Dragons, dragon souls

[daem0n]

with time you will know

okay, i conducted a scan on university campus to indentify not human essence, etc:
fae/nature kingdoms seem to be dominating, still belonging to below 1/100 ratio(1 per 100 sleeping humans), angelic essence indeed more rare, dragon essence was not present except for researcher , also some demonic essence, about the same as angelic, and some that i couldn't identify
the scan was performed by high self means, however there is always some discord present in dowloading/interpretation, so this is altogether useless information :D:D, but i had fun  

i would guess that since dragon are mostly protectors, they are not present since there is not much left to protect
that's all

[mactombs]

This topic is pretty appealing, but I do have to side with Nay on this one. When I experience it, I'll be less critical. At this point, even if I saw someone as a dragon in the astral, I would probably see that as a particular interpretation of that person rather than a true form. Maybe it's the same thing.

Anyway, if it is true about people being dragons and the like, then certainly people are biased to what they see in themselves and others. Maybe if there was a double blind study where two people interpreted someone as the same creature, it would be more convincing.

When it comes down to it, I think souls are pretty much formless.

As for that birthmark, your description kind of reminds me of the Egyptian or Greek drawings of dolphins. See:

http://www.photoseek.com/Greece/KnossosDolphinFrescoDetail.jpg

It's not as nice an example as I'd like, but it's all I could find right now. Other's look kind of boney with scales, but the rear fin is horizontal.

[Nay]

Nay: I do not believe that humans are simply humans: we are so much more than that. Each incarnation we might become either a human, a dolphine, a tree, a guide, or even incarnate on another universe. The essence behind "dragon's" is that they are guardians.

That is great that you have that belief, I just choose a different belief until I am shown otherwise.   I certaintly can't say for sure just as much as you can't.

okay, i conducted a scan on university campus to indentify not human essence, etc:
fae/nature kingdoms seem to be dominating, still belonging to below 1/100 ratio(1 per 100 sleeping humans), angelic essence indeed more rare, dragon essence was not present except for researcher Wink, also some demonic essence, about the same as angelic, and some that i couldn't identify
the scan was performed by high self means, however there is always some discord present in dowloading/interpretation, so this is altogether useless information Very HappyVery HappyVery Happy, but i had fun Wink

i would guess that since dragon are mostly protectors, they are not present since there is not much left to protect
that's all

I'll be honest... I'm giggling here.  You conducted a what?   This is why I can't take some of this serious.  Before you go getting all upset at me, don't worry, I respect James but don't agree with everything he says all of the time and we still get along like peas and carrots..

Would you like to conduct a scan on me?  But please warn me first, I'd like to be dressed.  

Nay

[CaCoDeMoN]

As for that birthmark, your description kind of reminds me of the Egyptian or Greek drawings of dolphins. See:

http://www.photoseek.com/Greece/KnossosDolphinFrescoDetail.jpg

It's not as nice an example as I'd like, but it's all I could find right now. Other's look kind of boney with scales, but the rear fin is horizontal.

Sorry, but in those dolphins rear fin is vertical, not horizontal. The birthmark is extremely different from this, and with more details. I would post a picture, but I've damaged my digital camera(two broken pins in card slot).

[daem0n]

that's why i said this is useless information, and added a lot of smilies here and there :D:D
why all of it has to be serious, this is life, illusion, dance, FUN !!!!
it really doesn't matter what we believe in, but what we do with it
whe joy ceases, energy stops to flow (i am not talking about bliss here)
it is a burden if you make it so
i will scratch your left ear several times a day

[James S]

Nay,
"That is great that you have that belief, I just choose a different belief until I am shown otherwise. I certaintly can't say for sure just as much as you can't. "
That's just as it should be my friend. I wouldn't want you to be any other way!  
A spiritual journey should be about discovering for ones self. Anything else becomes religion.

Daem0n,
good job on your scan!
What you've seen is pretty much happening all around the world right now. Nature spirits are incarnating more and more frequently now to help save Mother Earth in a more active physical way from all the damage the human race is causing her.

Kind regards,
James.

[Sentential]

Nature spirits are incarnating more and more frequently now to help save Mother Earth in a more active physical way from all the damage the human race is causing her.

Kind regards,
James.

Like all things, I do not belive that it is happening more. Instead rather we are becoming more aware of it.

[Van-Stolin]

Yes, a aura scan would be interesting.  Though you have to be in person to do this, but if you were to project then it would be only a simple matter for you to find the person, right?  Well if so then I would also like to be subject to this, I would be interested with the results.

[daem0n]

van-stolin
i sense dragon essence
nay
you are 100% human, a rare breed indeed how's your ear

(i know that i am utterly and totally wrong, and i subject myself to anyone's ultimate and utterly crushing judgement )

[VesAn]

I've heard of people reading auras and such, but how did you go about finding out whether people are human or dragon/angel/demon/other things by just looking at them, or even through scanning them over the internet?  It's an ability I am ignorant of, and I would love to hear more about it!

 Come to think of it, do a scan on me  It sounds like it'd be fun.

