Getting better at OBEs on command

[upstream]

Good one.

I have to agree. The main "stabilizing factor" of an RTZ-OBE is the sensory feedback one make on the energy fields hiding beneath the interpreted pictures of dream objects.

[Dream Cadet]

MajorTom,

If you don't mind me asking, where did you order the watch from?  I am looking for something just like that.  I think my only problem with my little "lull" in OBEing is my sleep pattern. When I was OBEing, I would automatically wake up in 90 minute intervals or multiples.  Now it is random. This watch would be very helpful.  My wife probably would thank you too. I was thinking of setting my cell phone alarm every 90 minutes.  It has a vibrate function but it is not very easy to program every 90 minutes.

thanks in advance,

D.C.

[Eol007]

Hi,

How odd as I usually aim for alarm set for a 90min session, and wonder if this is one of the classical/human time cycle periods or if there is some kind of golden mean with respect to the most suitable times for practice?

Appreciate this is slightly off subject, but it is interesting to see how we can use in addition to pure technique various tools and props. I have noticed varying somatic effects with essential oils for instance, but appreciate there may be some psychological influence in adding this to ones ritual. Mostly I also have employed various single and combinations of essential oils. On the whole using a diffuser with a water base and have used bathing and massage as well – primarily for personal health but also to prepare for mediation as well as OBE type practice. I have not maintained any sort of statistical notation to this, but add any deviations from the norm to my journal for later review.

Interesting to see what other tricks might be out there?  

Cheers,

S []

[Eol007]

quote:Originally posted by MajorTom

Hi Stephen []

Yeah, I think 90 minutes is about the duration of a full sleep cylcle...from non-REM stages to REM (dreams)...and then all over again. Thatès why it's easier to get things going (and not get caught up in hypnagogic and mentalese non-rem sleep stages) during wake-ups at night, since one wakes up from REM usually. Similarly, that's why it can be quite difficult to project in that first hour of sleeping unless one is so tired that REM immediately starts.

As I have been working mainly with intuitively led practice and less on subjective methods - I have therefore been avoiding looking at the technical side of sleep, but will consider looking at the basics – can you suggest any basic resources?  

quote:I have been looking into oils a little bit of as late, and have read about mugwort, which is supposed to help. One guy was able to increase the vivacity of his dreams placing this herb under his pillow. He based his observations on around 3-4000 dreams if I remember correctly. Not sure whether it has any effect, but I don't want to argue with 3000 dreams []

I have recently been using Clary Sage (with good effect), and sometimes Frankincense in addition to old regulars like Geranium and Lavender. However Geranium seems too powerful for balanced sleep and I seem to have noticed it is better used in preparation for attunement type practice. Old reliable lavender seems fine for most uses but appears to lead to dreamless sleep or balanced sleep and can be too relaxing at times if one wants to maintain a modicum of mental focus. I have read that Clary is somewhat narcotic – but seems not to have this effect if used in moderate doses.

quote:Tools can be helpful I think, but only as facilitators rather purely on their own accord. Just to help with that extra nudge in the right direction, as an enhancement of whatever is already unique to the individual in terms of meditation, dreams and OBEs.

Very true – otherwise I suppose it can lead to over reliance on overt ritualism. Sometimes keeping things plain and simple seem best!

Stephen

P.S. Apologies to Cube for going off plot!

[Eol007]

quote:Yeah..my apologies too Cube. Actually, I thought you were pretty brave in looking at the mirror. I have never dared to so, but also neither have come across any mirrors in the darkness of my room.

I think my imagination will take off and impose a perception before I even start looking. Too may silly fears, and very annoying.

Had a very short projection nite before last, where I was able to see my physical body OK. Although it usually appears somewhat monochromatic in repose! Never considered creating an astral mirror however – I'll try that sometime in the future when I feel more confident in the basics again. Also had a failed attempt to project, but had some astral vision of the room including seeing the window frame from the back of my head – not quite spherical more a 180' flip as it were, and had some pre exit symptoms, but gave up after sometime and eventually fell asleep instead.

