Noticing ( question to Xanth and others how are phasing )

[vstachu]

Hi

Im practicing noticing in my free time during day and sometime i see some stuff mostly flashes
Today i spend half day on practice ( with breaks ) and sometimes  i start to "see" after about 15 min and sometime i sit 40 min and see nothing

Obviously this is working because i see stuff but im missing the key that make me to see
So i read again in your book part about noticing

"(...) You can't just sit/lie there and "look" at the blackness, because that will do absolutely nothing (...) Simply
put, you won't phase using the noticing exercise unless you actually notice!"

I sit down close my eyes I notice a noise ( like camera noise ) and i stare in to that but nothing build-up and sometime i start see flashes

1. what key im missing ?
2. why this "stuff" fades away after a while  ? its because im looking to much ? im not passively observe ?
3. that flashes (or weird small shapes) is that hypnagogic imagery ?

Thanks
Stan

[Xanth]

It's the difference between seeing...and SEEING.

It's all about Intent.

[Bluefirephoenix]

sounds like your pushing or forcing. It's a subtle thing  not brute force.

[vstachu]

hi
quick question
after noticing flashes of light etc you see images
how these images look  ?
are they look like real picture in your mind that just pop or are they look more like this
?
like they are emerge from the blackness ?

[Bluefirephoenix]

I get a lot of those kinds of images. Those are shadow, your seeing something there generated by your mind. And you got a ways to go yet. I can now consistently get there and occasionally a little past. Focus, practice, release expectations

[vstachu]

I get a lot of those kinds of images. Those are shadow, your seeing something there generated by your mind. And you got a ways to go yet. I can now consistently get there and occasionally a little past. Focus, practice, release expectations

Thanks Bluefirephoenix

[Szaxx]

What if they are crystal clear, as if you were looking at a scene for real?

[Bluefirephoenix]

Can still be shadow depending on how deep in you are. The deeper you go the closest you are to the One the more accurate your perception. I found it to be true and also Medical intuitive Edgar CAyce said this as well. If you look on his writing on psychic development he mentions it a few times.

[soarin12]

The deeper you go the closest you are to the One the more accurate your perception.

It would be interesting to compare how we all would describe the word 'deeper' in regard to our experiences.  One way I describe it is 'feeling' the love of the Source and communicating that love back and forth with other beings.  The other thing I've noticed is if I exit close to my body and end up in a RTZ environment, the entities (usually family) I meet there are not interesting to talk to.  They seem like thought forms.  I've gotten confirmation that they are sometimes real aspects of the person which is slightly interesting, but I usually try to not let anyone in this 'first' environment distract me.  I go right out into the void to find a another environment where the people are more interesting and intelligent.  Still, even then, I know thought forms can be fairly intelligent at times so I can't be sure if I'm talking to an actual spirit or not.  Anyway, these are two ways I'm defining 'deeper' at present.

I don't want to pollute the thread but maybe the OP would appreciate thoughts along these lines?

[Aaron330]

A few months back I was practicing this, and the small blobs of greyish-white that you see moving around slowly got brighter and more prominent. After about 30 minutes there was bright white light flashing across my vision like I was in a night club rave or something. It was really intense and after about 5-10 minutes of that, there was no more change happening, I could not mentally get an image to appear, so I gave up. Not sure if that's how it always is for those of you who phase, or if I was close to having any success?

[soarin12]

I could not mentally get an image to appear, so I gave up.

Keep in mind that you're not trying to get something to happen that doesn't already happen naturally.  The images are seen naturally on your way towards sleep (if you make an effort to stay 'aware' enough to see them)  Make sure you are working with your bodies natural rhythms.  Phase when your body wants to sleep -sometime during the night, early morning, or a normal nap time. Right before you go to sleep for the night is too hard for most people, but if you practice then, you may get an easier projection later in the night/morning.

[EscapeVelocity]

Superb question soarin12!

How do we each define 'deeper'?

I think of it as my level of awareness/lucidity + my depth/complexity of experience + or not, my understanding of the message coming through/if I even get the message!

It takes me/pushes me to go beyond, in order to understand it...

Another topic deserving a Sticky!

Nice, EV.

[Szaxx]

The 'depth' would be off topic but related in many ways.

