Last night I was in a dream at my mom/dads house where I was in the kitchen. There was someone else with me which I think it was my wife.
At the time, I knew in the back of my head that Freddy Kruger was out and about and going to show himself to me. There's a door in the kitchen that leads to the basement. I decided to 'mentally' open the door with my mind using my finger tip to turn the door knob. It actually worked and out came Freddy all burnt, wearing the hat, scarred and with his fierce blades on his hands.
I know there was a struggle between me and Freddy while we fought. At times I could feel Freddy's knives slice into me as he laughed. Somehow, I was able to hold Freddy into a bear hug while the other person kept stabbing him with a kitchen knife. I then was able to throw Freddy down on the table and cut his body in half to where he wouldn't be able to walk.
I stormed out of the house and could hear the laughter and crying from Freddy as he kept repeating to me I want my body back. So out of no where as I turned the corner down the street, there was a like a parade of people and one person had a garbage bin where I tossed the body into the bin.
That was about it of the experience, but as I reflect on it and in the last month I've been faced with fears that I've been getting over and taking care of business like its not a issue. I wonder who the other person was in my dream - helped, angel, thought form, my wife etc..etc..?
tvos
My wife, when we were dating, periodically had dreams where she was being chased by bad guys. Sometimes it was criminals, sometimes the FBI, sometimes one guy, sometimes more. But she had had a variation of this dream quite often for many years.
I told her that in her dreams, instead of running away, she should confront the bad guys. Mind you, she doesn't do lucid dreaming or anything like that, but I figure that if in waking life you put an idea in your mind, that in your dreams you will do it.
Sure enough, one time in her dream when she was being chased by one of these guys, instead of running, she turned around and stabbed him in the gut with a butcher knife! Not only that, after stabbing him she "knew" that that alone wasn't enough to kill him, so she grabbed the knife with both hands and yanked the knife upward. She said that it was one of the most visceral and realistic dreams she's ever remembered. And sure enough, - that was the last time she ever had that recurring dream!
I'm sure there are a lot of psychological and spiritual opinions regarding confronting fears in dreams, but my guess is that dreams like these are symbolic representations of issues we need to resolve in our waking life. And bringing resolution to the symbolic, recurring situation in our dreams coincides with resolving the corresponding issue in our waking life. But I don't think violence is necessary in the dream. If my wife had just faced the attacker and told him she wasn't afraid of him anymore, that would have worked just as well. In fact, if she had struck up a conversation she might even have been able to learn what issue he represented in her waking life!
I've always had recurring nightmares about tornadoes (one of my greatest fears). I've had probably hundreds of them since I can remember. Usually, I dream that I'm just going about my day at home, school, or wherever, and suddenly tornadoes come. I've always woken up just before the tornado hits.
Years ago a friend of mine had suggested that the tornadoes represent some kind of obstacle or real-life fear, and that I should try to face them, instead of waking up. Well, I've never been able to do that.
However, since my fiance passed away, and I've been having to deal with all of the terrible, difficult emotional/mental/physical anguish of grief... I've had a couple more tornado dreams--only they aren't nightmares! The tornadoes are just sort of there, in the background, but not really important.
I think it's because dealing with the loss of my fiance and the ensuing grief has really taken away my fears of... pretty much everything! Now, I truly can't imagine anything or anyone that could hurt me more than I've already been hurting. It has really put everything into a strange, new, but very powerful perspective. I feel very heroic, sometimes! Still terrible, but heroic nonetheless!
RJA: love your sig, by the way. The Magician's Nephew, yes? I love C.S. Lewis, and have been re-reading the Chronicles! :D
RJA,
I agree with you 100% about facing the fears and having some symbolic teaching.
For the last month or so I've been faced with various dreams/projections where someone or something is trying to do harm to me. About a month ago, I had a projection and a couple was coming after me and had me pinned to the ground with a butcher knife at my throat. It was a good ole battle and I turned it around and mentally got the best of them. The cool thing about it is that after I pushed them away I asked questions "Why are you doing this to me" - then they replied and befriended me saying "We just want to be your friend". That was definitely a F*&*(k up way of showing friendship but I didn't turn the cheek and I welcomed them and I returned back to body naturally.
But I can definitely notice that I'm being shown these things to get over the fear and get on with my projections.
Tvos
Almost,
I recently re-read the whole Chronicles of Narnia to my 8-year-old daughter (and will probably start soon with my 6-year-old) and I my daughter and I really loved that passage and their dilemma regarding whether to ring the bell or not. The sensible thing of course would be to leave without ringing it, and yet then you are reduced to the role of an observer rather than a participant in the adventure.
Seeing as ringing the bell was really the event that put the plot into action, I liken it to the Biblical account of Eve eating the apple. Sure, they could have been good little children and just looked at the forbidden fruit forever, but what fun would that have been. Eating the apple set into motion a great cosmic drama, which is now playing itself out - God's wonderful dream of creation! And I find it so funny that a typical Christian, who would do the sensible thing and not ring the bell, would be aghast at the assertion that God fully intended for Eve to eat the apple and that rather than being a bad thing (original sin) it was merely God's way of "getting the ball rolling". Of course I just see the creation story in the Bible as a symbolic representation - not literal - of how we as spiritual beings became seperate from God in the first place, and the Biblical story as being symbolic of God's plan for bringing us back.
