Hey guys, been lurking on these forums for a while. Two days ago I attempted to project for the 3rd time ever (I've had no success yet).
I was laying in my bed using my "Ananda" meditation app which releases binaural frequencies that help induce higher vibration. After about 30 minutes I experienced the sensation I had the first time I ever tried to AP, which is the feeling of vibrations within my body and feeling dizzy, along with my vision starting to go white. It freaked me out and I snapped out of it. I was upset at myself for ruining the experience, so I decided to try again. 30 minutes later I had the same sensations again but MUCH more intense! My vision went completely white, as it looked like I was speeding through a white tunnel with colors, and I heard a very loud wind noise. My body was vibrating extremely fast and once again I got freaked out by the sensations and snapped out of it.
Being upset at myself again, I decided to try one more time before I gave up, since I was so close. 30 minutes later I woke up in sleep paralysis again and the sensations returned just as intense. This time I did not hesitate, but I "pushed" my head forward into the tunnel, attempting to lean out of my body. After a minute this subsided, and then a minute later it started again! This sequence happened about 10 times, and each time I tried to push even harder out of my body and forwards into the white tunnel. Yet I could not seem to get out of my body. I could feel myself "sitting up" in bed, where my waist up felt like it was out, but I was still attached from the waist down. I even tried to open my eyes and noticed no difference when they felt open or closed. After the 10th sequence everything went black and still, and as my vision panned out i saw what looked to be like a massive orange galaxy, but it was more dream-like than realistic. As soon as it came into view I snapped back and woke up in my bed.
Can anyone tell me exactly what happened? Did I try to come out of my body too soon, and should I have waited until the intense tunnel experience had passed? Would this experience be considered an AP?
Thanks!
Hello and Welcome to the Astral Pulse! :wink:
You were there. But it doesn't sound like you were "prepared" for it yet. We have all been at this point. So we understand what you are going through. At that point in time during the "shift", you have no control over what is happening. In this physical Reality we do have control over our actions. You will learn, you do in the NP (non physical) as well. But the first "test" is to open the door and take a peek, which you did. You will be more prepared the next time.
You may have "thought" you handled the fear, but your subconscious knew better! :wink:
Next time, ALLOW what's going to happen and go explore. Tell yourself that it's okay to go. That you are ready, willing and most importantly able! :wink:
Good Luck and Safe Travels! :-)
Quote from: Lionheart on March 29, 2014, 16:55:54
Hello and Welcome to the Astral Pulse! :wink:
You were there. But it doesn't sound like you were "prepared" for it yet. We have all been at this point. So we understand what you are going through. At that point in time during the "shift", you have no control over what is happening. In this physical Reality we do have control over our actions. You will learn, you do in the NP (non physical) as well. But the first "test" is to open the door and take a peek, which you did. You will be more prepared the next time.
You may have "thought" you handled the fear, but your subconscious knew better! :wink:
Next time, ALLOW what's going to happen and go explore. Tell yourself that it's okay to go. That you are ready, willing and most importantly able! :wink:
Good Luck and Safe Travels! :-)
Thanks for the advice Lionheart. I will definitely try to remember that next time and just go with the flow. The thing that was difficult was the fact that I was TRYING as hard as I could to launch myself out of my body and into this tunnel (I didn't know much about how it worked when it happened) but it felt like I was stuck. I think I was just trying to go too early. Next time I will wait until after it stops and then try to float out.
I have tried 3 times since that experience on Thursday and each time has been a total failure. I haven't been able to drift off to sleep, I just lay there awake. I think I'm too excited. I'm going to try the early morning method and set my alarm for 5am, try to meditate and then project. Will post here again whenever I have another successful attempt.
This practice in general seems to defy logic in many different ways.
We say it takes practice, patience and perseverance to be successful. But then in the same breath we say to lie back and passively observe and just go with the flow.
You will find the harder you try to "get out", the harder it is to get out. That means you need to calm down and let nature take it's course. I say nature take it's course, because you do this every single night, but are unaware of it. Now though, you are attempting it totally consciously aware. You have turned off the "autopilot" per say and now YOU are the one piloting the ship. This is the part that is totally new to you! :-)
Quote from: Lionheart on March 29, 2014, 19:48:04
This practice in general seems to defy logic in many different ways.
We say it takes practice, patience and perseverance to be successful. But then in the same breath we say to lie back and passively observe and just go with the flow.
