R Bruce's (Akashic Pulse) Astral Wind & the Monroe Belly Walk

[Pauli2]

For simplicity in the text below, I assume Locale II = Focus 23 - 27. If someone knows differently, please let us know.

I've read about experiences of the Akashic Pulse / Astral Wind from at least three sources. R Bruce gave the phenomena a name of his own invention, and a possible explanation. Interesting enough, Monroe did also experience the Astral Wind but never named it. There seems to be records of even older APers experiencing it, but I can't find the thread about it now, although I think it was someone back in the 1940ish.

Monroe describes it in his first book (page 83):

"A number of times, the motion of travel, which is usually rapid and smooth, has been interrupted by what fees like a violent, hurricanelike gust in the spatiality through which one moves. It is as if you are blown away by this uncontrolled force, tossed haphazardly around, end over end, like a leaf in a gale... ...it feels natural rather than artificially created."


Then Monroe mentions (page 122) an unusual event: "...a distant Signal, almost like heraldic trumpets." Everyone has to lay down and let some being walk on their bellies, forming a road of their stomachs! Monroe claimed it happened everywhere in Locale II. It's a little unclear to me if it also happened in F 27, as that concept didn't exist at the time of the writing of Monroe's first book.

My question is if anyone has experienced these phenomena and it the "distant Signal" has happened in F 27 as well?

Do you think the Astral Wind is related to Monroe's "distant Signal"?

R Bruce says that the Astral Wind is experienced in the RTZ, but Monroe's "hurricanelike gust" seems to occur while traveling to or through Locale II. Is the Astral Wind limited to a a certain area?

Who is the being that walks on astral peoples bellies?

[Xanth]

I have my own theory about what the "Astral Wind" is.

We all know that in the Astral, what you think = direct action.
So... this Astral Wind seems to be that in direct application.  However, the THOUGHT isn't necessarily a conscious one.

People mistake the changes in their Astral environment as an "exterior" thing all the time.  The change in your Astral environment actually comes from within you... whether it's from a conscious OR subconscious thought.  This 'change' could easily manifest itself as a sort of "pulling" or "pushing" upon your awareness which "takes" you to somewhere else.

So yeah... that's my thoughts on it.  It's nothing mystical or magical... it's just a result of not keeping a firm grip on your thoughts. 

Now to answer your question about the "on your bellies" thing.
I think Monroe didn't realize a few things about his astral adventures... I don't think he realized exactly that which I just spoke about, the whole "Thought = Direct Action" thing.  I think he was falling victim to this very application in this scenario.

Any of that make sense? 

[Stookie]

Monroe changed a lot of his thinking from the first book. I believe he even said that when he wrote it he didn't understand much and had changed a good number of ideas and theories he presented in that book. It was written in the 60's, wasn't it?

I think Monroe didn't realize a few things about his astral adventures... I don't think he realized exactly that which I just spoke about, the whole "Thought = Direct Action" thing.  I think he was falling victim to this very application in this scenario.

Maybe in the beginning, but Monroe definitely knew this. You can't properly explore the states of consciousness he did without knowing it. He mapped it out pretty darn well.

[CFTraveler]

Having just had an Astral Wind experience two nights ago, I have come to a somewhat differnt (but similar conclusion) about it- I think it is not so much a result of unfocused thought, but an indication of things that are going on in waking life.
In Robert Bruce's experiences, the Wind experiences precluded life changing events, and in my case, they have happened during times of great stress.
Perhaps your subconscious/higher self knows something is brewing, be it psychological (it 'notices' clues the conscious mind ignores or rationalizes away) or mystical (the Higher Self having previous knowledge of what is about to happen)- either way it's a reflection of what's happening in waking reality.
Just a thought, and an opinion, which is always subject to change.

[Pauli2]

thanks for your responses.

I wonder if the Belly-Walker was some kind of test on Monroe by his I-There? They wanted to know if he had managed to free himself from his upbringings Biblical view of God?

