Please, I hope somebody can help me.
My wife is an astral projector. She is constantly AP'd into other planes, both of Focus 2 and Focus 3 levels. Since she has been doing this she has become extremely sick, and doctors don't have any idea what is wrong with her. They have done every test imaginable to diagnose her but nothing.
I will be honest, I have always objected to her AP'ing. I am Christian, and I believe that other dimensions and realities are seperated from our own for good reason. However, I never used to interfere with her affairs until the other night when I got very disturbed by how she was acting.
I was speaking to her normally then she started hearing things that I was saying that I wasn't really saying. She began conversing with me, even though I wasn't talking. She couldn't seem to hear me telling her it isn't me speaking. Then she blacked out.
Her voice became a whisper, and deep. But it wasn't speaking to me. It was saying her name several times, breathing heavy then stopping. Then she would regain consciousness and think i said something bad to her when I did not. Then it would happen again.
My first thought, was Schitsophrenia. But that was until she went into another trance and told me "your lover will never be well again, she belongs to me" i became more concerned. I figured it was a spirit from another plane, so I spoke to it and asked it who it was and it said "Legion". I recognised that immediatelly as the spirit that Jesus Exorcised from Michael in the Bible. After it told me that I was terrified, and have been looking for help ever since. Nobody will help her, and she refuses to go to a psychiatrist. No church will do anything like Exorcisms because its not proven she isn't insane yet.
I only know about AP from what my wife tells me. So I knwo little. But you people are the experts. Can her AP'ing have allowed this demon through? Could this be the reason she is sick?? Can someone please help me?
I don't think you are going to like the answers you are going to get, at least from me. I just want to know before going forward with my thoughts, what kind of sickness? You did not elaborate. I'd like to know more about that first.
Thanks. :-)
Maybe your wife is pulling your leg
:NoY:
Is your wife a Christian?
You have to consider the reality that you all inhabit.
Assuming your wife is christian now or at least grew up in a society that is based on christianity (which she probably did if you're from US, Canada, Europe, etc. etc.) then she probably has a worldview built on the idea of good vs. evil. In this reality there are most definitely good entities like angels and the like and there are evil entities like demons and such. If you add to that a very suppressed shadow self (the unconscious parts of her mind that her ego wants to deny exists, full of our weaknesses, fears, etc.) then it's not too difficult to take that next step into demons, possessions and poltergeists. The bottom line is that as long as you and she believe that these things are not only possible but very very real then there isn't much that can be done about it. The only real thing she can do at this point would be to call upon a helper. The most common helper in this kind of worldview would be Archangel Michael. She could call upon Michael to 'vanquish' the presence within her or any other helper that she feels connected to.
I'm basically saying that this is all made up in her mind due to years of psychological conditioning (which we are all subject to in one way or another, but for some people who are especially good at repressing their feelings this can be a very intense experience) and the only way to "combat" it is either to deprogram some of her beliefs (which would most likely involve giving up religion in the common sense) or use her beliefs to resolve the problem (by calling upon the 'good guys').
Quote from: Save Your Servant on September 16, 2010, 00:21:56
Please, I hope somebody can help me.
My wife is an astral projector. She is constantly AP'd into other planes, both of Focus 2 and Focus 3 levels. Since she has been doing this she has become extremely sick, and doctors don't have any idea what is wrong with her. They have done every test imaginable to diagnose her but nothing.
I will be honest, I have always objected to her AP'ing. I am Christian, and I believe that other dimensions and realities are seperated from our own for good reason. However, I never used to interfere with her affairs until the other night when I got very disturbed by how she was acting.
I was speaking to her normally then she started hearing things that I was saying that I wasn't really saying. She began conversing with me, even though I wasn't talking. She couldn't seem to hear me telling her it isn't me speaking. Then she blacked out.
