Frightening experience

[Colin]

Cheers Kundalini! I unfortunately don't have any answers about your experience. However, I did have a very similar experience myself recently consisting of a real-time OBE involving a clock and my parents. It seems like there's a lot of new members on the forum. Hopefully some more experienced APers will see your post (and mine, haha) and offer some insight. Best wishes!

[lifebreath]

Sounds more like a lucid dream to me, but I can't speak for you... In any case, I will relate to you a personal story. Perhaps it is pertinent.

Many years ago, when I was in my mid-20's and going through an intense time of spiritual transformation and growth, I had a very powerful dream, very similar to yours. At the time, I believed that it was the work of a "demon" or in the parlance of this board "Neg."

The details are slightly muted with the passing of years, but I'll try ... In it, I was with my father, in a living room. I was trying to discuss some spiritual topic with him. Suddenly, we got into an argument, at which point he transformed into a demonic beast and started attacking me. I began stabbing him with a dagger, then awoke very disturbed and sensing a high state of energy.

In retrospect, after some time had elapsed (perhaps a couple of years), during which much inner healing took place, I realized that the dream was the "tip of the iceburg" of repressed anger and resentment that I had toward my father. It was bubbling up from the depths of my soul into my conciousness via this dream and a few others that followed. In the end, a great healing and release from the past took place regarding my feelings toward my father and the hurts I had suffered as a child. The dream was the initial inner rumblings of what I could not encounter and deal with all at once, but gradually came to peace with.

I have no idea what your relationship is with your dad and am not implying that it is bad. What I am suggesting, however, is that it is not uncommon for a young man of 20 years old to have conflicted feelings toward his dad - feelings of love, mixed with feelings of being "trapped" or not being free to be your own man - still "under the yolk," so to speak, of the old man! Often these feelings are repressed because "I shouldn't feel this way about my dad" guilt. Perhaps, this manifested in your dream/trance state, projecting some of these negative feelings into the situation onto the image of your father?

Just a thought ...

[holy reality]

quote:Originally posted by lifebreath


I have no idea what your relationship is with your dad and am not implying that it is bad. What I am suggesting, however, is that it is not uncommon for a young man of 20 years old to have conflicted feelings toward his dad - feelings of love, mixed with feelings of being "trapped" or not being free to be your own man - still "under the yolk," so to speak, of the old man! Often these feelings are repressed because "I shouldn't feel this way about my dad" guilt. Perhaps, this manifested in your dream/trance state, projecting some of these negative feelings into the situation onto the image of your father?

Just a thought ...

agreed...

I have a lot of f*cked up dreams about my family, mainly father and brother....

edit: i hate censoring myself, is moderate use of the "f word" okay? We've all heard it before.

and yes, OBEs are basically lucid dreams, the only difference I see is the way you go about having them...

and yes, you can try reality checks and be semi accurate both from OBE and from lucid dream.... I guess it may have to do with how much energy you have and such and this relates to how close to the actual physical you can get

but that time changing thing, that is a tell tale sign of dreaming, whenever you are unsure of whether you are awake or not (and usually if you are unsure it means you aren't) you just look at a clock, turn around look back, and do that about 5 times, if it's a dream, it will change, becuase the subconcious doesn't handle text very well.

So umm... yeah that's normal... I don't know how you project into the DIRECT physical and I'm not sure if it's possible, some people claim to have done so.

[mustard]

quote:Originally posted by Kundalini

Hello all of you, I'm new at this forum. Happy to be here[]
I had this experience for about 2:10-3:00 this night. This was what happened: I woke up at 2 and felt that it would be easy to project if I just tried. So I did, I used the rope technique for about 20 seconds, then the body separation sensations kicked in. I kept on climbing and said in my mind to myself "I want this to be an etheric projection" and opened my eyes a little. I could actually see my hands climbing, but I couldn't see any rope. After a while I was in the astral condition, but my astral body was in the same position as my physical, still I was free of it. I went up and noticed that the lamps in the house was on (in reality they were not.) I walked to the kitchen to find that a plate on the kitchen range was on. I was thinking about turning it of and then looked at a clock. It was 9:00, hm... all of this fells so damn real, maybe I'm not out of my body after all, I looked again and the time had changed with several hours. Or maybe it is a dream I thought, but again, it feels to real to be a dream. I walked in to my parents room, where I saw that my father was awake, he looked at me. Hey, can you see me? I asked. He replied wit a yes. I started to talk to him about astral projection and he seemed to get more and more angry.[!] He get up and now it did not felt like if he was my father, it was more like if a demon had possessed his body because he looked very evil. Suddenly he started trying to kill me.[}:)] I fought back for a while and then woke up in my bed. Almost an hour had elapsed since the experience started. This experience was not pleasant at all. It was like hyper real nightmare. Its content was like a dream, but my awareness during the experience was stronger than during any other dream/lucid dream I have had. I also had very strong exit sensations when I separated from my body.
Any thoughts from you about my experience?

new member too

It sounds like a lucid dream, but if this is happening more than once
and you feel frightened I suggest you do the following; before you go
to sleep think of everything that happened to you durring the day, because usually when you have a lucid dream or nightmare your subconscience keeps the taughts or things you've seen deep inside your
head and it releases them when you go to sleep. For example if you,
saw a scary movie you might have dreamed something about that movie.
If you release your taughts before you go to sleep you might not have this problem.

Or it may be that you are thinking about your training too much.Try meditation. Oh and don't tell you'r parents, they might get scared.

[beavis]

Not everything you see during projection should rarely be interpreted literally. It could mean your dad's spirit is against projection because of his religion. Or he could be mad at you. But I doubt he really wants to kill you.