[Bluefirephoenix]

I seem to be having the spontaneous dream covered projections early in the night. Usually after the first sleep cycle. And the periods of projections/phasing seem also to follow a weekly and monthly cyclical pattern.

[vstachu]

hi 
quickly what im doing and few questions

i sit in my chair and i start thinking about rubbish until i start see some random thoughts that are not "my" im half conscious then, i recognizes that state and i immediately focus my eyes and i see some random imagines in blackness like face or vines or spinning triangles

once i saw spinning triangles that start move closer and closer and when i look in the middle of them i start to see tunnel that look like this:

then i start laughing i almost fall from my chair i dont know why , yea i know passive observation

another day i saw vines that start move closer and closer

1. is these images must move ? and get bigger and bigger ? is that the rule ?
2. this tunnel is this my goal ? should all images transform in to this tunnel ? or tunnel is just another image and it shouldn't bother me that i dont see it any more 
3. what should i do next when i see these images ? 

Thanks
Stan

[Aaron330]

hi 
quickly what im doing and few questions

i sit in my chair and i start thinking about rubbish until i start see some random thoughts that are not "my" im half conscious then, i recognizes that state and i immediately focus my eyes and i see some random imagines in blackness like face or vines or spinning triangles

once i saw spinning triangles that start move closer and closer and when i look in the middle of them i start to see tunnel that look like this:

then i start laughing i almost fall from my chair i dont know why , yea i know passive observation

another day i saw vines that start move closer and closer

1. is these images must move ? and get bigger and bigger ? is that the rule ?
2. this tunnel is this my goal ? should all images transform in to this tunnel ? or tunnel is just another image and it shouldn't bother me that i dont see it any more 
3. what should i do next when i see these images ? 

Thanks
Stan

I have no advice for you, just wanted to say that I've seen (been through) that same tunnel the first two times I ever tried to project. It was an insane experience.

[Xanth]

I have no advice for you, just wanted to say that I've seen (been through) that same tunnel the first two times I ever tried to project. It was an insane experience.

I just wanted to make sure that you realize that while you say 'same tunnel', that it wasn't.
There's no such thing as experiencing the 'same tunnel'. 

Just saying... hehe

[Xanth]

I was reading the title of this thread too... and I wanted to make another point.

question to Xanth and others who are phasing

I wanted to point out that there really isn't any other way to experience the non-physical.  It's ALL phasing.
What we talk about here as "phasing" is stripping all of the beliefs of you being in a "body".  Once you remove that belief from yourself that you're INSIDE anything... phasing is all that is left to do.

The people who have "separation" sensations... are phasing, but there is a layer of belief being put overtop of the process.  You're phasing to the non-physical, but you're belief that you need to "get out of your body" is what causes the separation sensations to begin with.

There is really ONLY phasing... there is only your awareness shifting from "here" to "there".  Everything else is perspective and belief that is layered on top of your experience.

[Aaron330]

I was reading the title of this thread too... and I wanted to make another point.
I wanted to point out that there really isn't any other way to experience the non-physical.  It's ALL phasing.
What we talk about here as "phasing" is stripping all of the beliefs of you being in a "body".  Once you remove that belief from yourself that you're INSIDE anything... phasing is all that is left to do.

The people who have "separation" sensations... are phasing, but there is a layer of belief being put overtop of the process.  You're phasing to the non-physical, but you're belief that you need to "get out of your body" is what causes the separation sensations to begin with.

There is really ONLY phasing... there is only your awareness shifting from "here" to "there".  Everything else is perspective and belief that is layered on top of your experience.

I would cut out that method altogether if I could, I just don't see any other way right now. The only way that works for me is the "OBE" type process. When I try to phase any other way, I never have an image appear, I never feel any kind of process happening. It's just a quick way to fall asleep. I'm sure it will come with time and practice, but for now the only way I can get out is through the out of body method.

[Xanth]

I would cut out that method altogether if I could, I just don't see any other way right now. The only way that works for me is the "OBE" type process. When I try to phase any other way, I never have an image appear, I never feel any kind of process happening. It's just a quick way to fall asleep. I'm sure it will come with time and practice, but for now the only way I can get out is through the out of body method.

It's usually because you're fighting the process.
Projection is something you have to allow to happen.
You kind of have to get yourself out of the process... you remove yourself from the process and this reality.