, 10:40:32
I have tried for many years and cant a.p. my self . I would say if one did meet with many people in the astral that have died and are told that they are just fine , I would think that would reduce there fears of death . desert rat
That would be a powerful experience. I would have to first somehow test that they were not figments of my imagination though.
Quote from: NoY on May 30, 2012, 10:43:10
whats the one thing in your life that is not a reaction to a positive or negative influence
education or emotions or thoughts built on a foundation of reactions
, the point is there is nothing in your entire life that is not just a reaction to our environment
what this means is its your environment that is alive not you
your just an energetic reaction
so regarding fear of death etc, your already dead 8-)
:NoY:
I've been involved in Buddhism for many years so I'm familiar with this type of idea. I don't find it entirely satisfying because there does seem to be an underlying awareness that is not just a reaction to the environment. It is this that I'm hoping to get to know better because my guess is that this does not die.
Quote from: Stookie_ on May 30, 2012, 11:53:43
I can easily say that I'm not afraid of death, but I've never been close enough to death to know for sure. I'd like to think it would be easy and I wouldn't panic or be frightened, but who knows.
I know what you mean. Thinking about death and staring it in the face are completely different things. I remember watching a documentary about Ram Dass. He devoted decades to spiritual practices, but when he had his stroke, and believed himself to be dying, he became afraid. If someone like that can fall apart at death's door it is a bit worrying.
Quote from: Lionheart on May 30, 2012, 16:15:27
Sometimes I feel that I would like to volunteer my time at a hospital where people were close to death. Just to help them prepare their minds and let go of their fears. To help them create their own personal place of peace in the Astral that they could go to during their transition. Unfortunately this is not acceptable by the masses as of yet and would be highly frowned upon by not only the medical community but also the families of the soon to be deceased. My view on Death is quite a bit different from the masses. I am not sad when someone passes on, because I know they are just beginning. People tend to think that lacks compassion. The only time I am sad is when I see everyone praying for a person who is terminally ill and in constant pain and suffering. I feel that those people that are praying are being selfish and should just let the person go. They have suffered long enough!
I am not afraid of Death, but also I am not ready to go yet. I don't feel I have completed my purpose here yet.
Thanks Lionheart, I hope to one day develop your certainty that death is just a beginning. If I could take a pill that would give me such conviction I'd gladly take it now. Even if there turns out to be nothing after death I want to live fully convinced that there is something and die knowing that I'm going somewhere - if I'm wrong it won't matter. My primary motivation for spending time in the astral is to reach this point.
Quote from: Paul-garr on May 30, 2012, 19:04:55
My primary motivation for spending time in the astral is to reach this point.
Then succeed you shall!
Good Luck and Safe Travels! :-)
Quote from: Lionheart on May 30, 2012, 19:08:52
Then succeed you shall!
Good Luck and Safe Travels! :-)
Thanks for lifting my spirits - I need it.
Well for the sake of argument, nothing can truly "cease to exist". Materialists on one hand will say we are 'configurations' of energy that can easily be destroyed. Okay, maybe our own sense of the way we see our personal 'identity' to be is lost. Regardless of that matter it still needs to take a new form. It must.
Think back long before you were born, even conceived. That's one perspective of "infinite" death. You're here right now aren't you? Being in a deep coma is sort of like a death. Those in a coma for 20 years, will wake up from it, and will only have memories of what happened "yesterday" 20 years ago. Time flies by like nothing. Our awareness perceives time as an abstract sensation. Their is no connection between "then" and "now" it simply Is.
So in a way, the very second one enters the death "transition" it will be like "waking up" again, no matter what were to happen next. You can only go back as far as your earliest memory. "Time" started then. Your universe began then. It wont end there, it's impossible to otherwise.
The only question to ponder upon death is, will your 'awareness' and 'identity' stay intact? Some of us know this answer, others need self-evidence to come to their own conclusion.
As for your question, Personally It would have to be a Yes And No.
Yes in a way I am afraid of death, only because of what I am leaving behind. I fear the shock that this would put into the hearts of my loved ones, and friends, and those that depend on me in this life, for me to suddenly go, I do worry the cause & effect. Some of them lack understanding for what lies beyond their plain sight and I cant expect them to understand, as it is beyond words.
No, for a more selfish reason is; I simply cant be afraid of death itself. The life I live while considering the entirety of my metaphysical experiences, everyday it's a constant reminder of forces that are greater then myself, I dont need to be in denial, I can simply live at peace with that.
