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[Soulfire]

Hi,

I think if you move your physical significantly, it recalls the energy body back instantly to itself.  I would GUESS that if you felt you moved and felt at the same time seperated from your energy body, that you might have had it backwards: you actually moved your astral body and only thought you were still controlling your physical body.  This type of thing happens to me sometimes where I have seperated but don't realize that I did, and so I still think I am in the physical.  I also screw up my projections sometimes trying to figure out if I have seperated yet.  

One time I just laid there in bed for what seemed a long time waiting for the seperation to finish, then finally gave up and rolled over to go to sleep...and could feel part of my body moving through the mattress (I had sunk down into the mattress).  In retrospect, I think I had seperated long ago and just did not know it, so I wasted most of my projection waiting to project.

--Soulfire

[Avalon]

Thanks for you response Soulfire.

I have also moved my physical body during a projection to the Astral tube entrance.  The overwhelming feeling of hyperwarping into the tunnel caused me to physically move myself in order to get there quicker.

Hard to let go of the physical sometimes I guess.  I am reading up on the mind split affect in Astral Dynamnics as I have yet to recognize the split.

Thanks again!
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[beavis]

I think Robert Bruce wrote about both bodies moving at the same time.

[Avalon]

He writes about an experience he had when his physical saw his projected double, if that is what you are referring to.  

I don't think I'm quite ready for that experience.  I need to figure out how to get out first!

[beavis]

His point of writing about that is that you can be out and not know it because you pay attention to your physical body. Just because its active doesnt mean you arent out.

[sstonevenuss]

my first obe's were spontaneous...but there was a backwards spinning sensation that started in my head, and if i didn't fight it, pop, i was out.  also, a sound, like waves of vibration passing over and around my head. I could actually feel the sound and vibrations as a rolling pressure as it passed my ears and head in the same path as the spinning. from front to back. almost like passing through tunnels just big enough for my head to fit through. vwoosh, vwoosh, vwoosh...

so, when i would have these sensations, i would not try to think...about what why etc...just go with it.

a lot of people talk about fear stopping them. i find that the fear is only attached to the ego. to your human body that want to protect itself from losing you. it is a built in alarm to stop these things from happening naturally. the fear stays with your body, so when you go out, it stops immediatedly. you may be confused and concerned at first, but you will get over that very quickly, because if your first thought, once out, is to be back in, guess what, you will be. so all that work for nothing. good luck, A.

[Avalon]

Has anyone found that they were able to move their physical body away from their projected body?

After trying to AP late one night, I gave up and rolled over to sleep.  Within about 30 seconds, I felt like I had "spun" or "rolled quickly", I felt dizzy for a moment.  

I have had this experience when I am ill and sleeping.  But in trying to figure out what might have happened, I wondered if I physically turned away from my projected body leaving it laying where I had been and my projected body actually moved back into my physical body.

I've been on the cusp of AP but find that I am unable to "get out".  My  newest technique is actually based on the one spontaneous OBE I had years ago in which I floated straight up to a sitting position in bed.  Imagining I am sitting up in bed seems to be getting me closer than the Rope Technique, Bouncing and all the variations but still no noticable separation.