YAY My first astral projection!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[shedt]

I'm happy for you that you had a projection.... but...

A) do you kick little kids in real life?

B) did the women consent too you following her? with the intent too have sex?

C) do you spy and or walk right into someone's house? pull the shower curtain and peak on strangers?

i have yet too project, but i would believe that some laws / rules of society exist in the astral. personally, i think that your actions were morally wrong. but maybe you did not have a astral projection per say but just a lucid dream.
well anyways,
take care!
-from shawn

[shedt]

hey i just wanted too post again too tell you that i was not trying too nag you out. i'm just alittle concerned. but maybe you were just dreaming. and also you could not be anything like that in real life. i just thought that when out of your body your thoughts / mind / spirit would be more pure. but maybe not. anyways, take care!
-from shawn

[Glacius]

Glad your happy I made it out after all my hard work!! I was not expecting the judgmental response you presented me with from such an open minded community. I have not had a response as negative as that my entire time on the internet exploring and discussing with other interested and wise people. Everyone I have encountered has given me the most freindly, and encouraging advise. Maybe I can explain to you who I am, and the morrels I have to show that I am not a negative person. That is the last impression I wanted to give on my first post at this wonderfully looking site.

And I dont kick little kids!!!!  I dont suppose I really know if she consented to me following her with the intent of sex. I did not seem to find her afterwards, so I did not have the oportunity to ask her. She seemed to want me to follow. She seemed playful towards me, urging to follow. She did not speak, just smiled. I guess I got the impression that she was interested from the body language. Its not quite clear. She entered the house, and the door was left wide open, as if expecting me. The house was empty, and so I entered. From there I met the child, which was a part of me, we both came to the conclusion of. Maybe what you were tought as morally wrong may be wrong, or not apply to these different demensions. Ofcoarse, in objective reality, or what you want to call as" the world we/you live in", denies the freedom of thought and expression the astral allows. Maybe you would understand if you travelled there?? Thoughs seem to have instant effect on yourself, and the world around you in the astral. In my situation, everything seemed so at home, yet not. Like in alice and wonderland. Ofcoarse I would have asked the being or person if they wanted to engage beforehand!!! I am not an astral rapist or whatever the heck you would call it!!!!!

  And when you project, you will know it. Its not a lucid dreaming at all.

  Acually following the woman seemed to lead me to an important lesson about myself. Remember, conciousness is always expanding, and we will never know the whole truth. Maybe astral projection is nothing more than concious transition into the dream state?? Than rules like that seem absolute folly. I would go about dictating to me about morrels unless your some sort of god. Everyone has a degree of imperfection, and morally, in the sense that you understand, I am extremely more than most on this plane we exist in.

  Regardless, I didnt hurt or disburb any entity, or harm anything in any manner so therfore my actions were not morally wrong. Maybe now, you will see reality from the top of the mountain, instead of stumbling around in a dark forest of false beleives and asumptions and learn to put the peices together from your own prospective, yet be at peice with existence,and be a part of the forest, loving and understanding the creatures in it without deciding what is evil, and forgiving ignorance?? Love is understanding of people who also love. One will never know until one understands.

I love Pink Floyd!!

[Glacius]

Oh hey, thanks for realizing your post may have offended. It did slightly. I hope I elaborated the situation in my reply. ANd no.....it was not a lucid dream trust me!! Wait till you project you will know exactly what I am talking about. You know the reference robert makes in the treatise on projection:"its like conparing a super computer to a childs calculator"?? While, thats about how far apart the two are. I expereince lucid dreams allllll the time, but this was not one of them. This was a fully consiouss projection!!!!! The signs are tell tail to say the least. Vibrating, REM, buzzing sound, astral vision, preasure in chakra areas, floating sentation, seeing my astral body acually float up, the clarity of conciousness, the absolute real surrounds. Not dream surrounding. They are just as real, if not more real that physical. You would simply not understand unless you expereince it. I recognized the ethereal realm. As there is always a point, during projection were one is temporarily in elreal form, wetaher recalled or not. Then wham, reality shift to alice and wonderland aka"astral realm". Things changing, taking into mind the sensitivity of astral matter to though(to quote Robert). Deffinatly AP!! Returning to the physical with a memory of the event more clear and real than any other memory. Now you see, that it was indeed projection.