Her voice became a whisper, and deep. But it wasn't speaking to me. It was saying her name several times, breathing heavy then stopping. Then she would regain consciousness and think i said something bad to her when I did not. Then it would happen again.
My first thought, was Schitsophrenia. But that was until she went into another trance and told me "your lover will never be well again, she belongs to me" i became more concerned. I figured it was a spirit from another plane, so I spoke to it and asked it who it was and it said "Legion". I recognised that immediatelly as the spirit that Jesus Exorcised from Michael in the Bible. After it told me that I was terrified, and have been looking for help ever since. Nobody will help her, and she refuses to go to a psychiatrist. No church will do anything like Exorcisms because its not proven she isn't insane yet.
I only know about AP from what my wife tells me. So I knwo little. But you people are the experts. Can her AP'ing have allowed this demon through? Could this be the reason she is sick?? Can someone please help me?
Does your wife take any medication? Has she got any health issues? Has she, or any member of her family ever experienced anything like this before? How is your wife behaving on her day-to-day life now? Is she "normal"? Or is there some constant change on her behavior?
If all of this is not caused by some physical issue, then please read on.
Allright, this goes a bit beyond what we usually discuss here on the forums, so I won't try to make a lot of sense, I'll just speak from my personal beliefs, despite this forum's usually more "methodic" approach.
When you work with your spiritual body, energies and all that fancy stuff your wife probably talked/talks to you about, you make yourself much more open to external sources of energy (read natural energies, unrelated to any living entity, and entities themselves). That is because the person who does that kind of work "shines" and works as some sort of beacon to lower entities attached to the physical. Their energy centers are more active than other people's and that opens up their bodies to external influences.
That being said, imagine you're one of those lower entities attached to the physical (trapped would be a more precise word). You need some source of energy to keep yourself running, so a way to keep active would be to suck energy from physical beings. Usually, these lower entities are also full of hate and despise for other lifeforms (this relates to, for instance, people that find it pleasing to watch movies such as Jigsaw and other cruelty-filled ones. That's how these entities' influences work and that's why they have the attitude you've seen towards your wife). They make a living out of taking the living from others. That makes them satisfied and keeps them attached to that person.
The more effective way to get rid of that is to call out for help. Not from churches, necessarily. You can ask for assistance from helping entities; positive, ethical ones. Like someone else said and you yourself referred to, calling out for Archangel Michael is of great help, for he is one of the strongest protecting entities there are. You can also call out for entities that work with the purple light/energy. That is, mainly, Saint Germain. Call out for these two, ask them for help. If you feel more confortable, ask your guardian angel to bring these entities to help your wife.
You should do that in the form of sessions. Purple is the energy of purifucation, cleansing. It takes away all negative energies. When you begin your session, ask saint germain for help and imagine your wife immersed in purple light, as if she were inside a purple bonfire. See that as a cleaning session, one that takes away all bad energies and entities. Try to be confortable with the idea of those helping entities being around to help your wife (I don't know how that fits your beliefs, but that's what's going on).
When you feel it's enough, thank the entites for the assistance and now ask for archangel michael to protect your wife by surrounding her in blue light. Blue is the energy of protection, it creates a barrier to negative energies. (purple/st germain cleans; blue/arch michael protects). Again, when you feel you've had enough, thank the entities for the help. Now the session is done.
You should be aware that the two of you are receiving that assistance, not only your wife. That helps both of you.
I hope this gives you some directions to the right path to getting your wife healed. Please keep us informed.
Quote from: Naykid on September 16, 2010, 07:37:47
I don't think you are going to like the answers you are going to get, at least from me. I just want to know before going forward with my thoughts, what kind of sickness? You did not elaborate. I'd like to know more about that first.
Thanks. :-)
Her sickness consists of constant fainting, all her joints locking and hurting, and stomach, head and back pains. She also has her mucles spasm, and she cannot control them. Doctors have tried everything to help her and have had no luck diagnosing her with anything.