Ta for the links. Will have a peep!


Stephen

[Dream Cadet]

MajorTom,

My watch is on the way too.  Thanks for the link.  Did you order the camo-band version[]?  I hope it works well.

Cube,

Thanks for posting your information. I saw myself in the mirror in my very first OBE.  I didn't do it on purpose. When I exited, I walked into the bathroom and it was there.  I looked breifly and notice I was a lot thinner and younger.  I also had a scar on my face that has since been cosmetically corrected by plastic surgery.  I found that to be very interesting.  

Sorry about getting off topic but I guess if a watch helps you get better at OBEs on command, it wasn't too far off topic.  

thanks again

D.C.

[cube]

Does anyone know of biofeedback equipment that detects when you're having REM sleep and then wakes you up?

I made an HTML page that you can use as an alarm clock. At the given time it plays 10 seconds of music, you can download it from:

Attachment: alarm.zip 1860 bytes

If you've got a laptop or an extra computer you can put it in your bedroom with the alarm page opened in Internet Explorer.


I was thinking about the fact that I couldn't see my body very well during the projection. I think it's because I just moved here and no one has seen me asleep in my bed, so there astral imprint of my sleeping body isn't strong here. However at my old place people had seen me sleeping and so I was able to see myself in bed after exiting.

[elbuscador]

A message for MajorTom.

I was prepared to order the watch and then my brother told me that in Robert Bruces book he mentions that jewelry can be a problem in making an exit. Please let me know how it goes when you recieve yours. I like your idea on using a watch because the tech. that I seem to be fairly successful at is waking up in the night. Remaining still. And then searching for the vibes. The vibra 3 would be great at waking you up without being too physically jarring(noisy[]). Warm regards.

            Kevin

[cube]

I set things up to have my alarm wake me up at 3. At 3 I woke, then went back to sleep but didnt project. However at 9 in the morning I found I was in mild paralysis. Being careful not to try to move my body before separating, I started doing deep breaths.


I switched between astral and physical vision more or less at random. I found that when I looked at myself with astral vision I could see my physical body and my astral hands were fuzzy, like red and yellow sand being swirled in a cup of water. I felt a little extra pressure when my hands passed through my body. When I separated and got up I looked at my body, all I could see was the red/yellow swirly thing where my body should have been.


I got up and walked through the window, this caused an accidental reality shift. I was in a western type of environment similar to colorado. I flew up and looked at the scenery, then down into the ground. Underground it was dark and I got lost so I thought of my body and teleported back.


I got up again and made a mirror on the wall to look at myself. I was a little younger and more built, my hairstyle was a mix of my current style and the one I had before it.


I attempted to heal certain parts of me but found that there wasn't anything to be healed. I expected there to be some damage and began imaginig it, then the damage appeared.


However it was not real damage and the projection ended soon after. I think that you can kill a projection by imagining stuff in the RTZ that's not actually there. When you start to access your imagination for info rather than your senses, you lose the connection with the astral and the projection blips out.


I think that's the reason my projections have been short so far. A lot of times as soon as I get there I materialise a hand using my imagination. That cuts my projection short.


The solution is to get there and stare at something and absorb all the info you can about it to make it as real as possible with no imaginary interference. That will maybe strengthen your connection to the astral and make the projection last longer.


That also means that any time your projection ends without you wanting it to end, the last 30 seconds or so of the projection were probably your imagination and not the astral. So if you're researching things in the RTZ or Akashic records and you lose your connection, throw out the last minute of information you collected because it's probably corrupted by imaginary input.


Stuff I did the night before that may have affected things: I had taken a bunch of melatonin to subvert insomnia, I had also done some aerobics before going to bed in order to work off a greasy sub sandwich I'd eaten. I think that limbering yourself up and getting circulation flowing does help to prepare you for an easier projection.