I love Pink Floyd!!

[Glacius]

You provide me with wondeful phylisophical insight!! From my understanding, according to what Robert Bruce says, there are different planes of reality. This is a mixture of different readings and understanding I have aquired in the last few months: There is a state in which one is pure, and to some, that may be reaching the 7th level of heaven, ones soul will become pure, and join the oneness of everything. "the consiousness"!! Or maybe you become pure at level 6, whatever. Maybe this is nervana, when there are no thoughts or desires?? Whatever this is, as a spiritual being, would not our sexual desires still be a part of us?? In essence, no matter how pure one attempts to make one pure, is it not our nature to still have sexual desires?? Depending on what you would believe to be pure, this can change dramatically acording to yourself. Our understanding of pure, may only be perceived by us through what we know, at that time to be pure. How, with our limited expereince, are we able to perceive this, when we do not know what it is?? With our level of understanding, comparred to what there is to know about reality, we cannot attempt to even understand it, unless we expereince it.* Back to the computer alalogy*

  So, we must now attempt to define pure..........??........... Do you know?? Is it total good?? What is total good?? Do we expereince the desire for sex as an evil thing??  Maybe our desire can be spritually explained, as us being pure. Now, me being the person I am desires a female companion. It is not a flesh desire for sex. Anyone that I, being the person I am that I would want to be with, may guide this desire. A joining of two souls, so to speak. Maybe sex, as we perceive it is the essence of us. We are here because of it. We are here because of the joining of two souls, physically anyways. MAybe this is not such a bad thing?? anyways, the whole thing relates to my other *metaphor alalogy thingy*, on a higher level of understanding. which is also one of the insights of the *mountain part of the wisdom*. MAybe by showing my view, and getting offended I contracticted the very faoundation apun which my understanding was based. Oh well, like the other part,* noone is perfect.*

The stars are refrences to the explaination.

   I have always imagined finding a spiritual being on a different plane that I want to connect with. One that is good. Kind of like a relationship in a different level of existence. Amazing!! Itwould be really neat, think about it. Do you acually think you can move to a different reality beyond the physical? if so, would you want a girlfreind from another plane?? It would be great!! Now, suppose astral projection is a mere travel into the human mind. Not quite that pathetic, but comparred to the other theory quite more understandable. Then it wouldnt make any sort of difference. The problem is, explaining the my girlfreind that I have an inter-dimmentional relationship. Hhaha.

Anyways, back to the fact. Always, constantly re-evaluate your understanding of good and evil, as you expereince through your eyes, keeping on open mind. Anyone with an open mind will know what is good. This is a very helpful tool for life in general, and is what I have learned thorugh my spiritual expereinces. It can change yourself for the better.

I love Pink Floyd!!

[Glacius]

Oh, and that forest saying is not directed at you. Its meant for explaining things to stupid, hatful people on the net in a clear and easy to understand matter. It had to be written with authority(just a joke) And I supose it had to stay in its original form.

I love Pink Floyd!!

[shedt]