Quote from: personalreality on September 16, 2010, 13:28:56
You have to consider the reality that you all inhabit.
Assuming your wife is christian now or at least grew up in a society that is based on christianity (which she probably did if you're from US, Canada, Europe, etc. etc.) then she probably has a worldview built on the idea of good vs. evil. In this reality there are most definitely good entities like angels and the like and there are evil entities like demons and such. If you add to that a very suppressed shadow self (the unconscious parts of her mind that her ego wants to deny exists, full of our weaknesses, fears, etc.) then it's not too difficult to take that next step into demons, possessions and poltergeists. The bottom line is that as long as you and she believe that these things are not only possible but very very real then there isn't much that can be done about it. The only real thing she can do at this point would be to call upon a helper. The most common helper in this kind of worldview would be Archangel Michael. She could call upon Michael to 'vanquish' the presence within her or any other helper that she feels connected to.
I'm basically saying that this is all made up in her mind due to years of psychological conditioning (which we are all subject to in one way or another, but for some people who are especially good at repressing their feelings this can be a very intense experience) and the only way to "combat" it is either to deprogram some of her beliefs (which would most likely involve giving up religion in the common sense) or use her beliefs to resolve the problem (by calling upon the 'good guys').
She is Christian, very Christian. She once was a Sunday school teacher. She had to stop work when she got sick, and now she is on a disability benefit. I have suggested she asks God or the Archangel for help. I just hope that it helps her.
Quote from: horaciocs on September 16, 2010, 19:55:13
Does your wife take any medication? Has she got any health issues? Has she, or any member of her family ever experienced anything like this before? How is your wife behaving on her day-to-day life now? Is she "normal"? Or is there some constant change on her behavior?
If all of this is not caused by some physical issue, then please read on.
Allright, this goes a bit beyond what we usually discuss here on the forums, so I won't try to make a lot of sense, I'll just speak from my personal beliefs, despite this forum's usually more "methodic" approach.
When you work with your spiritual body, energies and all that fancy stuff your wife probably talked/talks to you about, you make yourself much more open to external sources of energy (read natural energies, unrelated to any living entity, and entities themselves). That is because the person who does that kind of work "shines" and works as some sort of beacon to lower entities attached to the physical. Their energy centers are more active than other people's and that opens up their bodies to external influences.
That being said, imagine you're one of those lower entities attached to the physical (trapped would be a more precise word). You need some source of energy to keep yourself running, so a way to keep active would be to suck energy from physical beings. Usually, these lower entities are also full of hate and despise for other lifeforms (this relates to, for instance, people that find it pleasing to watch movies such as Jigsaw and other cruelty-filled ones. That's how these entities' influences work and that's why they have the attitude you've seen towards your wife). They make a living out of taking the living from others. That makes them satisfied and keeps them attached to that person.
The more effective way to get rid of that is to call out for help. Not from churches, necessarily. You can ask for assistance from helping entities; positive, ethical ones. Like someone else said and you yourself referred to, calling out for Archangel Michael is of great help, for he is one of the strongest protecting entities there are. You can also call out for entities that work with the purple light/energy. That is, mainly, Saint Germain. Call out for these two, ask them for help. If you feel more confortable, ask your guardian angel to bring these entities to help your wife.
You should do that in the form of sessions. Purple is the energy of purifucation, cleansing. It takes away all negative energies. When you begin your session, ask saint germain for help and imagine your wife immersed in purple light, as if she were inside a purple bonfire. See that as a cleaning session, one that takes away all bad energies and entities. Try to be confortable with the idea of those helping entities being around to help your wife (I don't know how that fits your beliefs, but that's what's going on).
When you feel it's enough, thank the entites for the assistance and now ask for archangel michael to protect your wife by surrounding her in blue light. Blue is the energy of protection, it creates a barrier to negative energies. (purple/st germain cleans; blue/arch michael protects). Again, when you feel you've had enough, thank the entities for the help. Now the session is done.
