So I've been practicing projecting 1 or 2 times a day for a couple weeks (every morning at 4 am, sometimes in the afternoon when tired), and I am definitely getting more comfortable with the initial stages as almost every time I can induce some slight vibrations and usually falling sensation. I am one of those people who always has a really hard time falling asleep at night, so I think projecting will be a little more difficult for me. I wake up extremely easily so sleep paralysis is difficult.
Today in the afternoon I was able to fall asleep for 30 minutes, wake up, and try and induce SP. Executed it perfectly. I got very close to sleep paralysis and felt a very high level of dizziness and felt like the room was spinning. My consciousness definitely shifted and I felt a slight tingling. I eventually reached above me to "grab the rope" and it was just my physical hand. I wasnt in full SP yet.
My question is this: I've heard alot of ppl say they don't even need to get into SP to have an AP. What is your method then if you don't try and get into SP?
My other question is when is the right time to try and exit? Once all the symptoms subside and you get into that deep calm trance state?
My advice is, don't get fixated on any single thing right now. SP is a function of your sleep cycle; a small percentage of projectors mention it from time to time. But as a technique or something to aim for, you are going to go down a dead-end road. Same thing with vibrations; great if you get them, otherwise forget about it.
Read the sections in Permanent Astral Topics, read Szaxx's Astral Blueprint to start (in one of the top three sections)
As far as the "right time to project"... We are all different, so you have to experiment. Really, for someone new, the worst time is probably early evening or when you go to bed...your body is just too tired as well as your mind... Its a fine time to meditate, which is necessary to your development, but your ap attempts will likely be difficult.Naps are good times, middle of the night after a few hours' sleep, early morning...you have to experiment and there are other factors involved.
Quote from: EscapeVelocity on April 01, 2014, 23:08:28
My advice is, don't get fixated on any single thing right now. SP is a function of your sleep cycle; a small percentage of projectors mention it from time to time. But as a technique or something to aim for, you are going to go down a dead-end road. Same thing with vibrations; great if you get them, otherwise forget about it.
Read the sections in Permanent Astral Topics, read Szaxx's Astral Blueprint to start (in one of the top three sections)
As far as the "right time to project"... We are all different, so you have to experiment. Really, for someone new, the worst time is probably early evening or when you go to bed...your body is just too tired as well as your mind... Its a fine time to meditate, which is necessary to your development, but your ap attempts will likely be difficult.Naps are good times, middle of the night after a few hours' sleep, early morning...you have to experiment and there are other factors involved.
Thanks for the great advice. I'll definitely be going over to astral topics to read that thread. Could you explain what you mean by SP being a technique that is a dead end road?
SP is a biological condition that naturally occurs between sleep states, shutting down physical motor functions before you start a REM phase, so you don't thrash around and act out your dreams.
It's not something to aim for, as a target for meditation or trance work.
Some people, a small percentage, become sufficiently aware during SP. if you are one of those, then great! We can offer advice in how to take advantage of that. If not, then don't worry about it. SP has its problem side as well.
So don't focus on it. Read the Stickies and pick a technique from there.
People get fixated on finding SP or Vibrations... Its just misleading, you will waste time.
Read 2 things:
Szaxx's Astral Blueprint and Frank Kepple's Phasing Resource...all you need is there.
For starters.
Quote from: EscapeVelocity on April 02, 2014, 00:40:56
SP is a biological condition that naturally occurs between sleep states, shutting down physical motor functions before you start a REM phase, so you don't thrash around and act out your dreams.
It's not something to aim for, as a target for meditation or trance work.
Some people, a small percentage, become sufficiently aware during SP. if you are one of those, then great! We can offer advice in how to take advantage of that. If not, then don't worry about it. SP has its problem side as well.
So don't focus on it. Read the Stickies and pick a technique from there.
People get fixated on finding SP or Vibrations... Its just misleading, you will waste time.
Thank you, that's actually very encouraging to hear, because I'm having such a hard time getting into sleep paralysis lol. If there's other methods I can start to practice that would probably be alot easier, especially since I'm a light sleeper. The only reason I've been doing it this way is because I thought it was the only way, since I had the perfect storm last thursday and pretty much projected out of SP on accident. I will definitely be reading and re-reading those stickies you mentioned.
Last night I tried to follow Frank's method from the "Frank Resource" page where he talks about just noticing everything going on within your mind. Letting the pictures form and then become solid pictures and then trying to step into them. I woke up two different times with super vivid pictures in front of me, as real as this screen I'm looking at now. The first one was like a kaleidoscope with all these brilliant shapes and colors. Both times it was accompanied with feeling like I was weightless or floating. However I wasn't sure what to do from there, so it eventually subsided into sleep.
This question goes to anyone with experience- What should I have done to turn this into a projection?
Add some life to the scene generated. Expect to see a bird fly by in the distance. Know this will occur. You could then add noises too, the wind being a good one. You hear it and see trees swaying. You can then put yourself on a branch of the tree and sway too..
Picture what you'd see from that point of perspective and things will change into a perfect synchronicity. You'll be in the tree and your experience has now started. Imagine being a bird and fly up.
If your scene is a street scene, you can build on this too.
