I can obe easily but not a real one

[AndrewTheSinger]

I'm not sure I understand what you're trying to achieve.

If you mean obe (real-time projection) I guess you'll have to be charged with etheric energy. They say that kind of energy is stored around the navel chakra, and when one leaves the body thinking it's dying it causes an amount of etheric matter to be channeled to the astral body. Maybe it is possible to have the same result by suggestion and indution.

If you mean projecting to higher planes you could go about projecting your astral body and then project your mental body from within the astral. Put your astral body aside in a comfortable position and elevate your thoughts. It's like meditating in the astral, but instead of just feeling the expanded awareness you'll go and leave your astral body behind.


I've used those techniques for lucid dreaming and they worked pretty well, but only in the dreams. They don't seem effective when I obe. But yes, if you start spinning in the dream and keep on spinning non-stop after everything goes black you'll find youself floating around the bedroom.

[weagle]

This is my second day I had an obe from my lucid dreaming.  This time I tried again the 5-6hours wakeup stay up 1 hour go back to sleep.  And again as I go back to sleep I pay attention to the hypnogogic imagery (don't think about or or remark about it) and do body heaviness (sign of body falling asleep) and do body awareness but this time I fell asleep but was alert and immediately I said "Astral Project, Now!" I think the now was important to say last time I didn't say it. And then I saw myself in my bed moving out of my body turn around saw myself on my bed which this time looked more realistic but when I stepped outside it was ok for 10 seconds then after when I went to the front yard I saw anomalies ie people walking their dogs which look like a mental construct instead of the physical plane.  Then after 10-20 more seconds I wanted to do more things but funny thing I think I ran out of energy and I woke up from it (amazing my body even does this usually I'd drift to the dream state).  It was still a low level projection though didn't last long woke up from it and I didn't go through the heaviness/static noise/rush of energy I just moved right on out which is a crappy way.  I know having a lot of energy is important to have a high level obe than low level one because the difference is you stay out longer I believe and its less of a mental construct/abnormality since you are getting more imput from the physical world (like a cell phone who's batteries are fully charged I'd like to put it).  Does the spinning give you a lot of energy?  I'm wondering if what you say is true energy stored in naval or is it really you have to train the brain to be more alert/aware like in robert monroe's tapes where he even gives you things you can do to make yourself more alert ie touch back of your head say 1. I wonder if I did it in a obe/lucid would I become more alert or have more energy?  I wonder also if the reality checks will help (ie check hands which are wavy in dreams/numbers which change if you look more than 3 times) or doing body awareness.  I know how to trigger obe very well now in the lucid state, just imagine you're outside the body hold next to the bed and just hold the thought while falling asleep and you'll feeling tingling sensation end up being out or if you fall into lucid dreaming just say astral project now and you will somehow go out.  Also does it matter if you keep practicing this technique everyday, will the projections get any better because of your alertness because you are doing it everyday?  It's wonderful that there is a backdoor to obe's through lucid dreaming until one can achieve it everytime in conscious state just that I noticed an obe from a conscious state (ie do body awareness exercises, hear static noise then project) you've got more of your senses/awareness actually see spirit beings and very little of it is a mental construct but a better map of the physical plane/astral world.  But I did one time had a conscious obe full alert and morning after through lucid dream (commanded it) and both looked like fully alert ones.  I would love to improve the abilities just wondering which is the best direction to take.

[AndrewTheSinger]

Hmm, I never thought of those strong trance sensations as a recipe for a remarkable obe, but now that you mention... when I get heavy vibrations I just pretend to be dead and they gently push me away from my body or get me straight into a lucid dream. As for the obes I haven't noticed much differences to their quality based on how I exit, there are usually things that don't match with the physical world and they increase as I go on exploring.

What I think is that it doesn't have to do with awareness but with vibrational rate. The theory says the planes are all permeating each other, each one on it's own vibrational rate. Matter is energy, and for our physical body is at the same vibrational rate of the world that surrounds us the energy seems solid, it is condensed. Once the astral body sets free from the physical it goes to the plane where it belongs, those planes that match with it's vibrational rate so that it can act.

I'm not sure it is possible to remain in the real-time zone without 'reality fluctuations' since it's not the natural place for our astral body to be.
When you saw people walking their dogs it could have had a relation with what was going on the physical plane at that time, but it has been shown to you in a symbolic way.