You should be aware that the two of you are receiving that assistance, not only your wife. That helps both of you.
I hope this gives you some directions to the right path to getting your wife healed. Please keep us informed.
I think I understand what you are saying. I will suggest her to call for help using your advice. But I fear that maybe she doesn't want help, because she doesn't want to believe that anything is wrong, even though she most likely knows it is. Could this energy that is tormenting her be Legion? Or just a hateful spirit? Can just bring positive energy around get rid of it permanently? I fear she will be hurt, or worse. She will not give up AP no matter how much I tell her to.
I believe that if you ask for the helping entities to help, they'll look after her and do something. It doesn't matter what kind of entities may be tormenting her, the thing is that I believe there are entities tormenting her. And asking for help as I told you could help her.
You can tell her that it won't do her no harm. It's going to be you calling up for help the the helpers doing their job. Tell her it won't interfere with anything she is experiencing. At least not for worse.
QuoteHer sickness consists of constant fainting, all her joints locking and hurting, and stomach, head and back pains. She also has her mucles spasm, and she cannot control them. Doctors have tried everything to help her and have had no luck diagnosing her with anything.
This sounds like lead paint poisoning to me. Also, she might be sensitive to high electrical energy around your living space.
It sounds familiar to me too..
Save Your Servant,
You may find something that helps in these links---
http://omtalks.yuku.com/topic/612/t/Breakdown-or-Breakthrough-by-El-Collie.html (http://omtalks.yuku.com/topic/612/t/Breakdown-or-Breakthrough-by-El-Collie.html)
http://omtalks.yuku.com/topic/717/t/The-7-Symptoms-of-Kundalini-Awakening.html (http://omtalks.yuku.com/topic/717/t/The-7-Symptoms-of-Kundalini-Awakening.html)
http://omtalks.yuku.com/topic/585/t/10-Things-You-Can-do-to-Help-Your-Kundalini-Process.html (http://omtalks.yuku.com/topic/585/t/10-Things-You-Can-do-to-Help-Your-Kundalini-Process.html)
You might also like to search the term 'transpersonal counseling'- it sounds like it would be a perfect option for your wife. Here's a link to get you started: http://www.naropa.edu/academics/graduate/psychology/tcp/matp/index.cfm (http://www.naropa.edu/academics/graduate/psychology/tcp/matp/index.cfm).
the best to you,
Casey
Casey... once again I find myself trying to find words that will not offend you.
I can't.... DAMN girl!! What is up with that list, that list that is on every single link you gave...? I'm starting to have even more doubts about the Kundalini thing. I have to admit, I am impressed with the amount of knowledge you appear to have, but why so heavy handed with it? ...
I am not easily offended, Nay, I hope you will always feel to speak freely..
The links I offered were to the OP, if he doesn't see anything familiar in there he'll discard them and no harm done. I know firsthand how challenging all of this is, I would have been lost had people not offered their help. This is all I am doing right now. This is all I am ever doing, and what I will continue doing- (just like you and the others, we all have our unique experiences to give from). I do not know what list you mean. Do you mean the list of links??
I know you mean well, and it was intended for the OP... it's just that there is so much to it. You gave a symptom list long enough to describe any dysfunction. It is starting to feel regurgitated. Is there anything else to you but the Kundalini? Can you relate without using that as a filter first? It's almost like you are losing yourself to the Kundalini, if that makes sense...it seems to be the end all, be all of your existence and it's freaking me out. :-P
I see, and I understand, yes I tend to be a highly focused person..
