I was just wondering... How many of you have traveled to infinity and beyond?
Ha, I'm such a nerd, but seriously, how many people have traveled out of Earth's atmosphere to somewhere else in the solar system? I've now had two OBE's and I hope to someday be able to go out into the 'great yonder :)
Popular belief says if you travel far enough you get back where you started.
As for traveling out for the great yonder, it's not a very popular thing, but nonetheless completely inside the realm of possibility. Knock yourself out, give it a try. See how far you get. There's got to be some beautiful sights.
I like Nachos!
... esp. from the great yonder!
Sorry to be a nit picker :), but I don't think it is possible to travel to infinity. I mean it will take forever....
And certainly not beyond infinity either. :)
But, seriously, a friend of mine claims to have traveled to certain planets in our solar system.
Its apparently far from easy. Navigation, sufficient energy and holding focus being some of the challenges.
It's very very difficult indeed, as it is all too easy to slip out of the physical 'real-time-zone' and into a parallel astral enviroment of your own imagining, you wouldnt be able to tell which is which. The possibility of slipping into a subjective state is very high due to the amazing nature of the experience of flying away from earth; it would be most difficult not to slip into the astral due to the emotional release.
For this reason, many people who say they have left the physical earth and flown to the moon and beyond, may only *think* they have. I have yet to read any reliable account.
Doug
Monroe says in "Ultimate Journey" that at TMI they've traveled all around space - in the context that they haven't found any other phsyical intelligences.
Quote from: StookieMonroe says in "Ultimate Journey" that at TMI they've traveled all around space - in the context that they haven't found any other phsyical intelligences.
I am so nerdy that I believe that there simply MUST be other physical "intelligent" presences elsewhere. I mean, come on! Only us puny humans in the entire physical universe? Nah, can't be.
Also, the sheer size of the observable physical universe is as you know... enormously hugely vast.
If you visit one star system per second it would still take you billions of years to see them all... and that's just what we can see.
Gandalf, yeah. It's hard enough to maintain objective reality in ones own room, never mind in a geosynchronous orbit above ones bed. :)
well, Monroe's later findings seem to argue against his earlier explorations where he found nothing.
He later came to believe (indeed was told) that there are many other 'physical learning centres' ie physical planetary civilisations scattered around. The earth being one of them, but whether the earth is any more important than the others or not isnt known.
The reason they couldnt find them on their earlier explorations is not explained, but may be more to do with their early methods than anything else.
Doug
Hmmm, I was thinking these days whether so far I have gotten any evidence of life on other planets through my experiences, and it's really hard to say, but mostly yes. At times I felt myself coming back from very far places, and what I saw were people that looked physically very much like us, but didn't live the way we do. They seemed to be too much part of the nature of the planet, pretty much the opposite of what we do.
I come to believe that there is only one kind of intelligent life form that inhabits different parts of the universe, and it's only us, and we are everywhere. Now, I saw other planets that didn't look nothing like we know. There were strange life forms, didn't seem to be intelligent though. For instance, there was this dark planet, and on it lived electric light balls, the size of ping-pong balls maybe, and they floated on it's atmosphere. When I touched one of them I got the most tremendous shock in my life, it almost broke all my astral teeth!
I tend to believe that "intelligent life" does exist but it operates from a higher vibration. Kryon, the entity, seems to claim the universe is "donut shaped" but also dynamic in the sense that parts of it can be distorted/bent (time/space) if known how in order to support instantaneous travel in the physical.
It would be interesting to find out if the earth was in such a low vibration that while we couldn't (or have difficulty) in seeing "up" that everyone else (or a majority) could see "down".