I wonder if someone could remain in real-time by being so apathetic to the surrounding envirnoment that the mind won't bother finding a place for that astral body to interact/play. Cause if you happen to be in real-time and try to open a window that window will open, and that will mean you're not in real time anymore, the window will be just a thought-form provided for your interaction, you'll have slipped to the astral dimension. I would appreciate if anyone could help elaborate some more on this. I think the nature of the projection depends basically on the person's mood at the time of the projection, how he's feeling spiritually and stuff, his actual rate of vibration/amount of specific energy, apathy/interest...
Well, just something worth trying.

The spinning gives me alot of clarity. When I'm out I can see and move very well as long as I don't rush the process. I must spin for as long as it takes and don't think of anything else, don't try to see, don't try to hear, just spin and wait for it to do the work. When I'm done I can say I'm neatly stabilized. I use the spin method during the trance state, and what I experience with the spin doesn't differ much from what I experience when I simply move my awareness away from the body. The main difference is that the spin gives me instant clarity and stability, on the other hand when I just move on I have to touch the things around me in order to gain sight and better tune in the dimension, but I don't see it going any further. Most of them seem to last a few minutes.


Im not very familiar with energy work, but as to what I've read the etheric energy is what keeps the non-physical being close to the physical. Mediums lend their etheric energy to spirits so that they can be materialized.
Robert Bruce even said: there are natural barriers to real-time projection, and that one of them is the amount of etheric matter generated and channelled to the astral body, it limits the duration of any real time projection to the degree of chakra development and control.


I believe those tests can raise your alertness and you really have to try to find out how they will work for for you. Your projections will surely get better, but eventually one or another will go bad, it will depend on your mood and ability to put into practice what you've learned.

[weagle]

It's interesting I was again third day able to pull off an obe actually near lucid/on brink of sleep did the 5-6hour sleep 15-20min awake (then listened to intro to focus 10) for 37mins then did some body awareness for 20mins then drift to sleep I literally felt my body and my point of awareness slip out of my body as I was drifting to sleep and again I saw myself on the bed I saw instead of me my grandmom (she contacted me one time in lucid dream shortly after she passed away) then I was upset and said Clarity Now! I also said the words Stronger, Longer then I felt myself jump into my body and back out again and saw myself on the bed again but only anomaly was magic markers beside me on my bed (maybe they symbolize the dreams I write that I write when I wake up).  Then I woke up drained of energy from it, it didn't last long and after doing it 3 days in a row the third day it felt as though I had the most numbness on my body (thats the side effects I guess with obe/lucid dreaming) but bizarrely I think I have more physical energy because of my skin condition (psoriasis) was improving a little ie feeling more itching/healing than burning.  I just don't last long in this mode and ironicly I think my mind is now trained pretty good to enter it almost everytime 3 days in a row and successful but it just doesn't last long and I don't get so far out only upto my front yard of my house.  I gotta keep on trying what tricks to get this thing to produce more energy.  I know one time I did a conscious type obe took me an hour of listening to monroe/body awareness but it was the full obe ie energy shooting through the head/chest then static noise then being free but this one was so low level I just drifted out of my body without being charged or hearing any static noise. It makes me wonder what kinda of obe this really is compared to the other one?  But the other one definately was stable I saw a ghost walking in the house then when I went downstairs saw other transparent/white things in the other room as well.  I have to try the spinning/rubbing hands next time, I was trying to say other verbal things ie stronger/longer to indicate give me more energy so I can stay out longer but maybe I should say it after I rub my hands or spin.