Kundalini is the word I am familiar with, for this reason it is the word I often start with, if the OP needs me to use another I will endeavor to do so in order to help it be more understandable. In a very broad, general sense Kundalini is Universal Energy, the energy of the Universe itself. It is as real to me as my own personal energy (/prana). When it began colliding with me, consciousness, mind and body, I began exhibiting a whole host of new phenomena, abilities and symptoms. Some of which have been quite painful, shocking and paradigm shattering. Focusing in on what is happening and aligning with this event so that I ride it through with as little pain as possible is my life now (in fact, in a sense, my life depends upon it). It is also what I am here to help others out with. So, yes, when inwardly inspired, out it all comes. The ones who it is for will know.. And the ones who it is not for will know.. It all works very well.
Quote from: omcasey on September 18, 2010, 19:34:23
I see, and I understand, yes I tend to be a highly focused person..
Kundalini is the word I am familiar with, for this reason it is the word I often start with, if the OP needs me to use another I will endeavor to do so in order to help it be more understandable. In a very broad, general sense Kundalini is Universal Energy, the energy of the Universe itself. It is as real to me as my own personal energy (/prana). When it began colliding with me, consciousness, mind and body, I began exhibiting a whole host of new phenomena, abilities and symptoms. Some of which have been quite painful, shocking and paradigm shattering. Focusing in on what is happening and aligning with this event so that I ride it through with as little pain as possible is my life now (in fact, in a sense, my life depends upon it). It is also what I am here to help others out with. So, yes, when inwardly inspired, out it all comes. The ones who it is for will know.. And the ones who it is not for will know.. It all works very well.
:-) So yes, Kundalini is pretty much the sun that you revolve around. This is the part that scares me.. the whole saturation of your being. Maybe this is why you are feeling like you have one foot in and one foot out..?
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So yes, Kundalini is pretty much the sun that you revolve around. This is the part that scares me.. the whole saturation of your being. Maybe this is why you are feeling like you have one foot in and one foot out..?
In very simple terms, the 'Ocean' itself is interpenetrating my 'wave' consciousness, in a way that I am aware of and consciously feeling in my body- reality, ie: the experience I am having is changing in accordance. I like the analogy of third dimensional existence being a gestation period, and the Earth a womb. When the Ocean (or Kundalini) begins impacting the wave (individual people), the equivalent of contractions set in and a sort of birthing process begins. This leads to an exiting of the womb - planetary consciousness - and entering into Galactic consciousness.
Oh!
and yes, it is my feeling this is happening with us all..
Quote from: omcasey on September 18, 2010, 20:31:31
In very simple terms, the 'Ocean' itself is interpenetrating my 'wave' consciousness, in a way that I am aware of and consciously feeling in my body- reality, ie: the experience I am having is changing in accordance. I like the analogy of third dimensional existence being a gestation period, and the Earth a womb. When the Ocean (or Kundalini) begins impacting the wave (individual people), the equivalent of contractions set in and a sort of birthing process begins. This leads to an exiting of the womb - planetary consciousness - and entering into Galactic consciousness.
What does that mean? It sounds like you have taken three hits of ecstasy... I really can't follow you. So, when a big wave hits me, thus I'm born???
That's okay, Nay.
Although it is nice when what comes through actually does help someone, I respect either eventuality.
Thank you for speaking with me, I have enjoyed the opportunity.
Casey
:-D You didn't tell me what that meant. lol
Come on Casey, what the hell?.... What did you mean in your last post? I know you said simple terms, but it does not come together in my mind.
Thank you for the invitation to continue, Nay, for now it feels right to pause here..
Quote from: omcasey on September 18, 2010, 21:55:39
Thank you for the invitation to continue, Nay, for now it feels right to pause here..
Casey, you haven't answered anything. I'm sorry you are feeling a pause, but you did say earlier, "I am not easily offended, Nay, I hope you will always feel to speak freely.." And I am speaking freely and please know I mean nothing personally, I'm genuinely curious as to why you say what you say. I need you to break down the lists that you gave earlier in your post(s). You keep posting all this stuff, yet you don't break it down. I need it broke down, period. If you want me to get this kundalini thing, then you need to tell me what you mean, without metaphors though.
