Getting from A to Y, but not from Y to Z

[ahzab33]

Hi,

I dont usually post questions here because a lot of them have been answered already. However, I felt it would be beneficial to seek guidance from those who have experienced projection to help shorten my learning curve in my specific case.

I have been practicing for a couple of months now, using Mastering AP as my guide along with a few supplemental books on the side. I can say that I have experienced many of the pre-OBE exit signs (rumbling sounds, voices, etc). Over time with practice I have been able to get into a relaxed state and to the point of surge quicker and quicker. My problem though is that the surge is usually as far as I am able to get. I get the full-body surge, remain calm, breathe, and then.... nothing. Still in my body.

I have used the following methods:

Rope
Phantom Wiggling (Moving a body part without tensing a muscle)
Shifting my point of reference
Levitation
Active Immersion into a scene
Flying
Visualizing the license plate on my car, a loved one, a beautiful woman, etc.
I even tried turning into a Werewolf like in the movies to keep awareness shifted from my body
Passively 'Noticing' sounds and images

At the point of surge I either continue doing what I was doing or rolling, willing myself to stand, etc. No luck yet.

I have tried this lying down and sitting. with and without brainwave generators, waking from sleep or before going to bed. All of these methods have proven succesful in getting me to the surge point, but not beyond it. I feel like I am on the cusp of a projection and just need the final push to get me over the hump. I'm sure you've all been here before. Any suggestions?

Thanks,

Jamil

[CFTraveler]

How far have you gone in MAP?   I ask because in the list of techniques I haven't seen any exit techniques, just 'waiting' for the surge.

[ahzab33]

How far have you gone in MAP?   I ask because in the list of techniques I haven't seen any exit techniques, just 'waiting' for the surge.

Currently in week 56 right now. You're right. Most of it is designed to put a significant amount of pressure on the astral body to force a separation between it and the physical body. I assume that at some point you will be pulled apart which is what the surge is I guess. But what comes next?

[CFTraveler]

What comes next is energy loosening techniques and exit techniques.  It does not provoke tension to force a separation, it does not force you apart,  it loosens the energy body so that you can take control of the exit.

[ahzab33]

What comes next is energy loosening techniques and exit techniques.  It does not provoke tension to force a separation, it does not force you apart,  it loosens the energy body so that you can take control of the exit.

Right. I am with you. Here's how it usually goes...

I sit down, lay down or what have you. I then start with breathing. Then from there I start raising energy throughout my body. Once I have energy flowing throughout my body I then try to intensify it by moving it around my body. I can usually feel the astral body stretching out past the limits of my physical body through my feet or my head. I then use one of the techniques mentioned above and then after a few minutes my heart starts pounding and I get this surge of what feels like electricity. I sit back and let it happen, but afterwards it dies and i'm still sitting there. Am I supposed to do something when it comes on strong like that? I tried willing myself out or rolling out. What do you guys do at or after that point?

[CFTraveler]

Here's the thing- I don't do energy work when I try to project- I get a strong flow going at other times, and when I practice I simply alternate body and mind relaxation, trance techniques, then I raise energy (the full body circuit) and go on to deepen the trance.  When I then have certain types of symptoms (I don't get vibes or surges any more) I then go to energy body loosening, some more noticing, and then I try an exit technique.

From the sound of your practice I think you are stimulating your energy body too much on the projection attempt and may not be tranced enough, so that when the projection reflex sets in you are too centered in your physical body.
So I suggest you do your energy work earlier, then work very hard to get in the deepest trance possible, and when you are sure you are ready, do some energy body loosening and then exit attempts.  If you don't get out, don't assume you have lost your window, simply go back to trance work and noticing, and try again.

[ahzab33]

Cool. Thanks for the advice. You have been very helpful. One more thing. This might sound like a stupid question but how do I know when to try the exit method (i.e. rollout, sit up, etc.)? For example I have been told to try and push my hand through solid matter, which I have managed to do many times by pushing my hand through the mattress. Is this a good indicator?

Thanks

[CFTraveler]

Cool. Thanks for the advice. You have been very helpful. One more thing. This might sound like a stupid question but how do I know when to try the exit method (i.e. rollout, sit up, etc.)? For example I have been told to try and push my hand through solid matter, which I have managed to do many times by pushing my hand through the mattress. Is this a good indicator?

Thanks

Youzas.  Well, I would never ask you to use your body to know if you're ready, because this would focus your attention on your body, which is the opposite of what you want when you're in deep trance.
I would suggest other things, like, see if you 'see things'; hear words (although that really doesn't work for me, because I often hear words too early in the trance) or just realize you're seeing your surroundings- any change in consciousness.  But if you do move your etheric body (such as having it go through the bed) it definitely is time for the exit.
I would suggest the rope method for your 'standard' symptoms (vibes, etc.) and waterski, rocking, rolling, etc. for 'floaty' type of movement sensations, and if you are seeing characters around you, ask them to pull you out.  There are many other methods but those are my favorite.
ps. If you are seeing a tube-type of vortex in front of you, 'lean' into it (as if you were 'falling' into a pool).  That one also works well.
I think the best exit technique is one that 'goes' with the type of symptom you are having.  If it's 'movement' sensation, then 'go' with it.

[Inner~Peace]

Youzas.  Well, I would never ask you to use your body to know if you're ready, because this would focus your attention on your body, which is the opposite of what you want when you're in deep trance.

I'd hafta agree.  I've ruined numerous attempts by being too eager and thinking "O..maybe i can move now!!" drawing my attention back to the physical.

[Chiron8]

Perhaps, in the evening, before you attempt to project, just give yourself some nice relaxation time. Make some tea, listen to some relaxing music, and don't worry about anything in particular, not even AP. Then, when you lie down and try to go to sleep, keep that relaxation with you. Don't try to force it. Just be willing to go with it, if it happens.

I personally don't think people should strain too hard to get an OBE. If your conscious mind was willing, it would happen naturally. I hope you don't get too discouraged by me saying that. You might get there faster, though, if you take a more indirect approach. This might sound very strange, but I'll bet if you took up swimming, it would improve your chances. Meditation may help too. I would recommend vipassana, or zen. If you don't want to go as far as formal, sitting, meditation, just practice being observant and objective, during the day.

One last suggestion would be to let yourself just enjoy your dreams, without stressing too much over them. You might find that to be a more rewarding experience, even if you aren't completely lucid in them.

[ahzab33]

Well... one thing about me is that I am patient and perservering in anything that I am determined to accomplish and this is one of those things. Even if it takes years to finally get it, I will get it. I feel like I am very close now as it is because of the common roadsigns people mention from their experiences. I have experienced many of them. As I mentioned, getting from A to Y has gotten pretty easy with all the practice. Its just that last push, that final oomph to get me over the hump.

I have probably read over 15 books in the last two months. A lot of helpful information in most of them. Some of them just cover experiences. Thats kinda what keeps me going, hearing about the experiences and make the conscious determination that I want to experience this as well. I have tried Direct and Indirect mehtods. Many say that Indirect is easier than trance induction but i've had better success with the trance induction than the indirect method. I always end up falling back to sleep using the indirect method... lol

But anyway, its a work in progress. Can't to come back and tell you guys about my first projection.