Can Your body be taken while OBE?

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Superh

Well the main thin that stops me from wanting to OBE/AP is the idea the my body could be taken by another entitie while i'm out of it.
Recently i almost had my first OBE but i stoped it as i was unsure what it was, and i thought my body was being attacked/could have been stolen

I have always thought that demonic spirits can enter and possess your body during that time and that to have an OBE is dangerous due to that possibility.

I have also heard that even having this belief makes it mroe of a possibility :/

Is this a rational fear preventing me from OBE? How would i know if it was going to happen or to stop it?

If someone could clear it up for me i would apreciate it much! Thanks!

Pauli2

No, none can take over your body due to the mind-split effect (named by Robert Bruce). One part of you are still in-body while OBE.

If someone can, please come back and tell us. :)
Former PauliEffect (got lost on server crash), http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pauli_effect

CFTraveler

Quote from: Superh on May 30, 2011, 20:19:05
Well the main thing that stops me from wanting to OBE/AP is the idea the my body could be taken by another entitie while i'm out of it.
Like Pauli said, you don't leave your body empty, you experience what it is to be out of the body but part of you stays in, and after a while you can experience bilocation, at first you usually have the mind split so the experience becomes serialized, and you experience where your conscious awareness goes.

QuoteRecently i almost had my first OBE but i stoped it as i was unsure what it was, and i thought my body was being attacked/could have been stolen
No can-do, more than likely you were experiencing energy body feedback, due to not having moved your conscious awareness away.

QuoteI have always thought that demonic spirits can enter and possess your body during that time and that to have an OBE is dangerous due to that possibility.
Too much mythology, too many movies.

QuoteI have also heard that even having this belief makes it mroe of a possibility :/
Having this belief makes it more likely that you will experience something scary, because your energy body is thought responsive, and will do whatever your emotions direct it to.

QuoteIs this a rational fear preventing me from OBE? How would i know if it was going to happen or to stop it?
If you can't 'not believe it' in the first place, then reason it- talk to people who have experienced the mind split/bilocation effect, and this should make you feel better.  There is other logic to this, but at the moment I think this should be enough.

QuoteIf someone could clear it up for me i would apreciate it much! Thanks!
Well I hope this helps.

Stillwater

While no one can say for sure, for obvious reasons (and you should not believe anyone that says they "know" it can't happen), it does not seem to occur from what I have seen, and the reports I have read over the years. I have of course read numerous accounts of people believing they have had a spirit attach to them, but I don't recall any instance where the attachment started from a projection experience.

So while it is within the realm of the possible, it does not seem something you should spend time worrying about, much like it is technically possible that something may fall out of a window and kill you while walking the street, but it is so improbable as to not warrant much thought  :wink:
"The Gardener is but a dream of the Garden."

-Unattributed Zen monastic

Tee1234

Quote from: Superh on May 30, 2011, 20:19:05
Well the main thin that stops me from wanting to OBE/AP is the idea the my body could be taken by another entitie while i'm out of it.
Recently i almost had my first OBE but i stoped it as i was unsure what it was, and i thought my body was being attacked/could have been stolen

I have always thought that demonic spirits can enter and possess your body during that time and that to have an OBE is dangerous due to that possibility.

I have also heard that even having this belief makes it mroe of a possibility :/

Is this a rational fear preventing me from OBE? How would i know if it was going to happen or to stop it?

If someone could clear it up for me i would apreciate it much! Thanks!

I see absolutely nothing negative about it. Its relatively unknown, and when something is misunderstood there's gonna be rumors. Drop the fear and find out, your psyching yourself out. Grab the bull by the horns. :wink:



Volgerle

it's the stuff of horror movies ... and that (already) says it all ...

NoY

you go out of body every night when you sleep and your not possesed
all you would be doing is staying conscious  :roll:


:NoY:

Bellend_1010

Man if this was true I think there would be be loads of reports of "posessions".

Superh

Quote from: CFTraveler on May 30, 2011, 22:26:19
Like Pauli said, you don't leave your body empty, you experience what it is to be out of the body but part of you stays in, and after a while you can experience bilocation, at first you usually have the mind split so the experience becomes serialized, and you experience where your conscious awareness goes.
No can-do, more than likely you were experiencing energy body feedback, due to not having moved your conscious awareness away.
Too much mythology, too many movies.
Having this belief makes it more likely that you will experience something scary, because your energy body is thought responsive, and will do whatever your emotions direct it to.
If you can't 'not believe it' in the first place, then reason it- talk to people who have experienced the mind split/bilocation effect, and this should make you feel better.  There is other logic to this, but at the moment I think this should be enough.
Well I hope this helps.