You will find the harder you try to "get out", the harder it is to get out. That means you need to calm down and let nature take it's course. I say nature take it's course, because you do this every single night, but are unaware of it. Now though, you are attempting it totally consciously aware. You have turned off the "autopilot" per say and now YOU are the one piloting the ship. This is the part that is totally new to you! :-)
Ahh that makes alot of sense when you put it that way. Well I am going to try the early morning method, so wish me luck! I'm gonna remember your advice and just try to let it happen on its own. I'll post back here if anything notable happens lol.
Intent is important and needed. But there is trying too hard as well. :wink:
Lionheart points out the paradox.
The harder you try, the harder it is...
I agree with the early morning tries; several successes from this will give the feeling of the mindset you are looking for; then you may find it at other times more easily.
I would add to Lionheart's point to ALLOW the experience to unfold. Part of the technique to doing this is to remain the detached, emotionless observer. During the exit, this is of prime importance, keeping your emotions under total control. ANY degree of fear will throw you out; you're pretty close to having that covered. The next is over-excitement once you make the exit. After that is fascination and distraction within the environment (what still gets me I think).
Funny, he posted that while I was typing this.lol
Just some ideas, have fun!
Quote from: EscapeVelocity on March 30, 2014, 01:40:46
Lionheart points out the paradox.
The harder you try, the harder it is...
I agree with the early morning tries; several successes from this will give the feeling of the mindset you are looking for; then you may find it at other times more easily.
I would add to Lionheart's point to ALLOW the experience to unfold. Part of the technique to doing this is to remain the detached, emotionless observer. During the exit, this is of prime importance, keeping your emotions under total control. ANY degree of fear will throw you out; you're pretty close to having that covered. The next is over-excitement once you make the exit. After that is fascination and distraction within the environment (what still gets me I think).
Funny, he posted that while I was typing this.lol
Just some ideas, have fun!
Valuable advice, thanks. I am trying to remember those things and better understand how this works every day. To be honest though, I am extremely frustrated right now. I'm trying not to let it upset me so much, but this morning was my 5th failed attempt in a row. I set my alarm for 6, woke up, meditated for 20 minutes, started to drift off a little, so I laid down calmly and peacefully with the intent to project....and then laid awake for 3 hours straight trying to fall asleep.
I can't seem to shut my mind off. I get so close multiple times, starting to feel the vibrations and the floating sensation...and then I think a very small thought, like "ah, ok I think I am almost there" and then it snaps me out of it immediately. I don't know how NOT to think that when it happens. I'm just a little frustrated because today is my 25th birthday and I was really hoping the Universe would let me project for the first time this morning lol. Instead I just got 5 hours of sleep and a headache. It was the worst attempt yet. I'm going to try again later today...
if you guys have any advice on how to relax yourself more to get into sleep paralysis, I'd greatly appreciate it :-)
Just so that you know Aaron, it has taken some people years, some 10 years to have their first conscious projection. Some of them are members of this Forum. Xanth states often that it took him a long time to learn as well. I am 50 years old and didn't learn until 3 years ago.
So just like you can't rush a "good wine", you can't rush this process as well. :wink:
You don't HAVE to be in Sleep Paralysis to AP. But, you do need a good NP (non physical) focus. Meditation will help you with this greatly! :-)
Quote from: Lionheart on March 30, 2014, 12:54:44
Just so that you know Aaron, it has taken some people years, some 10 years to have their first conscious projection. Some of them are members of this Forum. Xanth states often that it took him a long time to learn as well. I am 50 years old and didn't learn until 3 years ago.
So just like you can't rush a "good wine", you can't rush this process as well. :wink:
You don't HAVE to be in Sleep Paralysis to AP. But, you do need a good NP (non physical) focus. Meditation will help you with this greatly! :-)
haha that is both encouraging and depressing at the same time. But it's definitely what I needed to hear. I think I'm getting way ahead of myself because I had so much success on just my 3rd attempt, I felt like in a few days time I should be projecting already. But I'll have to remain patient with this process. Let's just hope it doesn't take me 10 years LOL
Quote from: Lionheart on March 30, 2014, 01:32:02
Intent is important and needed. But there is trying too hard as well. :wink:
Herein lies the paradox. Strong will and focused intention are a requirement, but trying too hard is detrimental. There is a difference between "trying hard" and "trying right" if you know what I mean. The process does not require any effort really, just a certain focused intention. If you do it right, it's very easy. The problem is doing it right :-) Hope that makes sense.
Quick question for all you guys. Would sleep inducing drugs such as nyquil or zquil be effective for helping induce the "mind awake, body asleep" state? Whenever i take these medications my body gets very drowzy and tingly like it wants to go to sleep, but sometimes I lay awake all night anyways because my mind is still going. I would think that you could use this to help get into sleep paralysis, no?