Tonight my belief is tested. Mary Jo's ex husband just passed away due to an automobile accident. Her 2 kids have lost their Father. For the last 10 years he has been living in constant pain, they did surgery on his back, but it was never the same. He used to love going hunting and fishing with his boys. For the last 10 years he could only hear their stories of fishing and hunting. He couldn't participate due to his crippling condition. I do say a prayer for all that have lost a great person, a friend, a father and I wish him a new beginning in a place where he can now once again participate in his passions.
Uh...yeah, no questioned asked.
NDE's all describe the same process as phasing, idk what more proof I can give you.
Cheers,
Contenteo
Other people might see it differently, but from my point of view, the first time I had an OBE I considered it a confirmation that a part of us...spirit or soul, whatever we like to call it, moves on. Having lost someone I was very close to a couple years ago, who fought an illness very bravely, but ultimately lost that battle. I have had a lot of the same questions myself. This has a lot to do with my interest in Astral projection, as well as out of body experiences. I know some people might be interested in it strictly for the fun of it all, which is fine. But I do like to believe there is a deeper meaning behind it all.
Quote from: Killa Rican on May 30, 2012, 21:25:46
Well for the sake of argument, nothing can truly "cease to exist". Materialists on one hand will say we are 'configurations' of energy that can easily be destroyed. Okay, maybe our own sense of the way we see our personal 'identity' to be is lost. Regardless of that matter it still needs to take a new form. It must.
Think back long before you were born, even conceived. That's one perspective of "infinite" death. You're here right now aren't you? Being in a deep coma is sort of like a death. Those in a coma for 20 years, will wake up from it, and will only have memories of what happened "yesterday" 20 years ago. Time flies by like nothing. Our awareness perceives time as an abstract sensation. Their is no connection between "then" and "now" it simply Is.
So in a way, the very second one enters the death "transition" it will be like "waking up" again, no matter what were to happen next. You can only go back as far as your earliest memory. "Time" started then. Your universe began then. It wont end there, it's impossible to otherwise.
The only question to ponder upon death is, will your 'awareness' and 'identity' stay intact? Some of us know this answer, others need self-evidence to come to their own conclusion.
As for your question, Personally It would have to be a Yes And No.
Yes in a way I am afraid of death, only because of what I am leaving behind. I fear the shock that this would put into the hearts of my loved ones, and friends, and those that depend on me in this life, for me to suddenly go, I do worry the cause & effect. Some of them lack understanding for what lies beyond their plain sight and I cant expect them to understand, as it is beyond words.
No, for a more selfish reason is; I simply cant be afraid of death itself. The life I live while considering the entirety of my metaphysical experiences, everyday it's a constant reminder of forces that are greater then myself, I dont need to be in denial, I can simply live at peace with that.
Thanks Killa, you seem to have the type of attitude I wish to develop. I don't want to believe in survival of consciousness so as to deny life but instead to make sense of it.
Quote from: Contenteo on May 31, 2012, 01:39:14
Uh...yeah, no questioned asked.
NDE's all describe the same process as phasing, idk what more proof I can give you.
Cheers,
Contenteo
I suppose the problem with NDEs is that I've never had one. I would definitely count them as evidence but not yet compelling enough to completely convince me.
Quote from: twilighter on May 31, 2012, 05:21:53
Other people might see it differently, but from my point of view, the first time I had an OBE I considered it a confirmation that a part of us...spirit or soul, whatever we like to call it, moves on. Having lost someone I was very close to a couple years ago, who fought an illness very bravely, but ultimately lost that battle. I have had a lot of the same questions myself. This has a lot to do with my interest in Astral projection, as well as out of body experiences. I know some people might be interested in it strictly for the fun of it all, which is fine. But I do like to believe there is a deeper meaning behind it all.
I'm with you on this. Having fun is important, but I've got more serious goal in mind.
QuoteI suppose the problem with NDEs is that I've never had one. I would definitely count them as evidence but not yet compelling enough to completely convince me.
I can't argue with a man who wants to see that facts for himself. That's cautious and noble. However, if you don't want to almost die, you may want to take a statistical route. A good amount of research has been done with objectively rating NDE individual cases. You can take that data, and find a pattern.
Here's one of the many sites I found a while ago when I was first researching this. Most of the research seems to be happening outside America.
http://www.integralworld.net/vanlommel.html (http://www.integralworld.net/vanlommel.html)
Cheers,
Contenteo
I've heard people in the chat lines say, "There is no death."