Monroe writes in his first book that thought is direct action. He also states that every feeling, also those feelings unknown to him, would surface once he reached Locale II (F 22 or F 23 and beyond) and it took some time before he could control things.

[Xanth]

Well, I just get the immense feeling like he didn't actually APPLY that knowledge.
I say this because, I feel that a some of what he experienced can easily be chalked up as such.

[Xanth]

Having just had an Astral Wind experience two nights ago, I have come to a somewhat differnt (but similar conclusion) about it- I think it is not so much a result of unfocused thought, but an indication of things that are going on in waking life.
In Robert Bruce's experiences, the Wind experiences precluded life changing events, and in my case, they have happened during times of great stress.
Perhaps your subconscious/higher self knows something is brewing, be it psychological (it 'notices' clues the conscious mind ignores or rationalizes away) or mystical (the Higher Self having previous knowledge of what is about to happen)- either way it's a reflection of what's happening in waking reality.
Just a thought, and an opinion, which is always subject to change.

And a great opinion/thought too. 
It's very possible.  Our High Selves are supposed to know what's best for us, right? 

[Stookie]

Well, I just get the immense feeling like he didn't actually APPLY that knowledge.
I say this because, I feel that a some of what he experienced can easily be chalked up as such.

I don't understand. Example?

[Xanth]

How'd I know you'd ask that.

I can't remember any particularly off the top of my head...
It's just that reading through some of the experiences he relayed in his book, I couldn't help but think "That's so created by yourself."

I'll try to sift through the book again when/if I read it again and mark out some examples. 

[Stookie]

How'd I know you'd ask that.

That's Stookie for ya! But take your time... I'm off for the weekend. Have a good one yourself!

[CFTraveler]

@ Xanth:
I think this is easy for us to figure out, because we already have made this paradigm something possible, or at least 'not so strange'.  But remember that at the time that RAM did all his research and began having experiences, the 'usual' worldview was very different,  he didn't have the background/paradigm we do, so it more than likely took him many many years to come to that conclusion (or realization, who knows), and by the time he did, he already had published books and had a fanclub.
I'm just sayin'.

[CFTraveler]

Have a nice one, Stookie.

[Pauli2]

I can't remember any particularly off the top of my head...
It's just that reading through some of the experiences he relayed in his book, I couldn't help but think "That's so created by yourself."

Monroe has described his strange dream he had for years, a dream which disappeared after his first OBE. The dream was Monroe flying an air plane between houses. He couldn't let off because there were lots of wires between the roof tops, preventing Monroe from going up in the air. He was constantly seeking for a gap between the wires through out his recurring air plane dream.

Monroe was exposed to several lessons by his I-There over many years. Have you considered those "created" experiences to be part of lessons rather than created by his mind?

[Xanth]

@ Xanth:
I think this is easy for us to figure out, because we already have made this paradigm something possible, or at least 'not so strange'.  But remember that at the time that RAM did all his research and began having experiences, the 'usual' worldview was very different,  he didn't have the background/paradigm we do, so it more than likely took him many many years to come to that conclusion (or realization, who knows), and by the time he did, he already had published books and had a fanclub.
I'm just sayin'.

Oh definitely.  I love the fact that we have access to the internet where we have places like the Astral Pulse and Astral Dynamics to bounce information off each other like this. 

And Pauli, yes, I did/do consider that a possibility.  You may not believe it, but I do consider other options along side my held opinions. 

[Pauli2]

My impression is that the Belly-Walker is part of the BST Focuses. And I'm wondering if the B-W appears in say, Buddhistic BSTs, as they are less dependent on a Higher God?

I also think that Monroe had pondered over the fact that the Astral Wind (named by R Bruce) could be Monroe's own mind's construction. The edition of his first book I have is a re-print from well after 1985, and by that time Monroe had had lots of time to think things over and compare his experiences with others.

Apparently Monroe did few changes to his first book and even kept the notion of Locales, as he still considered them valid in a rough sense even after having created his Focus Level system.

But, well, the Belly-Walker is a strange being. So I'm not entirely writing it of as not being Monroe's own mind playing tricks to him.