Quote from: Aaron330 on March 30, 2014, 23:39:44
Quick question for all you guys. Would sleep inducing drugs such as nyquil or zquil be effective for helping induce the "mind awake, body asleep" state? Whenever i take these medications my body gets very drowzy and tingly like it wants to go to sleep, but sometimes I lay awake all night anyways because my mind is still going. I would think that you could use this to help get into sleep paralysis, no?
No, common sense says that those "sleep inducing" drugs are meant to "induce sleep"! :roll:
That's like asking if a "stimulating" cup of coffee would make you more alert, lol! :-D
Quote from: Lionheart on March 30, 2014, 23:49:14
No, common sense says that those "sleep inducing" drugs are meant to "induce sleep"! :roll:
That's like asking if a "stimulating" cup of coffee would make you more alert, lol! :-D
haha! well the only reason i say that is because most times i take those medications it tires my body out like crazy but I can't get my mind to shut up so I lay awake all night. I could try and use this state with my new understanding of how sleep paralysis works to try and induce it. I guess i'll give it a shot and see. Nothing to lose I guess haha
Remember this statement you made earlier today?
" haha that is both encouraging and depressing at the same time. But it's definitely what I needed to hear. I think I'm getting way ahead of myself because I had so much success on just my 3rd attempt, I felt like in a few days time I should be projecting already. But I'll have to remain patient with this process. Let's just hope it doesn't take me 10 years LOL"
It doesn't sound to me like you are being patient at all. :|
I just found this link on the Forum here. I think it might give you helpful hints. :-)
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_astral_projection_experiences/focusing_intent_before_projecting-t43890.0.html
Quote from: Aaron330 on March 30, 2014, 23:39:44
Quick question for all you guys. Would sleep inducing drugs such as nyquil or zquil be effective for helping induce the "mind awake, body asleep" state? Whenever i take these medications my body gets very drowzy and tingly like it wants to go to sleep, but sometimes I lay awake all night anyways because my mind is still going. I would think that you could use this to help get into sleep paralysis, no?
I think taking anything is counterproductive in general and unnecessary. It's normal for your mind to still be going when you trying to AP so you just have to keep at it. There are times when it's just not going to work and times where it will. One of the most important things is recognizing that. Also, going through Sleep Paralysis is unlikely to occur and also not necessary to AP, this seems to be a misconception a lot of people have. I have been doing it for almost 3 years and never had Sleep Paralysis which is much more likely to occur after waking. Good luck.
Yup, it took me over 10 years.
So if it takes 10 years for you, then that's what it takes. If you're serious about learning, then time isn't a factor.
Quote from: deepspace on March 31, 2014, 10:25:00
I think taking anything is counterproductive in general and unnecessary. It's normal for your mind to still be going when you trying to AP so you just have to keep at it. There are times when it's just not going to work and times where it will. One of the most important things is recognizing that. Also, going through Sleep Paralysis is unlikely to occur and also not necessary to AP, this seems to be a misconception a lot of people have. I have been doing it for almost 3 years and never had Sleep Paralysis which is much more likely to occur after waking. Good luck.
Wow. So you're telling me that you just lay down and focus for a while and can project out of your body? If so that is amazing! I'm guessing that just came with lots of time and practice?
On another note, have any of you guys seen the Lucidology youtube channel? This guy explains how sleep cycles work really well and has some great techniques. I tried this one this morning, the "stop drop and roll" technique and I was able to get into a brief paralysis but nothing more. These ideas do seem helpful though, what do you guys think?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tb8eGsu_nX4
Quote from: Lionheart on March 31, 2014, 02:00:16
I just found this link on the Forum here. I think it might give you helpful hints. :-)
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_astral_projection_experiences/focusing_intent_before_projecting-t43890.0.html
Thanks for posting that, that was a good read. I've read and heard so much about how amazing AP is and I just want the experience so bad, especially since I've always been incredibly fascinated with deep space, but I figured there was no way I would ever be able to explore or see much of it in my life time. That is until I heard about AP. But I need to get it in my head that I'm gonna have to work at this for at least a year before I should expect any real results. If it comes sooner then great, but if I'm not patient I'm going to continue being frustrated every attempt. It just makes being patient so much harder when there are tons of youtube videos out there of kids that are 18 years old and have been projecting for years and talk about how easy it is LOL. It's gonna be different for everyone though.
Aaron, if you really wish to experience SP, try Bedeekin's pre nap technique found here. I have used it and it works very good.