Around that time, I was very depressed, suicidal, and suffering from both neuroleptic shock, withdrawals, and anxiety attacks. I over dosed on pills, but woke up gradually over a few days, and returned to reality. Apparently, based on the condition of the house and cuts on my body, my physical body got up, vomitted out the pills, and was even walking around town and talking to people. This does not bode well, yet, it seems that the non conscious part of me survived. Does that make sense? That the consciousness was impaired, yet the physical body survived by controlling itself?
At that same time, I was making contact with various occult groups, and even experienced astral invaders, which my cat also responded too with violent attacks to defend my prone, sedated body. Is there a link between connection to an occult group and a suicide shortly after? And then for the body to survive it, simply by becoming so violently ill that the body hijacked it's own controls and got up, promptly fell against various objects in the house, got sick, and then began to go a step further and check people out in town, I mean really, that's amazing.
So in one case, we have the spirit body, and in another, we have the physical. It is said that when these are in direct alignment, there is no confusion, energy for sensory feats or psychic ability, and also, power to move the physical body beyond the limits of what is normally thought to be corporeal reality.
Well enough of that, I just wanted to add, if the Spirit is infinite and absolute, also, transcending and generating the physical, then we can power up our spirits and go astral directly from a meditative standpoint. Whether we die, or whether we transcend, it doesn't matter, we still return to the Spirit level. Banishing can also have the same effect.
I've had NDE and mine were very linear. I watched my body die, and then my reality began to reconfigure itself, going through phases in which entities and gods and things appeared and took care of the matter, and finally, I watched myself return to reality in a mystical burst of voidal energy. It's like I went into the astral, and travelled to specific planar focals, and revived. I wake up in bed, and I look fantastic, can't really complain about that.
QuoteI've heard people in the chat lines say, "There is no death."
Around that time, I was very depressed, suicidal, and suffering from both neuroleptic shock, withdrawals, and anxiety attacks. I over dosed on pills, but woke up gradually over a few days, and returned to reality. Apparently, based on the condition of the house and cuts on my body, my physical body got up, vomitted out the pills, and was even walking around town and talking to people. This does not bode well, yet, it seems that the non conscious part of me survived. Does that make sense? That the consciousness was impaired, yet the physical body survived by controlling itself?
Hard to say for sure, but I think this might be one of those cases where the physical body was in such trauma and the neurotransmitters were so depressed that although you were acting with some of your normal personality and consciousness, your brain was unable to form lasting memories of the events- sort of like when people drink excessive amounts of alcohol, and they interact with their friends as they normally would, but their brain is unable to generate memories, and so later in their recollections they see this time as a "blackout" which they can't account for.
It seems far more likely that your brain was unable to record that time as memory for you than a "zombie body" was functioning in your place, if that is any comfort to you.
To be honest, the knowledge off AP and even my own unitentional OOBE has done nothing to change me perspective of death. At the moment, i'm not sure where i stand with my view on the afterlife. I don't believe that everyone has a purpose, because if you look at some people, you can see that they have contributed nothing. Although, i'm not in a posistion and never will be to judge the worth of someones life, and no one knows everything about someone, so i can't really say that they haven't done something wortwhile. Plus there is the fact that just because you have a purpose, doesn't mean you will achieve it. As for death, i fear the death of others, because regardless of what comes next, it is still a seperation that may last forever. The thing that frustrates me the most about death is my inability to form a belief about what happens, or even know what i want to happen. I do not fear my own personal death, the on l y thing that annoys me is that i might not be around to see the reactions, which is selfish, but i think it's something we all want to know, especially if we are about to leave this reality of existance. THe thing that has changed my perspective on death the most has been my depression. During that time i was suicidal, and even though i attempted it, there was something that kept stopping me (ok, ignoring the time when the rope snapped, that wasn't my choice) and i've never been able to work out what it was/is, which annoys me, because i don't know why i'm still living, all i know is that there is something that makes me want to keep living on some level. It's very possible that this is mere survival instinct, or just fear of death again, but perhaps it's because i do have a purpose, and i am being kept here. To be honest, i favour survival instinct, but it's a theory. As for AP reducing the fear of death...i doubt it, for me personally. It's a bit like asking do dreams reduce your fear of death? I see them as similiar things, with some higher meaning, but mainly a product of myself, and therefore irrelevent to the afterlife.
Quote from: Contenteo on May 31, 2012, 14:31:49
I can't argue with a man who wants to see that facts for himself. That's cautious and noble. However, if you don't want to almost die, you may want to take a statistical route. A good amount of research has been done with objectively rating NDE individual cases. You can take that data, and find a pattern.