Ok, so... this guy needed some advice, right?
right.
i guess this means that nay and casey felt that we sufficiently answered him :lol: :lol: :lol:
Servant, let us know if you'd like more suggestions or opinions.
Save Your Servant: Your wife should AP and then ask for her Guide and ask her Guide what to do about her illness.
Quote from: Save Your Servant on September 17, 2010, 22:01:34
Her sickness consists of constant fainting, all her joints locking and hurting, and stomach, head and back pains. She also has her mucles spasm, and she cannot control them. Doctors have tried everything to help her and have had no luck diagnosing her with anything.
She is Christian, very Christian. She once was a Sunday school teacher. She had to stop work when she got sick, and now she is on a disability benefit. I have suggested she asks God or the Archangel for help. I just hope that it helps her.
I think I understand what you are saying. I will suggest her to call for help using your advice. But I fear that maybe she doesn't want help, because she doesn't want to believe that anything is wrong, even though she most likely knows it is. Could this energy that is tormenting her be Legion? Or just a hateful spirit? Can just bring positive energy around get rid of it permanently? I fear she will be hurt, or worse. She will not give up AP no matter how much I tell her to.
SYS,
Conventional doctors are not equipped to diagnose Spiritual emergence/y. Often, as the main thing they do, they end up prescribing medication, which in most cases serves to make the situation worse. It is fortunate indeed if this has not happened. If you search the web you will find there are many thousands of us waking up to a wider reality, and that in many of our cases it is not the consciousness alone that is involved in this process but the physical body as well. When the body is involved, the awakening is often referred to as a Kundalini awakening. The body, composed of (highly) conscious wave particles, itself undergoes a process of transformation by which it is increasing able to receive and radiate more light.
If you think in terms of a lightbulb, prior to the onset of this process, your wife, similar to the majority of us was capable of receiving and radiating the equivalent of 100 watts -(just an analogy). What is happening now, is that a whole lot more than this is endeavoring to come through. This is not a bad thing, it is what we have come here for- in your language (perhaps), to realize God, to let His love/light flow through us into all that is. However, the body which is accustomed to receiving and radiating only 100 watts, necessarily must ungergo a transmutation whereby it is capable of receiving and radiating the higher wattage. In my view, this is what you are witnessing right now.
Your wife, as she knows is not sick, she is acclimating to the new inflow as fast and well as she is able. But just like the 100 watt bulb, when subjected to 250 watts, exhibits the initial signs of stress, so too is she. This is why she must be let to continue, and where your support is much needed, as not continuing is not an option as I suspect she knows. There is nothing in this process to fear, but through it a person WILL come across all
their fears, and transmute them. This too is a part of the process and I've absolute, full confidence in your wife's ability to do this. I feel it is very good you are reaching to others who are undergoing this same thing. You will find the varying ways in which it gets filtered and a veritable kaleidoscope of ideas and experiences from which you will receive what you do. Always it will be what you need.
For now a couple more links--
The involuntary spasms you mention are sometimes referred to as kundalini kriyas,
with my friend, Karen, they are quite intense, this is the gist of hers
http://www.youtube.com/omcasey1#p/c/E4A86CE68C7A3EF4/16/zCQFSwkvwUc (http://www.youtube.com/omcasey1#p/c/E4A86CE68C7A3EF4/16/zCQFSwkvwUc)
Bits of my own journey, self discovering the relationship between kundalini and astral travel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yf2YxvXyeCY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yf2YxvXyeCY)
I know I am very late with this reply. But things have gotten very bad. My wife, shortly after I asked for help from a doctors, priests and spiritualists, recovered a little. The spirit that called itself Legion seemed to have left. At least for a very long time. About 2 weeks ago however, things got extremely bad and even right now my wife is extremely sick. She has fainted over 20 times in the past week, twitching, and claiming to be someone else. I got particularly worried last night, when she was twitching a lot screaming things such as "please stop, it hurts! make it stop". She was practically begging me to AP to where she is to help her. But I didn't know how. In between her pleads she was making sounds that I immediately thought were "orgasmic". When she regained consciousness, I asked her what happened and she said she didn't know. But she said she was in agony and even after waking up today, was still sore. It was early this morning when she blacked out again and reminicent of last time, spoke to me as someone else. I asked who it was, and it said it's name was Al - haz - ad. (i do not want to type its name properly). I asked it what happened and it said it raped my wife. It also threatened me. I am very afraid, and again, I have asked my wife to leave AP behind her but she insists on going back there. When I asked her who this spirit was she claimed it asked her to go to it. And she refuses to stop going there. Her sickenss has gotten very bad and now I have started getting extremely sick too. Please someone help me. This is so far out of my understanding. What should I do?