Expect city sounds and expect to see some life thats appropriate to the scene. Footsteps are a good starting point. Hear them and see whoever is making them walk by. The scene can wrap itself around you too. This is typical, you get a picture infront of you, build it and when things start to happen its all around you. Success is yours. Keep a strong intent on everything you do is going to work. No doubts, or fears etc.
Quote from: Szaxx on April 03, 2014, 17:55:24
Add some life to the scene generated. Expect to see a bird fly by in the distance. Know this will occur. You could then add noises too, the wind being a good one. You hear it and see trees swaying. You can then put yourself on a branch of the tree and sway too..
Picture what you'd see from that point of perspective and things will change into a perfect synchronicity. You'll be in the tree and your experience has now started. Imagine being a bird and fly up.
If your scene is a street scene, you can build on this too.
Expect city sounds and expect to see some life thats appropriate to the scene. Footsteps are a good starting point. Hear them and see whoever is making them walk by. The scene can wrap itself around you too. This is typical, you get a picture infront of you, build it and when things start to happen its all around you. Success is yours. Keep a strong intent on everything you do is going to work. No doubts, or fears etc.
Ok good, so I think I see what the goal is here. Once you get to this phase, where you're starting to see vivid images, NOW is when you switch from being a passive observer to an active participator? And the more you can sense these sensations, sight smell sound etc, the more it will come to life?
Is this how you would induce a lucid dream or an actual projection?
I think you are starting to understand that AP is not necessary in order to project. It is just a natural state that your body goes through while sleeping but if you ever gain your awareness while in SP, it is like a free ticket to ride.
With that said I do have a technique that induces SP for me most of the time.
After you have experienced SP a few times, you may notice, at least this is true for me, that the sensations seem to originate from your chest and stomach area. But if you suck in your gut, the muscle that is doing the work is the one I use to initiate my SP. Hold your breath for about five seconds while tensing that muscle and repeat the process. After about five minutes, try breathing normally but see if you can still recall the way your stomach muscles felt when you were doing the exercises. If not, then do them again. If so, just breath normally and Sp should sit in rather quickly.
I need to add that this breathing exercise can cause some people to hyperventilate so be aware of that.
Quote from: Astralzombie on April 03, 2014, 22:43:19
I think you are starting to understand that AP is not necessary in order to project. It is just a natural state that your body goes through while sleeping but if you ever gain your awareness while in SP, it is like a free ticket to ride.
With that said I do have a technique that induces SP for me most of the time.
After you have experienced SP a few times, you may notice, at least this is true for me, that the sensations seem to originate from your chest and stomach area. But if you suck in your gut, the muscle that is doing the work is the one I use to initiate my SP. Hold your breath for about five seconds while tensing that muscle and repeat the process. After about five minutes, try breathing normally but see if you can still recall the way your stomach muscles felt when you were doing the exercises. If not, then do them again. If so, just breath normally and Sp should sit in rather quickly.
I need to add that this breathing exercise can cause some people to hyperventilate so be aware of that.
Hmmm...that's extremely interesting. I actually find myself having trouble breathing quite often when I'm trying to slip into sleep paralysis. I'll wake up to myself not breathing and suck in a huge breath of air. Any idea what this is from?
I'll test out your breathing technique tonight as I go to sleep, see if it can't induce a SP. So you're saying suck in your gut and then hold your breath like that for 5 seconds. After 5 minutes just try and breathe normally but think about how that sensation feels, and that thought should induce the SP?
Also, I think this muscle you're talking about is the diaphragm, correct?
Quote from: Aaron330 on April 03, 2014, 22:03:43
Ok good, so I think I see what the goal is here. Once you get to this phase, where you're starting to see vivid images, NOW is when you switch from being a passive observer to an active participator? And the more you can sense these sensations, sight smell sound etc, the more it will come to life?
Is this how you would induce a lucid dream or an actual projection?
You start to interact once a scene presents itself. If you have created it entirely or it just appeared, the LD/AP issue becomes yours to control. I can initiate this, then get sent to a totally different scene where my services are required. Along the way I'll be given a data imprint to fill in what I need to know and some of my physical world memories are unavailable until later.
There's always something to sort out,
Quote from: Szaxx on April 04, 2014, 01:13:14
You start to interact once a scene presents itself. If you have created it entirely or it just appeared, the LD/AP issue becomes yours to control. I can initiate this, then get sent to a totally different scene where my services are required. Along the way I'll be given a data imprint to fill in what I need to know and some of my physical world memories are unavailable until later.
There's always something to sort out,
gosh, I hear you saying that but it just sounds too incredible to be true. I am being patient with it and only trying to project once a day (rather than 3 times), sometimes taking a day off...but geez I cannot wait to experience AP for the first time. It just sounds like the most amazing experience ever. It's like something you'd see in a movie, only better lol.
I've posted a few experiences, have a read of them. They'll give an impression of what to expect after many years of projections.
Okay so last night I had a dream that I was trying to project! It felt like a more lucid dream in the sense that I knew I was dreaming and I was trying to project from the dream. I kept seeing the beginnings of a white tunnel forming overtop of the dream and then it would fade. However the dream didn't feel any more vivid than normal and it still felt like I was watching myself in a story rather than controlling it. Also before falling asleep I was phasing and I eventually saw an actual 3D picture of this horrendous looking spider crawling across my vision. It scared me so much I woke up briefly (spiders are my worst fear lol).
Does this mean I'm gaining more awareness for being able to control a projection?