ok where do i start? you posted alot so i'm just going too start wherever. what is good and what is bad? well those are vague turns. but for me, if you are service to self,  that is kinda bad. if you server others that is good. do you give light and send it outwards, touching ourself as it shines and touches others, or do you serve yourself and take it away from others? now i don't want too get into details but let's leave it at that. morales? what ever morales you or i think we have, more then likely are wrong. on higher levels of existances,  the farther you go up the more truths are unveiled. this is somthing i kinda learned in Falun Dafa. such things as greed, sexual desire etc, too me are negative. now when i say sexual desires understand what i mean. too want too forfill your pyhsical desire for yourself. it's is a self-serving thing. for me, in the universe there is a thing called "freewill" when you step on someone's free will, i believe you get karma for this. example, kicking a small child out of anger.  on some level though, the person that you "stepped on" i believe agrees too this, because of the exchange of De (white substance) and Karma (black substance) so, but looking at your post, you did not state that she "flirted" with you. it was more like" i see sexy girl, i followed her home" acting on your self-serving human attachment too forefill your desire too please yourself physically. that on the lowest level in existance is exceptable too most, wanting too forefill your desires (that i personally believe we as humans are on) so this kinda explains why i posted what i did with out typing 20 pages or more, if you noticed my second post explained kinda why i posted in the first place. concern. live your life and learn as you must. in the end it's pretty much (i believe) the same. you either sink along the fall or float. which will you do?
take care!
-from shawn

[shedt]

Glacius here:
Regardless, I didnt hurt or disburb any entity, or harm anything in any manner so therfore my actions were not morally wrong. Maybe now, you will see reality from the top of the mountain, instead of stumbling around in a dark forest of false beleives and asumptions and learn to put the peices together from your own prospective, yet be at peice with existence,and be a part of the forest, loving and understanding the creatures in it without deciding what is evil, and forgiving ignorance?? Love is understanding of people who also love. One will never know until one understands.

Shawn here:
maybe you should think more about what you post. i personally believe no matter who you are, what level you are on, we are all in a "forest" how do you know for sure your actions were not wrong? read the article about astral sex. your own sexual thoughts could be transmited 9if i understood the article) unto someone without thier consent. maybe that is why you could not find the woman? maybe the child, as you say, was there as some sort of guilt? and hmmmmmmm you kicked yourself? i don't care too think think think about it, but i usually try too use common sense. assaulting someone /somthing is usually not a nice thing too doo, wether it is in the physical or astral. wether it is yourself or somone else. but hey that is just my take on it.

Glacius here:
Oh, and that forest saying is not directed at you. Its meant for explaining things to stupid, hatful people on the net in a clear and easy to understand matter. It had to be written with authority(just a joke) And I supose it had to stay in its original form.

Shawn here:
did i somehow seem hateful too you? i see no other replies too your post, some natuarally i do kinda feel like it was directed at me.

Glacius here:
Anyways, back to the fact. Always, constantly re-evaluate your understanding of good and evil, as you expereince through your eyes, keeping on open mind. Anyone with an open mind will know what is good. This is a very helpful tool for life in general, and is what I have learned thorugh my spiritual expereinces. It can change yourself for the better.

Shawn here:
yes i do try too do that, keeping an open mind that what i percieve may not be real. especially things like A) time B) good / bad / evil etc.
but i have too disagree somwhat, just because you have a open mind does not mean you'll know what is right or wrong. do you believe if there is a God or Angels (not saying there is or not) that from there perspective, what we do here on a mortal pyhsical plane is "good" i personally don't think so. we would not be here then IMHO

you say alot of things that are really good. we are all at our own individual "forks in the road" as far as learning goes. myself included. maybe everything i said is wrong. but anyhows. just a quick question, when you post are you high on some drugs? not that i htink that is wrong. but your thought process / pattern reminds me of that. nice chain of thoughts though. and like i said with my second post, i was not trying too nag you out, i was more-so concerned. somthings i believe in the astral realm may not take kindly too you following them home and or assaulting them. you can never really take a chance.... or you could, it's your own freewill. take care
-from shawn

[Glacius]

Haha, very observant of you!! As you can see, my thought proccesses are scattered, and uncomplete due to the fact I had just smoked a joint beforehand. And yes, serving others is probably the thing that I understand to be considered the best understanding of good I have. That is why I exist,  to help other people. Although, my desires are also an important part of me. If I had no desires, I would not have projected to the astral realm in the first place!! One of my desire is to be good to others. It makes me feel good, better about myself, and gives good karma. These are things I desire. To see others happy. Whatever you do, desire has a small part to play, even to the most holy, I beleive. It makes sense. Maybe when a higher level of existence is shown to me my opinion might change.