First off, calm down. These seem like very stressing, mind wracking occurrences, and you must be going through a lot. Try to clear your mind first; you cannot truly help your wife if you worry about her so much. You have to be in a state of clarity to feel and understand what your wife is going through. Do not be afraid, focus on your love for her, not your worry.
As there are countless ways to answer your pleas for help, and not many I feel you would be comfortable taking, I'd like to ask you some questions.
Why does your wife refuse help? With both her becoming sick, and you becoming sick, why does she deny that something is wrong?
What kind of "spiritual" help did you seek?
Would you be willing to learn how to sense and use spiritual energy? About what you said earlier; the various planes of what is, are not separated. They are intertwined. We are not apart from them in any way.
How do you ask for help from whichever entities/guardians you prefer? How do you pray for help?
Also, how are you getting sick? Please explain more whenever you use this word, as it can clear up a lot of questions.
QuoteWhy does your wife refuse help? With both her becoming sick, and you becoming sick, why does she deny that something is wrong?
This is something that I do not understand. I have asked her countless times, and she always replies with simply "I'm not giving up AP for anyone. I have a life there too". I once suggested maybe it's AP that is making her sick and she accused me of just saying it because I didn't want her to do it anymore.
QuoteWhat kind of "spiritual" help did you seek?
After doctors failed to help her, I first went to a priest. Scarily, he was not extremely helpful. I asked what I should do after explaining everything to him. His advice was simply to stay away from her until she helps herself, saying that "if she loves you, she will stop going to these spirit worlds and heal herself". This made me very sad, I expected more. So I went to a white witch who believed my wife to be suffering from multiple personality disorder, not a spirtual problem at all. However, my wife refuses mental help and got hurt when I mentioned it once. She basically thought I was calling her mad. She even stopped talking to me for a few days under the belief that I insulted her, when I did not. I just wanted to help her.
QuoteWould you be willing to learn how to sense and use spiritual energy? About what you said earlier; the various planes of what is, are not separated. They are intertwined. We are not apart from them in any way.
Yes... I would do absolutely anything to help my wife. I love her more than anything, and will do whatever it takes to get these horrible entites away from her forever. But I do not know where to begin.
QuoteHow do you ask for help from whichever entities/guardians you prefer? How do you pray for help?
I have prayed for help in many different ways. I have prayed on knees, sitting down, standing up, all with hands together. I have even had a priest pray for her with me, several times, and had her name placed in the service with the other prayers. Other times I have tried praying cross legged and hands together. I have prayed to God, Michael, Germaine and countless others.
QuoteAlso, how are you getting sick?
Recently whenever my wife gets sick I get sick also, having almost exactly the same symptoms which include fainting, stomach back and head pains, throwing up and also extremely bad luck such as injuring myself the same times she does. I have been unable to move for two days due to all my joints locking and this only happens during an episode. When she is AP'ing and the sickest I got was when this "thing" said it raped her. I have been suffering extreme dizzyness and hot and cold ffluhes also.
I pray someone can help us. At least help my wife... she is more important to me than anything.
Does your wife even want help?