I am able to astral project at will while wide awake. Ever since I started having intentional OBE's, I have been in contact with my spiritual guides. After reading Rosalind McKnight's book, "Cosmic Journeys", I decided to ask my spiritual guide to take me to a place where there was an intelligent civilization that was concerned for our planet's well-being and was watching over us. I had read in the book that Rosalind McKnight, who was a laboratory subject at the Monroe Institute, was able to do this. So, I gave it a try. I felt a sensation of very fast travel or propulsion for a few seconds. Then I felt a brief pause that lasted a few seconds. Then I felt a sensation of fast travel again. I didn't understand what the pausing meant, and then later I read on infinitebeing.com and also in one of Robert Monroe's books that when the soul travels at really far distances, it must stop to re-astral project. This is felt as a brief pausing sensation. The soul may need to pause more than once depending on how far it travels. I only paused once. Then I was aboard a spaceship. It was way too realistic for me to be imagining this, and I was wide awake. My thinking ability was in the part of me (my soul) that was in the spaceship and not in my physical body. It was as if I forgot about my physical body altogether. There was a being there, the captain of the spaceship. He couldn't see me, because my soul was in a higher dimension, and I later found out that he was in the physical dimension, the same as the Earth dimension. but I believe he could sense I was there, because he seemed defensive and asked why I was there and who I was. I think we were communicating through mental telepathy. I told him that I was from Earth and meant no harm and that I had asked my spiritual guide to take me to a spaceship of a civilization that was watching over the Earth and was concerned about its well-being. He seemed alright after that. I then asked him how far away from the Earth we were. He said about 2 million Earth miles. I asked which galaxy he was from, and he said the Milky Way. I asked if he was watching over us to protect us, and he said yes. I asked if other civilizations exist that are watching the Earth but are not so concerned about our well-being, and he said yes. I asked how the spaceship was powered. He said it was powered by condensed light, like a laser but very condensed. He had a weird looking bluish gray film like suit all over his body including his face, and it covered what seemed to be a helmet of some sort. I asked why he needed the film type suit, and he said to protect himself from radiation. I remember seeing a bunch of little lights of red, blue, white, etc. pulsating and blinking from the control panel. There was a large window that extended around that whole portion of the spaceship that I was in. After that, I told him that I was leaving, and he invited me back, but I haven't returned yet. I want to think up some good questions before I return. Again, I wasn't asleep while this happened, and my imagination isn't this good for me to have imagined all of this. The sensations of fast travel and pausing that I felt were real as well.
Quote from: interceptionI believe that there simply MUST be other physical "intelligent" presences elsewhere. I mean, come on! Only us puny humans in the entire physical universe? Nah, can't be.
Why not? Why should we not have "planes" of experience? And this is the playground of us being physical humans - nothing else, as pure and simple as that. And I wouldnt de-value us as "puny".
Quote from: interceptionAlso, the sheer size of the observable physical universe is as you know... enormously hugely vast. If you visit one star system per second it would still take you billions of years to see them all... and that's just what we can see.
~If~ it is vast - in terms of space! ~If~ there are star-systems! And even if it is a vast space, so what? If we take a step "aside", shifting into another dimension, intertwinging with the very same space/time arrangement - in the sense of "it's actually in the same location, just another dimension - We would have all the "aliens" we want, all the "folklore and mystical beings we possibly could imagine... And best of it, they would be all us... Just in the manifestation of another "plane" of experiencing conciousness.
IIRC I read somewhere that in fact the other planets shall be "inhabitated", but on another "level" of existance. One would have to "step sideways", to find them. Not unlikely what Zante talks about. And Monroe showed sth similar with his "friend" BB. Esp how marvelous our physical world experience is.
Quote from: TishAnnaI read on infinitebeing.com and also in one of Robert Monroe's books that when the soul travels at really far distances, it must stop to re-astral project. This is felt as a brief pausing sensation. The soul may need to pause more than once depending on how far it travels.
To a certain extend if find it as regretable as amazing how our beliefs limiting our expansion. What kinds of "reasons", borders, rules we make up to "pinning us down".... We must be really afraid of our own power and "greatness", that we invest so much energy to holding ourselves back.
TishAnna,
I had a similar experience while oobe and in a space ship traveling among the galaxy. I would have to dig it up and post it, but I do know what you're talking about.