And lets forget I even said I kicked the child. It was more of a freindly kick that happened without me thinking about it. You have to be there to know. Here is what happened as exact detail as I can remember.

I open the shower certain.
"hey" I said!!   "Your just a little kid"!!

Little kid-"Yes I am"

"what happened to the beautiful girl"!!

"No response"

"Who are you"??

"I am someone that masturbates in the shower all day"!! (do not ask me why he said this)!!  

"But your only 5 years old"!!!!

"so"

At this, I became extremely fightened of the child. He was really wierd, and scared me alot with these wierd replies to my questions. One thing I learned from this is to get over my fear. I did that by resuming the conversation.

I noticed he had lost his left hand, and it was just a stub.

"how did you loose you left hand"??

"from masturbating to much"    

Then I noticed it was his left hand. At that, I spoke aloud

"hey, I am left handed too". Are you a part of me?? I asked. He nodded his head. I explained to him that he was a part of my sexual desires, in human form. I talked openly with him about this with great fear. This little kid was pretty damn wierd, it was firgtening to talk with him. I suppose the biggest lesson I learned was to face my fears. Maybe something was giving me a lesson?? That following my physical desires on the astral was wrong, and by seeking the woman, I was being wrong. She was flirty though!!! But she wasnt. I cant explain. Telepathy is the only thing I can come up with. Maybe it was a lesson to face my fears??


     I suppose it might be a while before I learn wether or not my actions were wrong. I bleleive I handled the situation quite well considering the circumstancing. These are that it is the first time I have ever floated out of my body and expereinced a different realm of existence, consiously. Not really your everyday activity, eh?? haha.  And the forest was directed to wisdom, to whomever wanted to read it. Just a good saying, thats all. And I supose the layout of your first post seemed sort of hatful, yet not in a sense. Just, I feel it was a nasty way of wording it, you know. Like a) do you kick little kids in real life? Now, thats not a very nice thing to say to someone, and for somwone who is astral projecting, it seemed out of place. No one that has ever been there would say that, because they realize how strange the whole thing is. Maybe I got the wrong impression, sorry. Regardless all my posting last night was basically for insight, to everyone about not being jugmental. All those metaphors and stuff can be simplified, I just like using them. And yes, being openminded does not let you know the difference between right and wrong, but the more you learn, the more factors are involved in interpreting right and wrong. One cannot learn without a degree of openess. The more we learn, the better understanding we have of right and wrong. We are choosing the hardest topic in the world to discuss!! Right and wrong. Things just keep popping into my mind before I can type them. Well, no matter lets just be, and try and be good!! Thats what its all about. Intention!!
     


I love Pink Floyd!!

[--ViciouS--]

Hey Glacius!  I already know about your experience, but im gonna post anyways.  

Maybe the kid just represents a certain part of your life, that you aren't to comfortable with, you did say you felt really weird about him.  Anyways, there's nothing wrong with sex. At. All.  Relax, if it wasn't for sex, none of us would be here.  Every living thing reproduces somehow.  *Shakes head* Repressed. http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/images/icon_Smile_wink.gif" border=0>
And if that chick was a real being, then you'd probably just know she was, and you wouldn't just 'try something'.  Or she'd at least let you know.
Just cause most religions teach that it's wrong doesn't mean sh*t.

Also, who exactly decides what is 'good' or 'bad', or moral or immoral, and who cares?  And no, I don't think that there are any 'laws' in the astral.    Who cares what society thinks anyway?

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Whatever happens...happens.

[Glacius]

quote:Originally posted by --ViciouS--:
Hey Glacius!  I already know about your experience, but im gonna post anyways.  

Maybe the kid just represents a certain part of your life, that you aren't to comfortable with, you did say you felt really weird about him.  Anyways, there's nothing wrong with sex. At. All.  Relax, if it wasn't for sex, none of us would be here.  Every living thing reproduces somehow.  *Shakes head* Repressed. http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/images/icon_Smile_wink.gif" border=0>
And if that chick was a real being, then you'd probably just know she was, and you wouldn't just 'try something'.  Or she'd at least let you know.
Just cause most religions teach that it's wrong doesn't mean sh*t.