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_astral_consciousness/fantastic_obe_technique_bedeekins_method-t31819.0.html
Quote from: Lionheart on March 31, 2014, 13:27:43
Aaron, if you really wish to experience SP, try Bedeekin's pre nap technique found here. I have used it and it works very good.
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_astral_consciousness/fantastic_obe_technique_bedeekins_method-t31819.0.html
Wow that is a great read. I'll be trying that out this afternoon. Thanks Lionheart!
Quote from: Aaron330 on March 31, 2014, 12:23:43
Wow. So you're telling me that you just lay down and focus for a while and can project out of your body? If so that is amazing! I'm guessing that just came with lots of time and practice?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tb8eGsu_nX4
There have been times where I just shut my eyes and went right into AP which is totally cool. Watching a 2D image form up and just willing yourself to walk into it, like going through some kind of curtain, then seeing the 2 image turn into a 3D vivid color, HI-def world that you can experience like waking life. Unfortunately, that's not the typical way I get out, I wish it was though. Sometimes laying down and focusing for while can be more than an hour, often with no results. For me, it seems like the real work is just finding that doorway or portal into the NPR. I can just slip right through it effortlessly if I can find it and hit it just right. It's hard to explain really, the process is really nothing like anything else you do. Kind of magical to me.
Quote from: deepspace on March 31, 2014, 19:21:30
There have been times where I just shut my eyes and went right into AP which is totally cool. Watching a 2D image form up and just willing yourself to walk into it, like going through some kind of curtain, then seeing the 2 image turn into a 3D vivid color, HI-def world that you can experience like waking life. Unfortunately, that's not the typical way I get out, I wish it was though. Sometimes laying down and focusing for while can be more than an hour, often with no results. For me, it seems like the real work is just finding that doorway or portal into the NPR. I can just slip right through it effortlessly if I can find it and hit it just right. It's hard to explain really, the process is really nothing like anything else you do. Kind of magical to me.
Its kind of like the "Perfect Storm" and sometimes feels like all the "planets need to align" first. :wink:
But, once you find something that works for you, your odds will heighten immensely.
I find that if you close your eyes and practice for a few minutes daily, you will start to find areas where you seem to find better a better NP focus. Like the shower for instance or for some it might be your work place or school. I said the shower because I swear sometimes that there is a "portal' in my shower, lol. The vividness of the images and how quickly they arise is amazing. MJ thinks it has something to do with running water though. That could be true. The running water is creating a current of it's own. Possibly I am tapping into that new found energy stream. :-)
Quote from: deepspace on March 31, 2014, 19:21:30
There have been times where I just shut my eyes and went right into AP which is totally cool. Watching a 2D image form up and just willing yourself to walk into it, like going through some kind of curtain, then seeing the 2 image turn into a 3D vivid color, HI-def world that you can experience like waking life. Unfortunately, that's not the typical way I get out, I wish it was though. Sometimes laying down and focusing for while can be more than an hour, often with no results. For me, it seems like the real work is just finding that doorway or portal into the NPR. I can just slip right through it effortlessly if I can find it and hit it just right. It's hard to explain really, the process is really nothing like anything else you do. Kind of magical to me.
Quote from: Lionheart on March 31, 2014, 19:36:11
Its kind of like the "Perfect Storm" and sometimes feels like all the "planets need to align" first. :wink:
But, once you find something that works for you, your odds will heighten immensely.
I find that if you close your eyes and practice for a few minutes daily, you will start to find areas where you seem to find better a better NP focus. Like the shower for instance or for some it might be your work place or school. I said the shower because I swear sometimes that there is a "portal' in my shower, lol. The vividness of the images and how quickly they arise is amazing. MJ thinks it has something to do with running water though. That could be true. The running water is creating a current of it's own. Possibly I am tapping into that new found energy stream. :-)
Very interesting indeed. I think you are absolutely right about the planets just aligning sometimes and others not. When I was 18 years old, I was a devout Christian and was in a really tough time in my life, I spent most of my summer having very vivid prophetic dreams about people and spending hours in my room reading the Bible and talking to God. One night I was sleeping and I woke up hearing audibly a worship song I was listening to earlier in the day. All of the sudden this very loud, violent wind and reverberating sound came into my room, and it scared me to death. I felt paralyzed, pinned to my bed. All of the sudden my arm started floating up into the air! And I cried out "God what is happening I am terrified!" And I heard a scripture answer "Do not be afraid, I am the Alpha and Omega, the Beginning and the End". And I was fighting to keep my arm down even though it was floating and I said "why are you pulling my arm up" and I heard a verse from Revelation 2 "come up here and I will show you the things which must soon take place". Well after a couple minutes of resisting the wind finally left and I woke up in a panic.
