AP from within a dream?

[DASH Project]

I had a very unique experience last night after going to sleep. Well first-off I wanna say I've lately been experiencing SP-like symptoms while completely awake, such as intense, overwhelming terror and panic, tremors, feelings of my body flying apart from the inside, choking pressure on my chest and neck, auditory/visual hallucinations (usually a shadowy demon stuck to my right side that hisses and whispers into my right ear,) extreme discomfort in my own body, hypersensitivity to noise, sight and touch, and most of all, inability to stop moving my body (especially my legs,) because if I try and sit still I feel the tremors and "energy" build and it makes me feel like I'm about to violently burst out of my own body any second. It felt like being in a bad nightmare, only I was wide-awake. I still don't know what was causing that, but it could be a panic attack related to my fears. Anyways, I have felt jitteriness and the "early signs" of another one of these attacks since yesterday morning, but I so far have not experienced another major attack, presumably due to my keeping my fear under control.

However, last night while I was going to bed I felt the "rumbling" build in my torso as I was dozing off, not QUITE sure if it was related to an attack starting but it seemed like it was, but I didn't panic, and instead just "let it ride," and it turned into what seemed like normal, non-scary SP. I heard two women talking nearby, and then looked around and saw that I was in a dream version of my own room. I was lying on a futon on the floor, there was nothing left in my room except for a single bed (because we were moving out...we are actually in the process of moving to another place in my actual life as well,) and there was a young, pretty woman sitting up on the bed, looking down at me. I lay on the futon in the dream version of my room and started to feel SP even within my dream, followed by my lifting out of the dream version of my room and going on an astral adventure.

For this astral experience, oddly enough the astral body I chose was in the image of the young woman in my room, only with longer hair. It started with me running along a long, asphalt road in a suburban neighborhood, and the visuals were grainy, like an old color film movie or VHS tape. I was COMPLETELY taken by how real everything felt...I very strongly felt the ground on my feet, the wind in my hair and I am not sure but I think I could even smell the scent of the air! I then jumped up into the air, lifted off and started flying. With everything still feeling just as real as physical reality, I flew through an interesting dream landscape of fluffy white clouds, floating trees and houses, and the saw the ocean, which I flew over before going further inland. When I got further inland I found myself in a fancy city composed of floating skyscrapers and platforms just floating in the air...it looked extremely futuristic, like Coruscant from Star Wars. I floated past a tall spa building with floating swimming pool platforms, then returned to the dream version of my room.

In the dream version of my room the pretty woman was now sitting next to me on the futon, and then she brushed my face with her hand and told me I was "good looking." And then, after a few more things happened, I woke up. Despite the fact that I feel I projected from a parallel, dream version of my room, this was literally THE most vivid, "real" feeling astral experience I have ever had!

[Mystiquemushroom]

Overcome the fear! For there is nothing to be afraid of!

[DASH Project]

Overcome the fear! For there is nothing to be afraid of!

I am in the process of getting over the fear...it's very difficult, especially when the fear causes me to have one of those attacks, but I think I am definitely going in the right direction. I am grateful I was able to turn what may have been the start of another attack last night, into something very enjoyable.

So was it still a real OOBE, even if I felt I projected from within a dream version of my room?

[soarin12]

Yes.  It was a real OOBE.  When I have a RTZ projection (ending up in your house next to your body) my house is never exactly like my real house.  Very close, but some things are a little different.  Pretty much everyone else who writes about their RTZ projections says the same thing.  My understanding of the NPR is it's not that you're actually  leaving your body and cruising around the physical, but that you are really having a dream with different degrees of lucidity and clarity.  That may seem disappointing at first, but it makes you realize that dreams are really MUCH more than you think.  They are an experience of a wider reality and consciousness. --Anywhere from your own subconscious to a shared consciousness with another being, to experiencing the total consciousness of "All".  That's what makes most sense to me anyway.  I'm sure the most experienced members on here could expound more upon the subject. 

[Bedeekin]

Yes.  It was a real OOBE.  When I have a RTZ projection (ending up in your house next to your body) my house is never exactly like my real house.  Very close, but some things are a little different.  Pretty much everyone else who writes about their RTZ projections says the same thing.