You nailed some real good questions with your encounter. Quoting from the movie contact the next time this occurs ask this "How did you survive
a world with out adolescent wars".
Keep up the good work - nice web site on the country singing. Not my favorite music but I wish you luck!
tvos....
if it is just us - seems like a awful waste of space...
Quoten asked him how far away from the Earth we were. He said about 2 million Earth miles. I asked which galaxy he was from, and he
That means that he (captain) as in OUR Solar System? :confused:
distance is too short for other solar systems...
What was the shape of starship??
well 1 lightyear is nearly 6 trillion miles, and our galaxy is about 100 000 light years in diameter, so I guess 2 million miles would not be very far... at all. In fact the nearest galaxy cluster is about 60 million lightyears away. From the Earth to Pluto is about 38 AU, 1 AU equals 150 million km's.
Somehow I doubt your experience was real, I mean it could have happened but most likely in F2oC, not the RTZ.
Nick,
Although I do agree with you on thinking it may be just an F2oC experience, we must be our own Devil's Advocate. When she stated distance, she said, " ..how far away from the Earth we were." As in, how far the ship was from Earth. So it could have been stationed there, or on course.
Although before I could fully believe such an encounter, one would have to return with a basic knowledge that would otherwise be unknown.
The ship was located at about 2 million miles from Earth, but the being was not from our solar system. He did say that he was from our galaxy though. I did not ask a lot of questions. I felt overwhelmed by it all and couldn't even think of what to ask. I did however, ask about how the ship was powered. It was powered by very intense and condensed light. I am assuming condensed light beams, maybe like lasers. This is knowledge I did not have prior to this experience. Our civilization focuses on boosting rockets into space using ancient fossil fuels, so light beam energy was new knowledge to me.
I didn't see the outside of the ship, as I sensed travel at such a fast speed. It only took a few seconds of travel, then I felt a pause in travel for a few seconds, and then a few more seconds of travel. Everything seemed black. I couldn't focus on seeing anything on the way there nor on the return due to the fast travel. The inside of the ship where I was tended to be circular in shape with a large window up front that extended all the way around the room I was in.
After I had this experience, I questioned whether or not I imagined it also, but after experiencing the "pausing/suspended" type feeling for a few seconds, I thought my experience was real, because later on, I then read in two sources that this "pausing/suspended" feeling does occur when traveling at great distances. I had no prior knowledge of this "pausing" effect.
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if it is just us - seems like a awful waste of space...
Haha, get back to me in a few thousand years.
We are living in the metaphorical dark years imo :wink:
Interesting, a light beam. One thing is for sure, if there are aliens visiting Earth, they must be EXTREMELY advanced. The closest star to our solar system is about 4.2 light years away. That means that aliens must be able to travel faster than the speed of light to reach us. However, we know so little about physics still, that whose to say its impossible. They probably warp space some how kind of like on star trek. On wikipedia.org I was reading about the theoretical possibiblity of "warp speed". Nasa says they have breakthrough theories on this type of thing and that it is theoretically possible. I would also recommend reading about Project Orion on wikipedia.org. It's a controversial space shuttle which could be built with our current technology, that would take us to Pluto in 2 days. However, it is fueled by nuclear bombs which is why it is so controversial and the shuttle hasn't been aloud to be built.
Or maybe the US government already has alien technology to travel the galaxy with, so they don't need Project Orion. :lol:
TishAnna:
QuoteI am assuming condensed light beams, maybe like lasers
This is not capable of speeds higher than lightspeed
Didnt you presume that this experience is maybe product of imagination.. it is possible in projections.. and it is very difficult to differ imagination from reality
How much experience do you have in projections.. what techniques do you use??