Hey thanks for this, could you explain a bit mroe about this "energy body feedback" thing to me please? im interested as i thought i was about to have an OBE. Here is anotehr thread in which i detail what happened( http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_astral_projection_experiences/can_your_body_be_taken_while_obe-t34191.0.html;msg283253#msg283253 ). In short, i was fully concious/awake, had some weird mental images then all of a sudden my mind felt like i would explode!

thanks everyone for clearing this up for me! Gonna try AP some time soon !

CFTraveler

Quote from: Superh on May 31, 2011, 21:24:20
Hey thanks for this, could you explain a bit mroe about this "energy body feedback" thing to me please? im interested as i thought i was about to have an OBE. Here is anotehr thread in which i detail what happened( http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_astral_projection_experiences/can_your_body_be_taken_while_obe-t34191.0.html;msg283253#msg283253 ). In short, i was fully concious/awake, had some weird mental images then all of a sudden my mind felt like i would explode!

thanks everyone for clearing this up for me! Gonna try AP some time soon !
Hi.  I searched for references, but they were all kind of half-explanations, so here goes:
When you project, you don't leave your body 'empty', because your spirit animates your body- what happens is that a certain part of your energy body (the aspect called the 'etheric body') expands all around your area (room) and in theory, your conscious awareness will move 'out' of your body into your expanded etheric body.  Think of this etheric body as 'radar', which perceives it's surroundings.  When you have this type of projection (aka an OBE to the RTZ or etheric OBE) you perceive your material surroundings- it can feel/look like you pop out of your body and now you are floating around your room.

Energy body feedback happens quite often- it happens in the early part of a projection, where your energy body has expanded but your conscious awareness hasn't fully exteriorized- you may feel like in your room and there's 'someone' in the room with you.  This is also called a 'Dweller' experience, and this can be felt as energy, seen as a person or even as a hooded figure- it depends on what you believe.

What is really happening is that you are feeling your own energy body within your own physical area, which has not transferred out yet; and since it's your energy and is connected to you, whatever you feel (usually fear due to the activation of the amygdala) will be fed back to the energy body, which will then amplify and feed back the fear to you.  Now this can cause a feedback loop that may cause the fear to become unbearable or the shape of your energy body to become scary- and this may eventually wake you and cause you to break paralysis, but if you can control the fear you can 'go' towards the energy/shadow/figure and reintegrate with it away from your body.  If you are successful you will then feel propelled quickly through the room and if you can, take advantage of the speed and get away from your body.
As soon as you get away from your body the feedback will break and you will be free (for a short time) to fly around and investigate, but more than likely it won't last long, because you usually use up a lot of energy in the fear loop, so you might as well just wiggle your toe, which is a guaranteed way to break paralysis. (At least for me.)


Tee1234

Quote from: CFTraveler on May 31, 2011, 23:01:03
Hi.  I searched for references, but they were all kind of half-explanations, so here goes:
When you project, you don't leave your body 'empty', because your spirit animates your body- what happens is that a certain part of your energy body (the aspect called the 'etheric body') expands all around your area (room) and in theory, your conscious awareness will move 'out' of your body into your expanded etheric body.  Think of this etheric body as 'radar', which perceives it's surroundings.  When you have this type of projection (aka an OBE to the RTZ or etheric OBE) you perceive your material surroundings- it can feel/look like you pop out of your body and now you are floating around your room.

Energy body feedback happens quite often- it happens in the early part of a projection, where your energy body has expanded but your conscious awareness hasn't fully exteriorized- you may feel like in your room and there's 'someone' in the room with you.  This is also called a 'Dweller' experience, and this can be felt as energy, seen as a person or even as a hooded figure- it depends on what you believe.

What is really happening is that you are feeling your own energy body within your own physical area, which has not transferred out yet; and since it's your energy and is connected to you, whatever you feel (usually fear due to the activation of the amygdala) will be fed back to the energy body, which will then amplify and feed back the fear to you.  Now this can cause a feedback loop that may cause the fear to become unbearable or the shape of your energy body to become scary- and this may eventually wake you and cause you to break paralysis, but if you can control the fear you can 'go' towards the energy/shadow/figure and reintegrate with it away from your body.  If you are successful you will then feel propelled quickly through the room and if you can, take advantage of the speed and get away from your body.
As soon as you get away from your body the feedback will break and you will be free (for a short time) to fly around and investigate, but more than likely it won't last long, because you usually use up a lot of energy in the fear loop, so you might as well just wiggle your toe, which is a guaranteed way to break paralysis. (At least for me.)



I heard a couple different theories on what it could be and im still undecided. -heres 3 possibilities.
1)could be your soul
2)etheric body/energy
3)just your mind wandering to a different dimension.

I like the thought of us being more than a physical body. Its not something your gonna find in a science book anytime soon but im gonna go with that(2). Maybe we were all born with the power to create this energy body, yet it was never taught how to use it. So its unheard of..

..Would explain alot about the vibration, and that energy sensation thing going on right before you exit.

I think it might be somewhat similar to the soul theory but I think that stays put till you go to sleep for good.