[James S]

Hi VesAn,

I'm not sure I could teach you how to do it more than I can tell you how I go about it and what I see.

During a typical session in my psychic development circle, we'll first go through a guided meditation. This pretty much gets us relaxed, gets our energies raised and gets us attuned with the spirit world. This really assists any psychic work we do as the energies in the room and within us are all just right. After the meditation we'll go into practicing things like psychometry or reading auras.

We usually sit in low candle light, so the more light sensitive portion of our eyes, such as peripheral vision, is given a better chance to work for us. Typically there'll be a time when some of the others are still in a meditative state - they are relaxed, their eyes are closed, and you get to see their "at rest" face.

At this time, you open yourself up to both your intuition and your imagination, and you take a good look at the other persons face in the low light.  You will "imagine" you can see other features kind of overlayed on their face, or that their face takes on an aspect of something or someone else. This aspect could be anything from an animal or spirit guide that is prevolent in that person, to a past life incarnation of that person, which is where you'll see indications that the person is an incarnated nature spirit or angel.

Sometimes the features are so strong in a person that you don't need that quiet time and half light to see.  Their physical features will often show what their spirit was before its present incarnation.  Think of a particular nature spirit, such as an elf, goblin (an earth spirit), fairy, tree spirit, think of what they might look like, then take a look at some people around you.

Now to one more controversial thought.....
As much as I'm still somewhat reserved about my thoughts on aliens, the fairy folk are quite well aware of, and quite adamant that "star-people" are also incarnating among us. I was sceptical about this until I looked at a girl in her late teens in a shopping centre that had a very quiet, studious look about her, who had a thin flat face, small nose, small mouth, and very large almond shaped eyes. I looked at her and thought OMG...ET!!!

Kind regards,
James.

[James S]

Anyways, to each their own, but I can't help but smile with the idea of findings one's inner dragon.

I don't know, you could end up finding your inner fairy instead.  

[Sentential]

Doesn't the whole dragon seem like a fad to anyone?

It seems to be the newest thing people want to be, with a whole lot of video games and everything else to push the wish forward.

Anyways, to each their own, but I can't help but smile with the idea of findings one's inner dragon.

Not that 'the soul' in each and everyone of us is an amazing thing, but I do not understand the need to push an image on it.

Yea I agree wholly. Because then the line of fantasy and reality blur a little too much. Sure it would be "cool" but seriously people..... you know deep in your heart that it isnt true.

[Van-Stolin]

Deamon I think you might have me wrong, I don't think I have any dragon aspects at all, though you might have sensed Raine, a dragon that hangs around with me all the time, though I might just be being to modest I guess.  Last I checked with myself I was a fox spirit.

[daem0n]

well, i looked for what i know
i said that i don't see things, only feel essence, i felt dragon essence, there was nothing about dragon traits/aspects at all
i have no idea how fox essence feels like
should i go to the zoo? i heard that animals in zoo's have human souls now, so i guess it would be useless
thx for modesty , i don't insist on being right at all  

[SpectralDragon]

Yea I agree wholly. Because then the line of fantasy and reality blur a little too much. Sure it would be "cool" but seriously people..... you know deep in your heart that it isnt true.

Quite the contrary, I know for a fact this is true in my case.

[CaCoDeMoN]

when i saw my dragon i know it realy is a tiny isometric point in space that has life we all are but it chose to be a dragon if it was a tree or a flower or even a duck it would have been reported as such ... but we reported dragons and if you dont belive because you have not seen it then you should try and prove air does not exist

Sorry, but point in space can't be isometric.

[CaCoDeMoN]

isometric in the dictionary is related to muscles ect... but also if you look under 3d art creation ect isometric is a point along the X Y Z axis

Sorry, but you are totally wrong about this one. I am currently developing a 3D crpg game, so I know something about it, and I am sure that you can't call point isometric. Only a transformation can be called called isometric, when it preserves lenghts of defined object.
Also the transformation described in the article you gave me link to is commonly called isometric, but it is not really isometric for all objects.

[CaCoDeMoN]

isometric means equality in all directions there is nothing more equel in all directions than 1x1y1z so yes isometric dosent state that it is a singular point in existance but is more than enough to make the point about us all haveing a tiny seed and that is realy all we are the rest is cosmetic so i guess using a big word to ilustrate a point was a mistake i dont want to split anymore hairs with you i was wrong ... i hope this thred can return to the one about dragons

Sorry, I will shut up now, but I have one thing to add: One of the most basic rules of geometry is that points don't have size at all. They have only position. If you want to argue, then PM me.

[Gandalf]

I stumbled upon this thread and took a peek out of idle curiosity, oh dear...
I sometimes despair for my fellow AP forum users!

Is this the latest fad? You are giving the rest of us a bad name!
Once again Manga/anime has worked its wicked way with gullable folk's minds!

Just a bet, but I am guessing that '2012' and a 'demon war' is also connected with dragons in some way? I wouldnt be overly suprised... a variation of the same material  

Apologies in advance for my sceptisim of this latest fad but its always good to get another point of view in the mix.. everyone is free to believe what they like afterall, so it can't do any harm.

Douglas

[Frank]

Douglas, ha ha, I did the same.