Oh... I'm not amongst 'everyone else'. My RTZ projections were evidently located HERE. The fact they were HERE distinguished them from ones that weren't HERE.

[Astralzombie]

Yes.  It was a real OOBE.  When I have a RTZ projection (ending up in your house next to your body) my house is never exactly like my real house.  Very close, but some things are a little different.  Pretty much everyone else who writes about their RTZ projections says the same thing.  My understanding of the NPR is it's not that you're actually  leaving your body and cruising around the physical, but that you are really having a dream with different degrees of lucidity and clarity.  That may seem disappointing at first, but it makes you realize that dreams are really MUCH more than you think.  They are an experience of a wider reality and consciousness. --Anywhere from your own subconscious to a shared consciousness with another being, to experiencing the total consciousness of "All".  That's what makes most sense to me anyway.  I'm sure the most experienced members on here could expound more upon the subject. 

I think you summed it up quite well. If someone doesn't like thinking of an OOBE as another kind of dream than they are just limiting what a dream can be.

I stopped believing that I was actually leaving my body a while back. Since I believe that consciousness is not generated from the body, it makes sense to me that I'm not leaving the body. But whatever one believes doesn't matter, the benefits are all the same if you choose to go after them.

[soarin12]

Oh... I'm not amongst 'everyone else'. My RTZ projections were evidently located HERE. The fact they were HERE distinguished them from ones that weren't HERE.

You mean your RTZ projections are always exactly true to physical reality?  Nothing in the room is ever even slightly different?  Please tell me more...  I know that some people must have projections true to the physical because what about the NDEs where people float around the hospital seeing and hearing exactly what is going on in different parts of the hospital and so forth...  The best of the best OOBEs seem to be like that as well.

When I had my first OOBE I was convinced I was out of body because I started from being conscious to levitating above my body, to floating around exploring the room that looked exactly the same as the physical.  Then I flew into my daughter's room and tried to wake her up (silly thing to do) and when she sat up, it was not her face!  That's when my "bubble burst" and I realized I had to be in a "dream room".  Before that point I was absolutely convinced I was out of body and in the physical.

Please tell more about your RTZ experiences, Bedeekin.  Thanks!

[Bedeekin]

You mean your RTZ projections are always exactly true to physical reality?  Nothing in the room is ever even slightly different?  Please tell me more...  I know that some people must have projections true to the physical because what about the NDEs where people float around the hospital seeing and hearing exactly what is going on in different parts of the hospital and so forth...  The best of the best OOBEs seem to be like that as well.

When I had my first OOBE I was convinced I was out of body because I started from being conscious to levitating above my body, to floating around exploring the room that looked exactly the same as the physical.  Then I flew into my daughter's room and tried to wake her up (silly thing to do) and when she sat up, it was not her face!  That's when my "bubble burst" and I realized I had to be in a "dream room".  Before that point I was absolutely convinced I was out of body and in the physical.

Please tell more about your RTZ experiences, Bedeekin.  Thanks!

They were my first experiences. I took for granted that I was just popping out of my body into the real world. I would often end up in a place with my 'face' facing obscure objects or half embedded in walls/ceilings or as though I was just proud of the ground... and when backing up and taking in the environment realised where I was. It was easier to visit a person than a place. Logic would often get in the way of place. A good example of this was when I went to visit her while she was on holiday in a crappy resort called Flamingo Land. I had been there a few times but didn't know where it was. I knew that there was a village that I thought was called Thirsk that sign posted it and I'd been many times through this village. I thought 'thirsk' and looked frantically for a roundabout with a signpost to Flamin go Land in the middle of it. I returned and the next day asked my dad where Flamingo land was and mentioned that I thought it was signposted in Thirsk... He told me I'd never been to Thirsk and that I meant Pickering. The next night I figured I just think of Kathryn. I was met my a giant white wall. It was VAST... smooth and seemed to extend in all directions. I was confused until I backed away from the wall which revealed itself to be the leg of a white plastic chair (the type in schools) that was placed between the bathroom and bedroom of a little caravan on a camping site at Flamingo Land. I found Kathryn with her best mate claire asleep in the main area on converted beds. Checking this info when she got back (didn't have internet then) it would be spot on. By this time... the reality of my OOBEs weren't questioned by either of us and we treated it very nonchalantly, as though they were every day happenings and part of life.