Quote from: NickJWInteresting, a light beam. One thing is for sure, if there are aliens visiting Earth, they must be EXTREMELY advanced. The closest star to our solar system is about 4.2 light years away. That means that aliens must be able to travel faster than the speed of light to reach us. However, we know so little about physics still, that whose to say its impossible. They probably warp space some how kind of like on star trek. On wikipedia.org I was reading about the theoretical possibiblity of "warp speed". Nasa says they have breakthrough theories on this type of thing and that it is theoretically possible. I would also recommend reading about Project Orion on wikipedia.org. It's a controversial space shuttle which could be built with our current technology, that would take us to Pluto in 2 days. However, it is fueled by nuclear bombs which is why it is so controversial and the shuttle hasn't been aloud to be built.
Or maybe the US government already has alien technology to travel the galaxy with, so they don't need Project Orion. :lol:
It is NOT too smart conception!!!
Travelling so far must include SOMETHING other: Materialization, dematerialization (it is well known in magic) ..
Maybe they dematerialize their ship than travel faster than light(like etheric body) and than materialize
OTHER conception is that common aliens are ETHERIC beings, but they can manipulate to physical...
I am not from Amerca: But I heared that there stories about UFO abduction are very common ? It this so?
Being so much more advanced than us Im sure there are concepts involved that we cannot even comprehend as they would be so foreign to us in our current stage of development.
I have thought about that too, as my friend believes that in order for matter to go faster than light it must be converted into energy ( I have often thought that orb UFO's are maybe saucers that are in their energy form). However, the warping of space is just as plausible, as that is exactly what wormholes do and those have been proven to exist and NASA is on some things about the warping of space and time to travel great distances; in theory it is possible. However, the warping of space is more logical becasue energy can move at light speed, however there is nothing that would make it go faster than light without bending space. Both are plausible theories, it could also be a mix of the two theories. We know so little about physics still, so who knows? I however strongly disagree with the theory that they are etheric beings that materialize 1. becasue that has never happened and is theoretically impossible and 2. why would we be the only physical beings and aliens etheric? I dont think humans would be the only beings to evolve physically. There is really no reason at all to believe the theory that they are etheric, it just isn't logical. The chances are that they would have evolved on a planet, just like humans did, in the physical universe. However, they could be advanced enough to have "astral technology" although I still don't think that would help them travel great distances, they probably are just more advanced than us, and have delved into the astral and realized its reality. I highly doubt that they are etheric in nature.
Quotehowever strongly disagree with the theory that they are etheric beings that materialize 1. becasue that has never happened and is theoretically impossible
Disagree:
You know very little about magic(dont know right world)...
There is principle named Teramagatron(something like that) How in higher level so in lower..
Etheric and meterijal is connected.. when something is created in astral(etheric) this will exist in physical...
Quotewhy would we be the only physical beings and aliens etheric?
Maybe the are not etheric but they know how manipulate with this etheric level for traveling and materialization and dematerialization..
QuoteThere is really no reason at all to believe the theory that they are etheric, it just isn't logical.
there is a pretty good reason:
Every abduction experience is VERY similar to etheric projection!!!!!!
QuoteI highly doubt that they are etheric in nature.
Why??????
First off, I agreed with the theory that they turn their physical bodies and ships into energy for long distance travel. Why I don't believe they are etheric in nature is because it is most illogical to belive that humans are the only physical beings. I think aliens would be too, to say they originated in the etheric just makes no sense.
You should actually try reading what I'm saying, you will see I agreed with some of the things you siad, yet you say I didn't in your post...
Why I don't know alot about magic? Becasue 95% of it is fake and that is a fact. Just because mystics say it is possible to go from etheric to phyisical (without at least orginially being physical) dosen't mean its true, like I said magic is fake. I'm saying logical theories and trying to have an intelligent conversation, while you are overconfident in magic...
Sorry but atoms and particles dont just come from the etheric, I believe it may be possible to turn something physical into energy(etheric) and then back again to physical, but for something etheric to turn into physical is just impossible and can't happen. It must have that original organization of the atom before that can occur. Aliens can't just pop up physical bodies with DNA, and bio matter out of the etheric! That's why I don't believe that they are etheric beings. It just isn't a logical or rationale theory. I can see you don't put alot of your own thoughts into your theories.