[weagle]

Man I had another lucid dream/false obe it looked real but wasn't just a darn good dream construct.  I was dreaming of a place they took a guys brain disected it and uploaded it with info so he wouldn't have to learn anything just whatever they inputed him.  I always came to my room/bed all the time I know I was dreaming either I would pull out of it or later find myself in my bed again trying to get out of the body.  First time I tried my legs were stuck, then I said I won't do it that way again.  Then the next time I slipped out, noticed I was not going through solid objects said I didn't get out went back in.  Then I got out saw a lot of little kids went outside through the wall in backyard noticed it was super nice weather when really its ice pellets raining it looked prety good I saw some anomalies but it was more solid this time around. I went around saw a apartment building when it should of been a houses all around turned around went back to my house, saw my old car in the driveway we sold long time ago went through the door normally cause I noticed I could not go through walls again then saw my parents they looked darn real and interacted with me dad even pushed me down and I even felt it, I went into my room and I said to myself damn this obe is lasting too long I hope I can get back to me body, the real physical phone rang and woke me up otherwise I could of gone on and on with this virtual dream.  It just makes me wonder was all of this a dream construct and how am I ever going to obe from a false dream state if everything looks real?  It's as if I trained my brain to see my bed all the time in dreams but makes me wonder how I can make them the real deal obe's with the true physical plane.  And I think the disecting of/programming of the brain could mean the effort/meditation and monroe tapes I'm listening to.

[AndrewTheSinger]

Hey there, nice experiences!

Once during a lucid dream I was told how to pass through solid objects. You're meant to go through them making the sound 'tssssss', you know that sound you hear when you open a can of soda? Thats is, I've been using it so far with 100% success, it worked even when I thought it wasn't going to work.

I don't know if one could also go through solid objects mooing or barking, but if your intent is not enough to make it happen then I strongly suggest you use the 'tsss' thing.

Ah, you make the sound with your mouth! []

[weagle]

yeah I wonder what it means to see children looking over your physical body and also looking over you.  Is there really a lot of children in the astral world close to the physical plane?  Or is it just a symbol of somethiing I know the people walking with dogs was a symbol.  I also wonder what it means to see your dad and having it be so real ie dad plays around knocked me down and I even felt it.  I know they say spirits may be trasparent so far I was seeing them solid I wonder if those kids are even spirits or just a construct of my mind, that is what I really want to figure out then things can get interesting.  I also wonder if I do obe and say your brother/dad is in the next room I wonder why you can't see them there?  Just some questions to ponder about.

[clandestino]

Hi folks, I did exactly the same thing at the weekend...Went to sleep for approx 6hours, awoke myself earlier than usual, listened to focus 10 exercise.

My concentration held well, but I didn't seem to make any progress towards phasing. Next thing I know, I heard Monroe's voice telling me to "wake up, open your eyes". So I turned off the CD, took off the earphones and lay down. My body fell asleep quite quickly whilst my mind remained awake. I could then feel vibrations rising in me, and my legs were seperating from my body. The more I concentrated on the vibrations, the less frequent they became....so I lay back and just "watched" them happening. My body gradually seperated completely, and I rolled onto the floor.

I stood up to see myself lying on my bed in the darkness of the room. But, my physical eyes were open and I seemed to be convulsing ! this didn't look too pleasant. My first thought was "Get back in to your body", as Robert Bruce had said to keep it short, to increase the chances of remembering it. So I floated up above my body, and attempted a re-entry, but I couldn't get back in !!

I was hugging myself from behind, my astral forehead pressed against the back of my physical head, but it was no use ! I started to panic, but the panic disappeared after a few seconds after I got hold of myself. I told myself "hang on a minute, this sort of thing is nothing to worry about", and then I just sort of faded out into sleep.

[AndrewTheSinger]

I don't use that method to project, but after some hours of sleep I become more lucid in the dreams and notice the trance state more often. I can't actually sleep 10 hours straight, so I sleep and wake, sleep and wake, and when I wake I feel wether I can start a projection from there, or I start it in the dream, when it fades and gets all dark and I get in trance.

Today I dreamed I was in bed and I was staring at my face from outside I guess, then I decided to project and closed my eyes. Got back in trance and imagined some sparkling lights vibrating at my temples. When the vibrations started I closed my physical eyes tightly and began spinning, and then I was floating away from my bed. I stood in the middle of my bedroom and decided to use the mirror to get to my brother's house. I could see my reflex in the mirror but I thought if I entered it it would get me there somehow. It turned out it didn't, I got into the mirror and was still in my room, but still moving I made a curve downwards and saw a bed and a clock, but then I noticed I was back to my body staring at the floor.