Also, who exactly decides what is 'good' or 'bad', or moral or immoral, and who cares?  And no, I don't think that there are any 'laws' in the astral.    Who cares what society thinks anyway?

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Whatever happens...happens.

Haha, ya thats about how I feel. bonk it, I am just going to go with the flow and learn what I can. Screw morrels in the astral, I will learn them for myself.



I love Pink Floyd!!

[Glacius]

Ok, I finaly made it after all this hard work!!!! This morning I woke up at around 6 in the morning and read about projection for about half an hour then attempted to project. Everything went normaly, and I started to enter trance, focus on my third eye and all that. Everything was cool.
I was drifting into and out of conciousness. I remember this is extremely hazy and I have bad memory of it. It seemed as though at one point I lost consiousness and woke up in the astral. I didnt really know weather I was there or not, I wasnt quite sure. My brother was tlking to me, but everything he said was unclear. Yet I still could not figure out weather it was in the astral or not. I regained consiousness in sleep paralysis after these dream "episodes" took place, yet I did not remember them until after the initial expereince of projection which is odd. I will explain that part now. So, I am in sleep paralysis, and then notice that with my will I could start the projection sytoms(REM,vibrations) with ease. "Finaly", I thought!!! So I kept making them last longer every time as I got over the fear I felt with them. I cant beleive how intense they were!! Way more than anything I have ever expereinced. Then my astral vision started to kick in during one of these attempts, and I saw my feet in a horizontal postion shaking sort of. IT was terrifying, it felt like I was being possessed, I the thought occured to me for a second. I have no fear of this, but have read it is a natural fear that people have. This episode was really scary so I stopped it and saw my legs back down in the normal position. Then I started again, and they rose up again. Now, I though that my body would look different in the ethereal realm, but it didnt. I could even see the hairs on my legs, as they rose up horizontaly. With great effort, I continued the prosses and found myself out!!!!!!!!! During the transition stage I remembered what I had read, and that after all this crazy wierd sh*t happens, verything will be peicful, and the sensatinos will go away. Thats what happened. I was floating above my body. I am out, I thought!!!!!!!!!!!! Yay, what to do. Well aparantally I just went with the flow. I spun around and drifted out my window. I was facing the oposite direction that I was moving. I saw my room, and house get further away, and I stopped on the road by my house. WOW!! I was in the ethereal realm. There was no snow on the ground, it was areally nice day. AT that point I wanted to change my reality. With the thought of that, I started to sink towards the ground.

I closed my eyes, or whatever I did. I made everything dark, and I expereinced a reality shift, and entered the astral realm. I can tell I was there because things were changing during the time I was there. I was in suberbia somewhere. I remember standing in the road talking to someone, but I cant remeb=mber who or what I was talking to/about. Its the only part of the expereince that is unclear. Then I noticed a really atractive female go by. She had awhite shirt and jeans on, and was on roller blades. Im like "sweet, lets go have sex"!! So I followed her, and he went into a house. I entered and was looking for her. The house was strange and really small for some reason. It was decorated for christmas. I searched the house looking for her, and came to the bathroom. Someone was hiding behind the shower certain. Yay, its the hot chick!! I thought. We can have sex now, in the shower. I pulled back the certains, and to my utter disapointment, there was a little kid standing there. I was anoyyed!! Where did the hot woman go!! So I kicked him gently to show my anger!! Then I started talking with him. It was freaky at first, cuz he was wierd. I was a little frightened of him at first,but then I talked to him some more, and I was not as scared. I realized he was a part of myself, and we both agreed on that. I left, and then I found myself back in my body. I thought about the expereince with my eyes closed, and was extremely exited to have had my first expereince. Yay!!!!! I am so happy I finally made it out and about on the astral realm!!!!!!!!!!!!

I love Pink Floyd!!