As you may know, I had my first set of successful WILDS to astral(F21) today.
My other post covers a couple cool things I encountered, but in this one, I want to about about a sensation I had.
To preface, all of my projections landed me softly right next to the couch on my porch where I was attempting. The weather was different in all three(morning sunshine, light snow, super-red sunset). Things in the house were fantasy different, in all three, and my check of things in the house, did not add up, and my emotions manifested, so it leaves me to believe I was in the F21 training ground.
When I went from LD to F21, I went through a serious of false awakenings on the couch. One of them consisted of me 70% covered in almost painful vibrations that controlled my movements. A thought that ran through my consciousness was that "If this is what it feels like to be possessed, this sucks, bad" I slowly got off the couch and mechanistically walked towards the door. I fought for control, but to no avail.
IDK how I ended back up on the couch, or if that was just a rendition of a false awakening.But I successfully made it to F21 and enjoyed the crap outta it.
Have any of you ever had such a sensation. I know what emotional manifestation looks and feels like, and I don't think that was it.
Cheers,
Contenteo
Quote from: Contenteo on May 15, 2011, 23:22:49
As you may know, I had my first set of successful WILDS to astral(F21) today.
It's kind of besides the point, but apparently, according to Monroe's Focus Levels... Focus 21 is the 3D Blackness/Astral Bridge... Focus 22 is what you're referring to. :)
My suggestion?
Drop the Focus talk for now... you're having experiences, that's the #1 important thing. Don't worry about wondering what Focus Level you're on at any time... just have experiences and journal them. Don't bother categorizing them... eventually, try mapping out your own consciousness continuum.
Also, continue with your experimenting. Experiment doing things... asking for things... talking to people... see what kind of information/data you can access through the non-physical state. See what kind of other reality frames you can visit.
I just believe that, for now, dropping the Focus system should be a priority. Just my opinion. :)
I don't know what an "Extreme SP" is. But I know what my own SPs are.
I can only move my eyes and open and close my eyelids. That's all I can do in SP. I _can't_ control my breath at _any_ rate!
Also, when I'm in SP, I'm clearly in C1.
I appreciated the advice Xanth. I think its some good stuff. I pretty much make models for a living, so mapping this out should be quite a interesting endeavor. I was using the nomenclature to help promote easier communication. On an unrelated note, I thought Frank's version of F22 is where all those delirious people's mind way. Where F21 was a manifestation of your own consciousness. ya Know training ground. Clarification?
As for extreme Sleep paralysis, Grey inadvertently gave me some great information. I think I was having an OBE. the intense vibrations, as per Grey's experience, sometimes occur when going OBE, plus there would be my first OBE, so I am sure I may have not been used to it. In retrospect I sat up out of the couch/my body. I never looked back to see if my body was still there, I had no control over my body, it was walking on its own. The only thing I could relate to was SP.
Next thing I know, I was in the that soft place(disputably, F21/22 :-D). So with that theory everything adds up.
Has anyone ever not had control over their body during an OBE? or had those crippling "vibrations"?
Cheers,
Contenteo
Quote from: Contenteo on May 16, 2011, 13:58:16
I appreciated the advice Xanth. I think its some good stuff. I pretty much make models for a living, so mapping this out should be quite a interesting endeavor. I was using the nomenclature to help promote easier communication. On an unrelated note, I thought Frank's version of F22 is where all those delirious people's mind way. Where F21 was a manifestation of your own consciousness. ya Know training ground. Clarification?
His "training grounds" (from his early posting days here) is Focus 22. Focus 23 are part of the Belief System Territories, and is the area you're referring to with the "delirious people" are. :)
QuoteHas anyone ever not had control over their body during an OBE? or had those crippling "vibrations"?
I don't get them. So I don't know. I think they're a byproduct of the classic separation OBEs, which are bypassed when you do Phasing.
Quote from: Contenteo on May 16, 2011, 13:58:16
As for extreme Sleep paralysis, Grey inadvertently gave me some great information. I think I was having an OBE.
...I had no control over my body, it was walking on its own. The only thing I could relate to was SP.
Please, could you explain exactly what you mean by Extreme SP. When paralyzed, you can't move. You are paralyzed. So how do you relate that to walking?
Did you have mind-split, where you saw yourself walking? Because, in that case, you had a mind-split, as described by Robert Bruce. Robert Bruce's mind-split effect.
Quote from: Contenteo on May 16, 2011, 13:58:16Next thing I know, I was in the that soft place(disputably, F21/22 :-D).
F 21 = A kind of black void, which is part of the ELS and provides a sideways exit to _other_energy_systems_, like Locale III, as described in Monroe's first book.
F 22 = Dream land, where we are when we dream, LD, or are highly intoxicated, having extremely high fever, on heavy drugs or being very insane.
QuoteHas anyone ever not had control over their body during an OBE?
Yes, when I hit my forties I began to have experiences in which I would involuntarily separate, and then float around paralyzed (that is, in a paralyzed energy body). At first I didn't even connect this to OBE (thought I was being abducted) and after years of going through this learned to induce projections (OBEs) and learned techniques (energy work) to take control of the situation, and it worked.
Sometimes when you bilocate you experience paralysis as you are dreaming/projecting because the physical body feedback is there, and it causes you to feel the paralysis while projected. This can be improved by focusing on the (astral) landscape and disengaging further with your body.
Quoteor had those crippling "vibrations"?
I don't get vibrations anymore upon separation, but I occasionally get them upon reintegration. I actually enjoy them.
The more I see the descriptions of these F21s and F22s and F this and F that in this Forum the more I dislike Monroe's categories. Monroe should have stopped at
Journeys Out of the Body. I see now why Kepple felt that he should simplify the Wider Reality Model. Now I think that even he was slightly biased by Monroe.