[weagle]

I had another lucid type dream where I wanted to astral project somehow my legs were still stuck so I couldn't get out but I continued the lucid dreaming thing. It is really amazing when you know you are dreaming and just look at things and see how darn real they look to you and you are aware and can control the dream somehow. But the 5-6hours then awake (stay awake for 15-60mins) then go back to sleep works almost everytime so far 7 days 5 of the times I was able to astral project/fake project, 1 of the time I just mentioned I tried to project and failed still was lucid and one time I didn't have any lucid dreams at all maybe my body was too tired that day but so far I've been having success with this technique.  I think reason being they say after 6 hours the last dream/rem states pertain more to real events that will happen mainly because the mind and partially the body has been fully recharged and relaxed a lot but still the body needs a little more juice but since you wake up so to speak stay awake then fall back to sleep you keep the mind a little more awake than normal and reason why you can lucid dream more easily and from there astral project.  Now if I keep with the program ie wake up 6 hours wash the eyes then listen to monroe's tapes I've heard Frank had success with induction ie now he can go to focus 10 (mind awake/body asleep) close to almost on command.  I've seen some people who can do this which is amazing at their will they can fall into focus 10 and then astral project.  The only time I had a conscious astral projection is when I woke up after 5 hours of sleep and went to work, so I stayed awake for like 6 hours then when I went to do the meditation ie hemi-sync then body awareness exercises somehow I just got out instead of falling asleep go lucid then get out.  I think prolonging your sleep does something extra on the alertness thing but I'm still happy with the 5-6hours stay awake 1hour then sleep cause that can't do ya any harm anyways.  What was freaky I did the same thing one other time ie 5-6hours sleep awake stay awake for 6 hours, I took the wild lettuce herb/sedative and I had freaky lucid obe's ie 6 times in a row (6 false awakenings) where as I would maybe have 1 or 2 in the normal scenario. That was amazing but it sure drained my energy thats for sure.

quote:Originally posted by AndrewTheSinger

I don't use that method to project, but after some hours of sleep I become more lucid in the dreams and notice the trance state more often. I can't actually sleep 10 hours straight, so I sleep and wake, sleep and wake, and when I wake I feel wether I can start a projection from there, or I start it in the dream, when it fades and gets all dark and I get in trance.

Today I dreamed I was in bed and I was staring at my face from outside I guess, then I decided to project and closed my eyes. Got back in trance and imagined some sparkling lights vibrating at my temples. When the vibrations started I closed my physical eyes tightly and began spinning, and then I was floating away from my bed. I stood in the middle of my bedroom and decided to use the mirror to get to my brother's house. I could see my reflex in the mirror but I thought if I entered it it would get me there somehow. It turned out it didn't, I got into the mirror and was still in my room, but still moving I made a curve downwards and saw a bed and a clock, but then I noticed I was back to my body staring at the floor.

[weagle]

I don't know but anyone has any techniques to force a full blown obe from a lucid or low level obe.  I only twice in my lifetime had a full blown obe both from a conscious state and lucid state.  It's easy to do a fake obe if you do the 6 hours awake 3 (stay up 1 hour) then go back to sleep this way mind is awake/alert a little doesn't fall asleep to the dream.  Many times I was able to manipulate my dreams ie I see something (hypnogogic) but then I would imagine myself standing by the bed and all of a sudden I feel like tingling in my body and also movement and if I keep the thought for 5-10 seconds bam I'm out feel myself in that spot but it's all false and not the true obe (ie no static noise, no body heaviness like one time and no spirit/entities and many anomalies).  I would come out and see myself on the bed then I'd be making funny signs at myself on the bed instead of lying asleep or I go outside and see many anomalies and no ghostly spirits, it's almost a dream.  I even try to say something to get myself into a higher alert or real obe like saying astral project and it would not work or I would say the function commands for self healing would not feel any response but if I was FULLY alert into a dream one time I said I want to go out it did it automatically also said the function command felt a response it's like a VERY VERY low level obe or like not much external input and mostly mental construction/imagined but it annoys me because I know I am dreaming but I am trying to give my mind commands to make it a full blown obe and it will not respond except for getting out and moving around thats all it does.  There has to be ways to make the mind more alert in a dreamstate anyone know what they are?  I'm thinking of trying some from labarge's lucidity ie make a lucid dream last longer try spinning or rubbing hands etc.. I dunno if it would work for obe's?