[Paukki]

Hey Kundalini,
I do a lot of lurking in Astral Pulse and not a lot of writing, but your post nudged me to jump in for a bit here.  I've had 6 oobe's over the last 7 months or so.  They've all been very short.  Usually I don't get very far.  When I think about some of the things I've read about oobe's, it seems to me that I have just barely budged into the lowest levels--the level where people dream and where people who don't realize they've died wander aimlessly.  Maybe you've read some of the veterans talking about seeing neighbors or whoever in this low realm, but they are largely "asleep" and don't respond very well, if at all.  Add to that the warnings and advice about realizing that your thoughts and emotions are all out on the table when you go oob and that what you think and feel can manifest uncontrollably, and you can see how confusing things could get--especially when you throw in that "blank check" explanation about the subconscious mind taking over--for whatever reason, like discussions in this topic about repressed anger manifesting.  Others talk about learning to project directly into the Astral and just leapfrog the parallel "real time" (or "sync time"?) level, dream level, (how many levels can a veteran leapfrog?)  My last oob I finally just went seemingly up and up and up and just surrendered my intent totally to love and, unlike all the previous experiences, entered a non-worldly environment of three-dimensional deep purple, followed by seeing little clay-like spheres floating around my visible hands.  Then the whole experience "collapsed" back into the parallel, "real time" world and got a bit disturbing.  Had I really finally popped past the lowest level?  Wouldn't you like to?  Although it surely would be fun to scoot around the neighborhood/county/country/world/solar system a bunch, even if it were just "real time" stuff.  <sigh>  Progress seems so slow!  Did I really do that?  It seems like a dream!  Well, I was in San Francisco last summer and that seems like a dream now, too, but I know I was there.  I know I was conscious there.  The same with my oobe's.  Surely we can look forward to moving about less subject to the ups and downs of those turbulent thought-energies that lie beneath the tip of the everyday iceberg.

[Kundalini]

Thanks for your replies (hadn't expected that many). Well, I can't say that my relationship with my father is bad. lifebreath, you described my situation petty good when you said "feelings of love, mixed with feelings of being trapped". Don't worry mustard, I'm not going to tell him about my experience.
However, my goal is to be able to perform real time projections (it would be real funny to control that ability), or to be able to project to higher spirit planes.
I have been in to the subject of "Astral Projection" for a few years now and have made some progress. My problem is that I almost always feel that I am trapped in my own mind when I get "out" of body.
I don't know how to go to "objective" places when out of body (the best objective non-physical stuff I have done have been spontaneous shared dreams). I have tried to use NEW, it does not seem to have a big effect on my experiences (but I have learned to do healing with the system, and it really works. I can even heal other persons with it).
I have tried several projection techniques and have come to the conclusion that the what technique one uses does not really matter, the most important things is to have a strong will power and to get into the right state of consciousness. Usually I project in the morning or after a nap when I am in a very relaxed state.
By the way, "HAPPY NEW YEAR"!!!!!!

[jilola]

Here's my take:
You encountered a youer'father/a representation of him as projecyed by your subconscious. He/it didn't appear to your projected person to agree with what you were doing and expressed it in some way that your projected person interpreted as a hostile manner leading to a spiral of ever increasing fear and ending up in a recalled nightmare.

Just strive to keeep your cool next time and congratulations on a good effort.

2cents & L&L
Jouni

[clandestino]

Hi there Kundalini,

FYI, several of Robert Monroe's accounts of etheric projection in his first book "journeys out of the body" describe situations where he visits a friend or relative whilst out of body, and talks with them.

Later on, he visits the person during his waking life, and asks them if they have any recollection of the experience, to which they reply "No".

However, this conundrum didn't force Monroe to dismiss these experiences as dreams...perhaps because it is not easy to dismiss experiences like the one you describe as a dream :

quote:It was 9:00, hm... all of this fells so damn real, maybe I'm not out of my body after all...

My thoughts on your experience : its a great example of how much more we have to discover about OBE.

Mark

[holy reality]

Later on, he visits the person during his waking life, and asks them if they have any recollection of the experience, to which they reply "No".

However, this conundrum didn't force Monroe to dismiss these experiences as dreams...perhaps because it is not easy to dismiss experiences like the one you describe as a dream
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so is it possible to do that and actually contact them and have them remember it, you know, enter their real dreams? If so... how?

[Kundalini]

Hello all of you, I'm new at this forum. Happy to be here[]
I had this experience for about 2:10-3:00 this night. This was what happened: I woke up at 2 and felt that it would be easy to project if I just tried. So I did, I used the rope technique for about 20 seconds, then the body separation sensations kicked in. I kept on climbing and said in my mind to myself "I want this to be an etheric projection" and opened my eyes a little. I could actually see my hands climbing, but I couldn't see any rope. After a while I was in the astral condition, but my astral body was in the same position as my physical, still I was free of it. I went up and noticed that the lamps in the house was on (in reality they were not.) I walked to the kitchen to find that a plate on the kitchen range was on. I was thinking about turning it of and then looked at a clock. It was 9:00, hm... all of this fells so damn real, maybe I'm not out of my body after all, I looked again and the time had changed with several hours. Or maybe it is a dream I thought, but again, it feels to real to be a dream. I walked in to my parents room, where I saw that my father was awake, he looked at me. Hey, can you see me? I asked. He replied wit a yes. I started to talk to him about astral projection and he seemed to get more and more angry.[!] He get up and now it did not felt like if he was my father, it was more like if a demon had possessed his body because he looked very evil. Suddenly he started trying to kill me.[}:)] I fought back for a while and then woke up in my bed. Almost an hour had elapsed since the experience started. This experience was not pleasant at all. It was like hyper real nightmare. Its content was like a dream, but my awareness during the experience was stronger than during any other dream/lucid dream I have had. I also had very strong exit sensations when I separated from my body.
Any thoughts from you about my experience?