Here's one of the many sites I found a while ago when I was first researching this. Most of the research seems to be happening outside America.
http://www.integralworld.net/vanlommel.html (http://www.integralworld.net/vanlommel.html)
Cheers,
Contenteo
Thanks Contenteo, I'll check those links out.
I'm hoping that there are other ways to find personal compelling evidence that I can find convincing without almost dying first :)
Quote from: Chaos Mage on June 01, 2012, 03:05:48
I've heard people in the chat lines say, "There is no death."
Around that time, I was very depressed, suicidal, and suffering from both neuroleptic shock, withdrawals, and anxiety attacks. I over dosed on pills, but woke up gradually over a few days, and returned to reality. Apparently, based on the condition of the house and cuts on my body, my physical body got up, vomitted out the pills, and was even walking around town and talking to people. This does not bode well, yet, it seems that the non conscious part of me survived. Does that make sense? That the consciousness was impaired, yet the physical body survived by controlling itself?
At that same time, I was making contact with various occult groups, and even experienced astral invaders, which my cat also responded too with violent attacks to defend my prone, sedated body. Is there a link between connection to an occult group and a suicide shortly after? And then for the body to survive it, simply by becoming so violently ill that the body hijacked it's own controls and got up, promptly fell against various objects in the house, got sick, and then began to go a step further and check people out in town, I mean really, that's amazing.
So in one case, we have the spirit body, and in another, we have the physical. It is said that when these are in direct alignment, there is no confusion, energy for sensory feats or psychic ability, and also, power to move the physical body beyond the limits of what is normally thought to be corporeal reality.
Well enough of that, I just wanted to add, if the Spirit is infinite and absolute, also, transcending and generating the physical, then we can power up our spirits and go astral directly from a meditative standpoint. Whether we die, or whether we transcend, it doesn't matter, we still return to the Spirit level. Banishing can also have the same effect.
I've had NDE and mine were very linear. I watched my body die, and then my reality began to reconfigure itself, going through phases in which entities and gods and things appeared and took care of the matter, and finally, I watched myself return to reality in a mystical burst of voidal energy. It's like I went into the astral, and travelled to specific planar focals, and revived. I wake up in bed, and I look fantastic, can't really complain about that.
Thanks Chaos Mage, I was a drunk for 2 decades and I regularly suffered from blackouts so can imagine how that must have been. I once split up with a girlfriend and had no memory of it afterwards. Your experience with an NDE is fascinating.
Quote from: tomcat941 on June 01, 2012, 15:17:49
To be honest, the knowledge off AP and even my own unitentional OOBE has done nothing to change me perspective of death. At the moment, i'm not sure where i stand with my view on the afterlife. I don't believe that everyone has a purpose, because if you look at some people, you can see that they have contributed nothing. Although, i'm not in a posistion and never will be to judge the worth of someones life, and no one knows everything about someone, so i can't really say that they haven't done something wortwhile. Plus there is the fact that just because you have a purpose, doesn't mean you will achieve it. As for death, i fear the death of others, because regardless of what comes next, it is still a seperation that may last forever. The thing that frustrates me the most about death is my inability to form a belief about what happens, or even know what i want to happen. I do not fear my own personal death, the on l y thing that annoys me is that i might not be around to see the reactions, which is selfish, but i think it's something we all want to know, especially if we are about to leave this reality of existance. THe thing that has changed my perspective on death the most has been my depression. During that time i was suicidal, and even though i attempted it, there was something that kept stopping me (ok, ignoring the time when the rope snapped, that wasn't my choice) and i've never been able to work out what it was/is, which annoys me, because i don't know why i'm still living, all i know is that there is something that makes me want to keep living on some level. It's very possible that this is mere survival instinct, or just fear of death again, but perhaps it's because i do have a purpose, and i am being kept here. To be honest, i favour survival instinct, but it's a theory. As for AP reducing the fear of death...i doubt it, for me personally. It's a bit like asking do dreams reduce your fear of death? I see them as similiar things, with some higher meaning, but mainly a product of myself, and therefore irrelevent to the afterlife.
Thanks tomcat, maybe I'm barking up the wrong tree but looking for these answers in the astral. It just seems the logical place for me to look at the moment. Maybe the best that I can hope for is that my search of evidence that consciousness survives death will keep my mind occupied :)
QuoteI don't believe that everyone has a purpose, because if you look at some people, you can see that they have contributed nothing.