Ultimately, I guess there is nothing wrong with people exploring the realms of creative imagination. The only problems arise, as far as I can tell, is when people start believing in it as something other than creative fantasy. You see this a lot on the PSD forum where people seriously believe they are being "attacked" by "negs". At least on the whole the "drags" appear relatively harmless, lol.

I guess in hindsight we'll be able to tell whether these kinds of fads were just an idle distraction, or a necessary part of the process. They do appear, at least on the surface, to be opening young people's minds to the idea of their inner self. But I know what you mean. Many demonstrate the product of having too much information, coupled with too little understanding. :)

Yours,
Frank

[daem0n]

too many assumptions, too much judgement, too litle knowledge
we're the same
and it indeed can't do any harm, thank you for your input

[SpectralDragon]

I stumbled upon this thread and took a peek out of idle curiosity, oh dear...
I sometimes despair for my fellow AP forum users!

Is this the latest fad? You are giving the rest of us a bad name!
Once again Manga/anime has worked its wicked way with gullable folk's minds!

Just a bet, but I am guessing that '2012' and a 'demon war' is also connected with dragons in some way? I wouldnt be overly suprised... a variation of the same material  

Apologies in advance for my sceptisim of this latest fad but its always good to get another point of view in the mix.. everyone is free to believe what they like afterall, so it can't do any harm.

Douglas

Actually, no. And no, it's not a variation of the same material. You ever hear of shamanism? you should look into it sometime, cause this is what we are talking about. I am not talking about the fake shaminism that is taught, either. This is not a fad: it's quite simple actually. Shamans use animal symbolism all the time, and shaminism is one of the oldest practices.

And, as for anime and manga, I myself am a big fan of such. However, I do not believe you can do the things in anime and manga. I disagree, however, with your take on it as I do notice it "gets the ball rolling" for individuals getting into this stuff.

for any of you projectors disagreeing with this, why don't you project with one of us and see for yourself?

[LittlePenguin]

In a way it raises another question Frank and Gandalf. Is it possible to be led astray so to speak. If we assume that there is a right and wrong reality or nature or laws governing the multilayer dimensional universe, astral world or whatever we call it, would it not hinder rather than help in the gathering of information to facilitate growth. In another thread Mustang has gone to great lengths to expose the false hoods of Castaneda as an author in anything but the realm of fiction, but some get rather irritated and critical saying that it does not matter if he tells the truth or not, and they then experiment with various plants datura etc and draw conclusions in real life based on this fiction. Where is the line and when does it become counter productive. One could argue that Fundamentalist Muslim thought or Christianity for that matter also have aspects of truth and so they might also be beneficial. It is an interesting point that almost deserve a thread on its own so maybe I will make it.

Regards LittleP

[SpectralDragon]

for any of you projectors disagreeing with this, why don't you project with one of us and see for yourself?

If only things were that simple...

Besides obvious difficulties with inducing a true projection at just about the right time, and just about to go anywhere at will, the observations in such a state are clouded with expectations.

Even if I could do such a thing, my observations would be influenced by pre-existing opinions,  and what I would observe would not to be anyone's liking......right or wrong.

In the unlikely scneario that a fairly experienced projector (which I consider myself to be) would overcome the above, it is quite possible to shape shift in an OBE state. In fact, somewhere in these boards I have talked about shapeshifting into a giant lizard, and at other times into a panther. I'm still human however.

In short, a 'challenge' isn't really what this topic should be about, and merely serves as a rhetorical argument, since the difficullties asociated with such an endeavor would be pretty apparant to anyone familiar with OBEs.

A true OBE is not so unfullfilling a thing, a truly powerfull OBE is quite strong and full of form. This does, of course, depend on the way you are going about your OBE.

A truly experienced projector would know that each individual has different ways of going about an OBE, and that each way produces different results. The best way that you can find for yourself should produce an OBE strong enough to make concrete assertations in the astral/obe/mental realms.

Usually, the closer you are to having a complete shutdown of the body, the stronger and more concrete the OBE. Or, for some, they can mentally project instead with much the same results.

In short, your little pip about "experienced" projectors does not ring true with me. I have been projecting for 5-6 years.

In the unlikely scneario that a fairly experienced projector (which I consider myself to be) would overcome the above, it is quite possible to shape shift in an OBE state. In fact, somewhere in these boards I have talked about shapeshifting into a giant lizard, and at other times into a panther. I'm still human however.

Shapeshifting and having the same essence of what you look like are quite different. I don't just look like a dragon, I feel like one to other individuals.

In short, a 'challenge' isn't really what this topic should be about, and merely serves as a rhetorical argument, since the difficullties asociated with such an endeavor would be pretty apparant to anyone familiar with OBEs.

As stated above, so stated here. Any projector who is quite experienced and can actually have a real astral projection instead of a partial one, can do this. I have done so with several people allready.

In fact, most of the direct first-hand experiences mentioned in this thread to back up a claim as for having lizard genes in this thread has been me!

When people decide to actually lwilling to isten to what we are saying, maybe we can provide some evidence. Till then, it's pointless.