I just read this nonsense:
Quote from: Pauli2 on May 16, 2011, 16:43:28
F 22 = Dream land, where we are when we dream, LD, or are highly intoxicated, having extremely high fever, on heavy drugs or being very insane.
Seriously? Come on! :lol:
read up on ur Monroe
LMAO! :lol:
No thanks. I think he should have stopped at his first book. His model is flawed in my opinion. But you wouldn't know anything about that because I'm pretty sure you read all his books, otherwise you wouldn't keep talking about F21s and 22s and so forth. I say F everything! LOL! :-D
then u write a book
I am as a matter of fact! 8-)
Summer
No, No, I agree. With the dreamland thing.
Don't forget, its just a descriptive placeholder to "thingify" something that is actually intangible.
What I don't agree with is his sequential model, nor Frank's attempt to improve upon. You can't improve a system that is fundamentally wrong. I think they are both accurate in their facts, but not in their appearance. That is why I am making a new one. For instance, can anyone concretely identify F15? I mean wtf. Why should that hold the same nomenclature status at a F10 or F22. It is merely a transition and should be labeled as such.
Thank you CF - that is completely in accordance what I have come to believe over the last 24 hours of research. It's insane, I never thought an OBE would feel "that" way. After making the my model, I can see how easy it is for someone to confuse these states.
Pauli
In retrospect I missnamed the thread. Its the only thing I could relate it too, because I did not know that you could feel paralyzed and possessed in an OBE state. I fought my body and I could not stop what it was doing. Every time I tried to move a limb I was met with intense vibrations that crippled my attempts. I have come out of a dream before and had SP, then, my body was seething in vibrations and I could not move it/had no control. That was the closest thing I could relate this experience too. Again sorry for the confusion.
Definitely not a mind split. I had my own POV. In my desperation, I did not look back to see if my body was still on the couch. Nor could I if that thought could make it into my mind.
Cheers,
Contenteo
Quote from: Pauli2 on May 16, 2011, 17:18:26
then u write a book
First thing, I'll just say that being a published author doesn't mean you're any smarter or more experienced. It just means you're published... NOTHING MORE.
And you're seriously limiting yourself by this particular line of thinking. But feel free to continue limiting yourself... it's your life afterall.
Quote from: Summerlander on May 16, 2011, 17:16:40
LMAO! :lol:
No thanks. I think he should have stopped at his first book. His model is flawed in my opinion. But you wouldn't know anything about that because I'm pretty sure you read all his books, otherwise you wouldn't keep talking about F21s and 22s and so forth. I say F everything! LOL! :-D
Secondly, Summer... Monroe's Focus Model is actually fairly simply to figure out. While I, personally, have moved on from using it... it does have it's place as a 'guide', but really nothing more than that. The same holds true for Monroe's earlier model from JOTB. It's personal preference really. :)
As someone who's been over on the Astral Viewers site, your system of "modes" has about the same kind of ring for me as Monroes Focus Model does for you. It's all just personal preference. In the end, I think people would vastly benefit by completely dropping these systems and just experience without worrying about categorizing.
Quote from: Contenteo on May 16, 2011, 17:27:57
Definitely not a mind split. I had my own POV. In my desperation, I did not look back to see if my body was still on the couch. Nor could I if that thought could make it into my mind.
The "Mind Split" (ala Bruce) is just his way of explaining the sensation of experiencing more than one reality frame at a time. It's hit interpretation, it's his metaphor for it.
Quote from: Xanth on May 16, 2011, 18:34:48
And you're seriously limiting yourself by this particular line of thinking.
But feel free to continue limiting yourself... it's your life afterall.
Have the thought struck you, that you're limiting yourself by thinking everything is a metaphor?
But feel free to continue limiting yourself... it's your life after all. :)
Quote from: Pauli2 on May 17, 2011, 07:37:50
Have the thought struck you, that you're limiting yourself by thinking everything is a metaphor?
But feel free to continue limiting yourself... it's your life after all. :)
:? I think Xanth is being nothing but clear and consice in his view points.
Quote from: Contenteo on May 16, 2011, 13:58:16
Has anyone ever not had control over their body during an OBE? or had those crippling "vibrations"?
I'm yet to even gain control during an OBE!!! :lol: The last one that I had I was rushed down the stairs and out straight through my front door. Once I finally realised what was going on, I tried to go to the moon but I got quite exited at what was happening, so instead I sank into the ground and then woke up!!
Quote from: Contenteo on May 16, 2011, 17:27:57
Summer
No, No, I agree. With the dreamland thing.
Don't forget, its just a descriptive placeholder to "thingify" something that is actually intangible.
What I don't agree with is his sequential model, nor Frank's attempt to improve upon. You can't improve a system that is fundamentally wrong. I think they are both accurate in their facts, but not in their appearance. That is why I am making a new one. For instance, can anyone concretely identify F15? I mean wtf. Why should that hold the same nomenclature status at a F10 or F22. It is merely a transition and should be labeled as such.
I agree. You're right. And I agree with Xanth too.
Quote from: Pauli2 on May 17, 2011, 07:37:50
Have the thought struck you, that you're limiting yourself by thinking everything is a metaphor?
But feel free to continue limiting yourself... it's your life after all. :)
Absolutely not. Actually, and you may laugh at Thomas Campbell for saying it's all "data", but we create our own worlds in order to make sense. Things have to make sense for us according to how we view this reality which is erroneous anyway. Like never before, science is more aware of the fact that in this world, the way we view things...the translation by our brains and minds so to speak...isn't accurate so don't kid yourself. This is even more noticeable in the OOBE-state, particularly in metaphysical environments where you pretty much interpret what you perceive and the "data" is manipulable too.