@Astral-travelers: Why don't you help in locating criminals / terrorists?

[vanko]

-If one attempts dayly to archive an OBE, one will have 1 til 3 OBEs in one month. The OBEs during the first years are even rarer.
-Every 5th till 20th OBE leads to a desired location.
-Informations gathered during a OBE in the real Time zone have still a deviation quote, so that these have to be verified by one till 3 other astral travellers.

That are so extreme hard conditions, that even no scientist has enough patience to wait for under laboratory conditions generated desired results.

Astral travel may not be as fascinating as I thought.

[proyect_outzone]

OBEs are fascinating, but OBEs are not as frequent and as controlled, as one usually thinks.

The only problem with verifications is, that verifications occur usually randomly and are of random kind. Desired kinds of verifications at a desired time are the only missing thing. Sadly most people expect that desired results are there every time, if one wants them.

[Volgerle]

I read the link in your signature.   But I want to see it for myself, that's why I'm inviting astral travelers for my 4000 rupees challenge. I get that remote viewers are better at viewing remote physical things (thanks for this info.) but your link itself contains examples where people have astral projected, seen things in physical world and later verified the facts. Tell me one thing, are these terminologies right: When one astral projects then s/he has an out of body experience, known as OBE and if s/he then starts moving to other places then s/he's traveling => astral traveling.

Yes, actually, as explained in the introduction of this little page, it contains ONLY people with OBE-APs who have verified things, and NO Remote Viewers. Remote Viewing has been unders scientific investigation ever since, much more than AP. The CIA, the army, has used it and I guess they still do although the officially deny it.

I wrote a summary with some links about remote viewing recently in another forum, I might have a look at it and then re-post or link it here.

Tell me one thing, are these terminologies right: When one astral projects then s/he has an out of body experience, known as OBE and if s/he then starts moving to other places then s/he's traveling => astral traveling.

What do you understand by "other places"? That's the decisive point. You still haven't understood that most "places" are not located on the physical world as we know it. I explained this in my first reply to your thread, so let me quote myself: "As AP-er you normally go to other planes of existence (not even in this universe, but higher dimensions) and experience things and receive data that is hardly of relevance to this reality."

Regarding the terminology AP or OBE: Yes, it's anything but clear and different people understand different things about it and you can even see this in many threads here. I call what you refer to an OBE-AP. Robert Bruce (an AP expert if you don't know him) calls it RTZ-OBE, Monroe (another famous one) called it Here-Now, some here call it C1 (if I am right?) according to Frank Kepple's model, and so on.
It is the zone or plane that "is" or at least corresponds to the physical and therefore you can observe events, maybe even in "real time" (hence Bruce calls it Real Time Zone), but also post- or pre-cognitive events can be witnessed, as time in this area does not necessarily apply in the way we are. So it is not "exactly" the physical as there are energetic and dimensional overlays (also called reality fluctuations).

Most APers ONLY want to visit other realms, e.g. some especially higher realms, some others also feel attracted to more lower realms or whatever. They do not seek any proof just because they don't need proof. Most never had any validation and still they intuitively know that they don't need any evidence that "this is real" (as real as the physical world) because the "Larger Reality" (to quote another AP Guru, physicist T. Campbell, see for example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MxECb7zcQhQ ) exists. They have evolved beyond the need to prove sth for themselves because on a deep soul level they just KNOW. They don't care about the materialist illusion anymore.

I wonder why not the people listed in your link start winning the skeptics' challenges I've talked about.

Exactly for the reason as explained above, most don't need to. As the accounts also show you, some just "did it" by accident, some were one-timers and they are far from being proficient projectors! They couldn't do it on a controlled bases. Navigating in a controlled way is highly difficult and it demands years of practice and discipline. I cannot do this either. Moreover: Winning such a challenge (and again: most are hoaxes and traps set by 'debunkers') wouldn't even 'attract' most of the people who have these experiences.

What do you suggest? If I post the 4000 rupees challenge on remote viewers' forum then will someone from them accept this challenge?

Maybe, yes. I don't know. Give it a shot. 

And regarding my Akashic records question, what do you think how much is it possible to read a mathematical formula from the Akashic records?