I don't know if everyone has a purpose but I think it is possible. Maybe however we can split people into two groups those who have direct purposes and those who have indirect purposes. Those who have direct purposes are quite proactive in what they do and you can see they have contributed whilst those who have indirect purposes are a little different. In that you can't see their purpose based on contribution but indirectly they do have a purpose.
Chaos theory explains it really well I think though I am sure you've heard of it let me explain it again for the benefit of anyone who doesn't. Basically the theory goes that a small action can create a big reaction eg a butterfly in the UK can cause a hurricane in the USA. So how does that relate to purpose? Well say someone does something be it physically or mentally say for instance they are generous for once in their lives to someone that could then transfer to the person they are generous too making them more generous and so on and so on.
Ofcourse it's not like a major purpose but it is something! So I do think it is theoretically possible.
i have to wonder if part of our body or mind HAS to partially die in order for people to astral project
Do you die each time you fall asleep at night? Nope. :)
I think it depends on the individual. For me, my fear of death stems from simply no long existing. I hate death for that reason. How can someone be around one minute and completely gone the next? For me its a question of "Does the brain create the consciousness or is the brain a vessel for it?" Astral Projection could provide the opportunity to prove to yourself that your brain is merely a vessel, as you are in effect projecting your consciousness away from your physical body. If you come to the conclusion that your consciousness can live outside your physical body, then your fear of death will be reduced because you can be sure that there is more existence to come when that happens.
Hi,
And then comes countless verifications from the deceased where the traveller had absolutely no knowledge of the info given.
Travelling around yourself is the only hands on proof you're going to really believe. Go learn this art, your answers are awaiting, soon to become very clear.
Safe travels.
In my opinion, most certainly.
It took me a few times, though (because a part of you still thinks it was a funny dream or something...)
But after the 5th one, your cynism starts to go, as you finally have to say to yourself that there is no such thing as death...and the fear reduces... (energy cannot be created nor destroyed, and you are energy)
Of course, the more you AP, the more you appreciate and respect life, and show more compassion for people.
I feel so lucky to be able to AP on a (fairly) regular basis (had 2 this morning, but they wern't long...)
Just my thoughts...
:-)
Solving the mystery of death is just the beginning... then you run into even deeper mysteries. It's like an episode of Lost.
Quote from: Stookie_ on July 18, 2012, 11:32:01
It's like an episode of Lost.
:lol: :lol: :lol:
True
Quote from: Barnowl on July 18, 2012, 10:58:09
But after the 5th one, your cynism starts to go, as you finally have to say to yourself that there is no such thing as death...and the fear reduces... (energy cannot be created nor destroyed, and you are energy)
This is a very good point.
If you want to look at it this way, that, in the assumed 'beginning of God', the Great Spirit formed itself by 'absolute potential manifests absolute potential'. That Spirit would be the form of God, both 0 and infinite space, transcendent of all frequencies thereafter a detraction from that Spiritual value. So flesh, form, and our 'existence', is actually a detraction from absolute potential or spiritual reality. Perhaps the only way to truly die is to have no heart or belief concerning the spiritual reality.
It's like our existence, at the quantum level, is all just vibrations of potential. Kinetics right? There are densities of 'particles', but those particles themselves are only detractions from the Spirit, or, Baseline. A lot of people get upset when they get told that "There is a God", I don't know why that is. Seems to me that God gave us a Soul, and that Soul is the arrangement of potentials for a spiritual reality. And another thing, bound to be glorious for those in aspiration. that, the more flesh that you become, then the more spiritual potential that you have. Is that right?
It's kind of confusing at first, at least to me. I know, I've been dead before, I watched them dump my body over the boat, I watched them bury it up north, and other times. How I came back so many times, well, I can only say it was The Master Therion and Jehovah God working together, that's as far as I've got it figured out. When your 'body' dies, your soul returns to it's source, which, is the Spirit. It's nice to have a body, but the flesh is frail, almost feeble, it breaks, cuts, and scrapes easily. I guess it's just part of becoming a flesh, going away from Spirit World, that we can aspire back towards it. That, in my view, is a form of conscious momentum. Perhaps Death and Life are just different states of being, that, if God's Spirit is the Absolute Potential, then death is actually a way for us to return to Spirit, and reorganize and gain better vantage for our experience of a construct like reality.
Quote from: Chaos Mage on July 26, 2012, 22:20:36
Perhaps Death and Life are just different states of being, that, if God's Spirit is the Absolute Potential, then death is actually a way for us to return to Spirit, and reorganize and gain better vantage for our experience of a construct like reality.
:) I like how you put that