As I got older they became more abstract and merged with the overlapping dreams I called 2nd Phase.

It isn't until I met more and more people who did it... and read more and more about how it's not the real world.. and started over analysing it and listening to more and more problems that people experience... and as I formed different belief systems my ability to have RTZ projections has decreased somewhat.

[soarin12]

Ok. Interesting.  Thanks!  That's what I feel must be happening with mine.--2nd phase as you call it.

[Bedeekin]

RTZ projections are affirming experiences but they aren't as important as the usual nonphysical experiences that you are experiencing. They hold clues and journeys. Focusing too much on RTZ projections can be frustrating. Several times I proved them to friends... but if I brought it up in conversation today with them the years passed and their own social conditioning will probably force them to rationalise it. At the time they were impressed... but it had no lasting effect. For me they were real.. undoubtedly but for them it was just 'one of those things'. This is what people forget when they want the RTZ paranormal side to affirm proof to others. It doesn't.

[Astralzombie]

It isn't until I met more and more people who did it... and read more and more about how it's not the real world.. and started over analysing it and listening to more and more problems that people experience... and as I formed different belief systems my ability to have RTZ projections has decreased somewhat.

Once we are aware of an alternate explanation, we can never escape it's influence. It may be contradicting, it may even seem absurd, and we can disregard it but as they say in court, "You can't un-ring a bell." The "damage" is done.

It's in our nature to want to relate with other people and we want to find out that others are "seeing" something the same way so we can know we're not crazy.

To be honest, when I first came to the Pulse, I noticed that while most of my experiences were basically the same as others, they were only the same in the way that steam, water, and ice are all water but in completely different states.

For instance, I see far more tragedy than I do fun and lighthearted things but since I came to the Pulse, the ratio is quickly balancing. I am not someone who looks for that kind of drama in the physical so I wondered why I was being bombarded with it in the non physical. I can't be certain but I believe that this is just where I need to be right now in my evolution but reading the more positive experiences of others has directly influenced me to have more of my own .

[Szaxx]

I found myself floating around my room too in the early days. It was a replica too. On occasion the blankets on the bed werewrong but.a simple thought corrected it. After a while I realised I could fly through the window and off I went to my back garden then to my grandparents house. I was around 4 years old at time, possibly younger.
You are on your way now to bigger and better things. Enjoy the learning.

[DASH Project]

Glad to hear it was an actual OOBE...and yes, I did read all of the replies. I can't reply in person to everyone on here, but I will say I appreciate the replies greatly.

And yes, this OOBE felt extremely real. I also want to say that the dark-haired girl who was in my room (the one who called me "good-looking" and brushed my hair) exuded a very positive, warm and comforting feeling. I am not quite sure what kind of astral being she was, if she was any at all, but I am pretty sure she was of the Light.

[Xanth]

Glad to hear it was an actual OOBE...and yes, I did read all of the replies. I can't reply in person to everyone on here, but I will say I appreciate the replies greatly.

And yes, this OOBE felt extremely real. I also want to say that the dark-haired girl who was in my room (the one who called me "good-looking" and brushed my hair) exuded a very positive, warm and comforting feeling. I am not quite sure what kind of astral being she was, if she was any at all, but I am pretty sure she was of the Light.

I've always considered that a silly statement to make... an "ACTUAL OBE".
Compared to what?  A fake OBE? 

Any experience you consciously have in a reality which you identify as not being this physical reality, is a Projection (aka OBE).

The other silly statement is that an experience can feel "more" or "extremely" real... compared to what?  This "real" physical reality?

Any experience you can consciously have in any reality is *real*.

People need to begin to drop this fake dividing line between real/unreal... physical/non-physical... etc... these lines only exist within beliefs.  Free yourself from this kind of thinking and you'll begin to see things more clearly.  I know it's really opened my eyes to the larger consciousness system, of which this physical reality is just "another reality" too.

Eventually you'll see why you can't "AP from within a dream"... because your very existence IS the dream.