Sorry, I don't know how to do this. I wish I would. I did some attempts to get sth from history or even past lives but so far it failed for me. I am working on past lives now again, but it is a tedious process.
There are some people who have been to the records but since it is situated on the higher astral or even mental planes it's hard to get there and retrieve reliable information (and download it into your physical memory). Many NDErs have been there too. The famous life review is probably also a part of accessing Akasha. There are also many books out there who describe how to do this. So you might have a look at this kind of literature and maybe you will be motivated to try it out for yourself. Don't give up trying, it is a mistake to give up too soon. Many practicioners needed years to get there to have their first OBE or AP. Therefore: good luck! 

[Volgerle]

Had a look but I am lazy now. So since I wrote this in another forum (Tom Campbell's) a while ago I just copy it from there. It's about the investigation of Remote Viewing with a few informative links that might interest you:

Puthoffs work is much more than his examination of Geller. So one should not fix it all on this issue. He is a respected physicist who developed some important theories (that have to do with the zero point field, iirc) and worked in laser development etc. His most important work is his Remote Viewing experiments, which was then even done by/for the CIA.

See here:
http://www.scientificexploration.org/journal/jse_10_1_puthoff.pdf

Important other research on Remote Viewing (as well as RGI mind/matter experiments) was also done with success at the Princeton University (Pear Institute) by Dunne and Jahn:
http://www.princeton.edu/~pear/pdfs/1998-information-uncertainty-remote-perception.pdf
http://www.princeton.edu/~pear/experiments.html

Ok, since I am now at it, here's some more links on RV from my bookmarks I collected a few years ago:

Stephan Schwartz is another important researcher on this. He applies RV successfully to archeologal research:
http://www.stephanaschwartz.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/caravel.pdf
http://www.stephanaschwartz.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/Beaks_Cay-.pdf
http://www.stephanaschwartz.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/Eastern-Harbor.pdf
http://www.stephanaschwartz.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/Marea.pdf

Here's a physicist in Texas who worked with John McMoneagle, a famous RVer, in the area of "Microscopic Viewing":
http://faculty.physics.tamu.edu/bryan/10text.preprint.pdf

Along the same lines ... and also very interesting might be the book "Occult Chemistry" (from 1908) where experiments by the Occultists Leadbeater and Besant are documented. They described molecular structures or particles before they were actually detected in detail by science.
http://books.google.de/books?id=6L_79_pT2UEC&printsec=frontcover&hl=de&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false

Here's the RV-site from physicist R. Targ who worked with Puthoff:
http://www.espresearch.com/espgeneral/WhatWeKnow.shtml

Here's a summary of successes and failures (or at least suspected failures as some things could not be checked) of the Stargate Project:
http://www.fas.org/irp/program/collect/stargate.htm

[Everlasting]

astral projectors are not the world police.

[merkaba1111]

we can not give objective proof of the non physical. astral projection is a subjective experience it doesn't work like that. everyone's experience will vary. research quantum physics and the double slit experiment.

[vanko]

You still haven't understood that most "places" are not located on the physical world as we know it. I explained this in my first reply to your thread, so let me quote myself

Currently I am interested in making use of astral travel (and other paranormal phenomena) for benefits in this physical world.

good luck! 

Thanks, I still keep trying astral travel.

Nice links. I've only been able to briefly read some of them.

And Volgerle thank you very much, you've put too much time and effort for me

[vanko]

Thanks all of you. So currently: Astral travel is not so controlled as believers of astral travel usually think it to be; It is more appropriate for exploring astral planes; Information of this physical world obtained through astral travel is usually distorted; Remote viewers are better at viewing remote physical things and maybe remote viewers already have been helping in locating things/people.

[proyect_outzone]

Astral travel is not so controlled as believers of astral travel usually think

Astral believers know usually this fact. Only uninformed people (what includes most sceptics and (pseudo)scientists, whose are too lazy to read about the topic from real experienceers) believe, that OBEs are or should be fully controllable.

Remote viewers are better at viewing remote physical things and maybe remote viewers already have been helping in locating things/people.

Remoteviewing is definitly more suitable for searching physical things. I remember many succesful experiuments in a old german forum. But here are  in a other thread also some experiments with RV running.

But there is the same problem. The hit rate is by far not 100%. But it can be much increased, if the target is unexpected (Spare tires in kitchen or car engine in a library), because these are better visible.

[CFTraveler]

Astral believers know usually this fact. Only uninformed people (what includes most sceptics and (pseudo)scientists, whose are too lazy to read about the topic from real experienceers) believe, that OBEs are or should be fully controllable.

Ditto...
Or people who get their ideas from works of fiction, also.