Also, much of what C.S. Lewis wrote seemed to me to indicate that he harbored mystical beliefs - out of line with the orthodox Christian environment in which he is typically seen. The whole idea of the Wood Between the Worlds in the Magician's Nephew even seemed to me to be a possible reference to Astral Projection - the idea that one could somehow leave our physical world and get to a calm, intermediate kind of place from which one could then journey to any one of an infinite number of worlds...
Voice,
Interesting about your encounter with your "friends". Some people will contend that there are all of these entities "out there" that are seperate from us and that some are evil (demons), some nice (angels), etc. And then on the other hand some philosophies assert that there really is nothing seperate from ourselves, but rather we are all manifestations of the ultimate consciousness and that we perceive ourselves as seperate is just our misperception (or sin).
Carl Jung would suggest that any characters we encounter in our imagination, astral projections, dreams, etc. are just personifications of things that we've repressed in our psyche and that by acknowledging them and making peace with them we are re-integrating our psyche in a journey toward spiritual wholeness that he called Individuation. Thus as Jesus said, "The kingdom of Heaven is within you." and Frank would assert that when projecting we are not going "out of our bodies" but rather inside, Jung would assert that all of those things we encounter are just projected personifications of parts of ourselves that we're not consciously aware of.
Jung, as a therapeutic technique, advocating something that he called "Active Imagination", which when you read the description sounds exactly like Astral Phasing. I'm wondering if Frank, or anyone else here, has pondered more thoroughly than I, Jung's Active Imagination visa vie Phasing - are they the same thing? And if so, then what light does that shed on the "purpose" of Astral Projection? i.e. Jung would probably say that from an evolutionary standpoint, the very reason that we are able to "project" is that it is the soul's way or provision for us to communicate with the collective unconscious and that the purpose is for us to follow the signs that are leading us back into oneness with God (the Universe, everything).
Jung contributed a lot to the body of what is today taught as psychology, such as the psychological ideas of archetypes and personality types, but I think the respectable world of psychology politely ignores the primary focus of his teachings which had to do with the spiritual journey back to our source. Anyway, - he had a fascinating take on the human spirit and the relationship between psychology, spituality, religion, mythology, occult, etc. He was big on dream analysis also, and I'm guessing that he would suggest that an astral experience would be the same as a dream for analysis purposes. He proposed a multi-step process for getting at the symbolic message in our dreams and determining what message they are trying to send us regarding our personal journey of individuation.
Watch Freddy vs Jason
He gets whopped.. :lol:
Sry a little off topic.
I have had that same problem but for me it was that freggin' little doll chuckie. The first time I saw it in theaters I didn't think much of it until he appeared in my dreams/lucids :x So long story short I learned to kick that little guy like a football in the astral :)
-The Projector-
Almost Mrs Murphy & RJA
I've been trying to go through the back of my wardrobe to explore Narnia ever since I started having OBEs!
(I tend to get myself tangled up in all the blasted clothes instead!!)
:lol:
Sarah
ok i havent been able to make an AP yet, but i thought a couple nights ago about Pennywise and or Freddy. And i have this thought that if when I AP they are going to bust right out of the closet and attack me. I would be so scared...i told myself if i ever did AP and they came out that i would shoot out the window away from them, or if i could control my mind from unleashing anymore freaky butt people i would say GO AWAY. I did a prayer to god before i tried to AP. If you say that Freddy came out of a door, that scares the hell out of me because excrement, what if he comes out of my closet? its only a couple steps away, that mofucker would get to me so quick. the only other thing i could think of to fight him is to create some kind of evil ally freak that would beat the excrement out of freddy and be my friend, altho being bad. anways. im a lil scared to even try to AP now after reading about Freddy. jesus....help me! oh yeah one more thing. I also have the remains of my cat (she passed away recently :( and i had her cremated) i was going to place the box of ashes under my bed to ward off bad spirits... any ideas or comments on anything ive said?
Trip,
First off, it wasn't really Freddy. It was simply a thought put in to action. He expected it so it happened. He could have as easily expected the Pilsbury Dough Boy to burst out, laugh, and then they could go on adventures bringing the wonder of new Pilsbury products to people around the world.
Seriously though, there's nothing real to fear. It's like a 'shroom trip. If you're positive, it'll be awesome. If you're negative, it'll be bad. Even if everything were to go terribly wrong, you'll come out unscathed. I garuntee it.
Otherwise, concerning freakish dreams, I used to have ones where people would try to kill me, so I'd eventually get cornered and I'd fight them for all I was worth. I'd wake up before any outcome, so I never knew the results. Now I have dreams where my attackers say things like, "Sorry, in all other circumstances I like you. Unfortunately I have to kill you now." I forgive them and run for my life. I never get caught though, but they're never far behind.
I agree with Stevo here about the 'shroom trip (not that I condone the use).
I would add that as one (myself included) leads a more impeccably good life (not just the thoughts of the moment) these negative experiences will likely vanish altogether. I say this because I've discovered that direct correlation in my own life.
Off topic but I wonder what percentage of OBE'ers/AP'ers have had honestly used hallucinogenic drugs in their past. I had experimented in my youth a tiny bit. I also rememeber reading 'the Ra Material' where Ra said that LSD opens a random hole (in the person?) ~allowing psychic experiences, etc. whereas meditation afforded a more favorable opening? Am I making a lick of sense here? :? :)