For years I described that event as "the night God visited my room". However after learning about AP, I immediately realized what that was! I was in the middle of a random projection and my arm floating up was not my real physical arm but my astral arm. I was trying to have an OBE but I resisted it and it didn't happen! Lol I wonder what would have happened if I would have followed my floating arm :-(
All of the sudden my arm started floating up into the air! And I cried out "God what is happening I am terrified!" And I heard a scripture answer "Do not be afraid, I am the Alpha and Omega, the Beginning and the End". And I was fighting to keep my arm down even though it was floating and I said "why are you pulling my arm up" and I heard a verse from Revelation 2 "come up here and I will show you the things which must soon take place". Well after a couple minutes of resisting the wind finally left and I woke up in a panic.
It's a pity you haven't got that story to tell. The astral wind was blowing strong that time. You never know, they may have shown you valuable future events, maybe not the lottery results, the experience would have had a similar effect on you as winning though.
Perhaps later.
I didn't miss mine, the conditions were different in '69. This life changer occured after 5 or so years of RTZ's and nightmares.
When you're ready you may get another call. Next one might be through a vortex or tunnel like structure. Don't hesitate, jump in.
Quote from: Szaxx on April 03, 2014, 18:58:05
All of the sudden my arm started floating up into the air! And I cried out "God what is happening I am terrified!" And I heard a scripture answer "Do not be afraid, I am the Alpha and Omega, the Beginning and the End". And I was fighting to keep my arm down even though it was floating and I said "why are you pulling my arm up" and I heard a verse from Revelation 2 "come up here and I will show you the things which must soon take place". Well after a couple minutes of resisting the wind finally left and I woke up in a panic.
It's a pity you haven't got that story to tell. The astral wind was blowing strong that time. You never know, they may have shown you valuable future events, maybe not the lottery results, the experience would have had a similar effect on you as winning though.
Perhaps later.
I didn't miss mine, the conditions were different in '69. This life changer occured after 5 or so years of RTZ's and nightmares.
When you're ready you may get another call. Next one might be through a vortex or tunnel like structure. Don't hesitate, jump in.
Wow that's awesome. I'm glad to hear you didn't miss yours! You probably didn't have all the religious baggage holding you back like I did. I'm curious, what was this experience like?
At that time the 'religious expectations' had almost gone. We moved house two years previous and Sunday service was no more.
The experience was awesome. The doors to the astral proper opened and changed everything. It's posted somewhere on this site.
Quote from: Szaxx on April 04, 2014, 00:58:23
At that time the 'religious expectations' had almost gone. We moved house two years previous and Sunday service was no more.
The experience was awesome. The doors to the astral proper opened and changed everything. It's posted somewhere on this site.
Well I will definitely be looking for it!
Hey Aaron, have you read Willia Buhlman' s books? There are some pretty cool techniques you may want to try. It took me three weeks after starting the visualization whole falling asleep technique and I had my first OBE.
Quote from: LightBeam on April 06, 2014, 01:59:38
Hey Aaron, have you read Willia Buhlman' s books? There are some pretty cool techniques you may want to try. It took me three weeks after starting the visualization whole falling asleep technique and I had my first OBE.
No I have not. What are some of the titles? I will order them today!
posted this in another thread, but not response. Wanted to hear some thoughts:
Okay so last night I had a dream that I was trying to project! It felt like a more lucid dream in the sense that I knew I was dreaming and I was trying to project from the dream. I kept seeing the beginnings of a white tunnel forming overtop of the dream and then it would fade. However the dream didn't feel any more vivid than normal and it still felt like I was watching myself in a story rather than controlling it. Also before falling asleep I was phasing and I eventually saw an actual 3D picture of this horrendous looking spider crawling across my vision. It scared me so much I woke up briefly (spiders are my worst fear lol).
Does this mean I'm gaining more awareness for being able to control a projection?
Quote from: Aaron330 on April 06, 2014, 10:22:07
No I have not. What are some of the titles? I will order them today!
Start with his first book which has all the techniques "Adventures beyond the body"
Quote from: LightBeam on April 06, 2014, 10:47:31
Start with his first book which has all the techniques "Adventures beyond the body"
Great. Just bought it on Kindle. I'm looking forward to reading his techniques!
I've also heard some people say that you increase your chances of having an OBE by reading books about them. So hopefully that's true lol.