You know very little about science and logic.
Quote from: NickJWFirst off, I agreed with the theory that they turn their physical bodies and ships into energy for long distance travel. Why I don't believe they are etheric in nature is because it is most illogical to belive that humans are the only physical beings. I think aliens would be too, to say they originated in the etheric just makes no sense.
You should actually try reading what I'm saying, you will see I agreed with some of the things you siad, yet you say I didn't in your post...
Why I don't know alot about magic? Becasue 95% of it is fake and that is a fact. Just because mystics say it is possible to go from etheric to phyisical (without at least orginially being physical) dosen't mean its true, like I said magic is fake. I'm saying logical theories and trying to have an intelligent conversation, while you are overconfident in magic...
Sorry but atoms and particles dont just come from the etheric, I believe it may be possible to turn something physical into energy(etheric) and then back again to physical, but for something etheric to turn into physical is just impossible and can't happen. It must have that original organization of the atom before that can occur. Aliens can't just pop up physical bodies with DNA, and bio matter out of the etheric! That's why I don't believe that they are etheric beings. It just isn't a logical or rationale theory. I can see you don't put alot of your own thoughts into your theories.
You know very little about science and logic.
You dont believe in magic and believe in etheric :lol:
Etheric to diescribe like energy is not very true...
Energy is very hard to define...
Quotebut for something etheric to turn into physical is just impossible and can't happen.
Why?
You I think believe very much in this two main energy laws( I dont know name in English)...
There is theory: Pure SPACE is energy: 1 qubic mm has more energy than ALL VISIBLE MATTER in space(matter = energy)
QuoteIt just isn't a logical or rationale theory. I can see you don't put alot of your own thoughts into your theories.
Etheric realm is NOT very much logic and science.. then astral... science is still not capable for this
Interesting topic. I have read several accounts of individuals traveling far beyond what we consider our solar system.
It's good to be back. I see Gandalf is a moderator now which is a positive thing since he has been a great contributor to the site.
Well then i guess your theory is even less likely, that they turn etheric. It may be possible to convert matter into energy for their travel but not etheric in (at least not in the sense your referring too).
I astral project therefore it comes from my own experience, and it dosen't contradict any sicentific laws, nor can it be proven by them. I already explained why an etheric being couldn't make itself a body. Physical atoms don't just come from nowhere. And if you are not referring to etheric as physical energies, that makes it even less likely that aliens could turn "spirits" into physical bodies.
Really, none of your theories are plausible anymore now that you just explained what type of etheric you're referring to. I think I'll stick my logical, scientifically plausible theories before I start using magical theories as an alternative.
It's funny how you also won't comment on the things that contradict your own views. Why would aliens be etheric and not physical like us?
QuoteI already explained why an etheric being couldn't make itself a body.
Everything that is not proved impossible IS POSSIBLE :grin: :cool:
QuoteWhy would aliens be etheric and not physical like us?
Why would not???
I repeat: Everything that is not proved impossible IS POSSIBLE
I dont have true evidence FOR and you either DONT have true evidence against...
Its just speculation
:grin:
If it is just speculation why did you lash out at my theories saying that they were wrong? But my theories have at least been scientifically theorized, while yours are just coming out of thin air. And I think the chances of aliens having evolved on a planet like us is MUCH greater than all aliens being etheric...
QuoteBut my theories have at least been scientifically theorized, while yours are just coming out of thin air. And I think the chances of aliens having evolved on a planet like us is MUCH greater than all aliens being etheric...
hmm...
Why , I mean what is the greates reason that you have such belief??
Why it is so ompossible that they evolved on etheric....
I just ask but I think alien abductions has nothing to do to aliens.. I thing its just a spontaneous projection in most cases...
:grin:
Why would no life evolve physically like us? Why do you think they would all come from the etheric, not physical like us?