I hope this doesn't sound offensive, but if she doesn't believe what you're telling her about what happens to her during her episodes and doesn't admit to herself that there is a problem, maybe you could video record her during one of her episodes and then show it to her afterwards. Realizing that the problem exists has to be the first step in fixing it. Also, may I suggest that you not try to persuade her to stop APing. It seems to drive a wedge between you because she's determined not to and if you're going to help her you need to be on the same team together in this and as close as you can be. Plus, I think the root of the problem is something in her subconscious and her spiritual openness and belief system have facilitated it. I don't think her stopping astral projecting would necessarily solve the problem.
Ok. Well, from what it sounds like, your relationship with your wife sounds somewhat fractured. This is not meant to be offensive at all, it is only what I am taking from what you tell me. It sounds like there is a large gap between you, with little communication that can get through.
If your lover and companion will not listen to what you tell them, and at least try to understand where you are coming from, there is a problem with trust.
Do not try to convince your wife to stop her projections. It is a spiritual practice, that is important to her, and asking her to stop projecting would be like asking you to stop believing in god. It is not the projections that harm her, rather, negative energies, and her seemingly odd attraction to them.
You mentioned that the current "Possessing spirit" called to her, and she simply went. There is a problem in this, how did it call her? Did she simply go to it, willingly, with no caution, accept it into herself? Is she being responsible with her projections?
What is she doing along the other planes? Is she simply exploring, or is there something she is seeking, something she is practicing?
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Yes, many priests are not very helpful in matters such as these. You will find very few who understand spiritual practices such as projecting, and even fewer who know how to help those who use them. It sounds like you put a lot of faith in the priest, I am sorry he could not help you more.
His advice seems ill-advised. Do not separate or distance yourself from your wife when she needs your help.
During your prayer, is your mind clear? Do you separate yourself from your identity and try to connect with the divine (In your case, God)? Or do you retain your self, and send the prayer from your own identity? What has the response been? The feelings while you pray?
I will attempt to help you better understand spiritual energies and how to work with them, to help your wife, but I would prefer to do it over private messages rather than on the open forums. If this is what you want, then please send me a message.
Well,there is Tom Campbell with his large experience in this stuff,maybe you can contact him on his-My big toe forum,for advice,just a thought.
QuoteYou mentioned that the current "Possessing spirit" called to her, and she simply went. There is a problem in this, how did it call her? Did she simply go to it, willingly, with no caution, accept it into herself? Is she being responsible with her projections?
This might sound crazy, but this spirit began to "post" on her website, calling her by a different name saying "come here, I need you". It did this while I was there in the chatroom and my wife said "okay i'll be there". I don't even know how it is possible for a spirit from another plane to post on a website, or why it would even bother, but this has happened with a lot of the spirits my wife says she meets. She says they AP into people here to talk to her. She claims to trust or even sometimes "love" these spirits. She cares for them, sometimes, I feel she does so even more than she cares for me.
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What is she doing along the other planes? Is she simply exploring, or is there something she is seeking, something she is practicing?
This is something that has bothered me for a very long time. She tells me she goes to explore, and that is the only reason. But she has countless times told me she has met spirits she "loves" and goes to them simply for this reason. She has even, during certain events, claimed that she wants to "be" with some of the hateful spirits that have hurt both myself and her. But she then changes back and claims it isn't true. It is so confusing. Especially as I am NOT an astral projector.
QuoteDo you separate yourself from your identity and try to connect with the divine (In your case, God)? Or do you retain your self, and send the prayer from your own identity? What has the response been? The feelings while you pray?
When I ask the Elohim for guidance, I do it as myself. I have even pleaded with them when previous prayers have had no responce. In most cases, praying has NOT helped. The feelings I feel are a mixture of fear, love for my wife, and stress. Though I have tried so hard to feel less scared, I find it extremely difficult. She has been talking to this spirit I mentioned 2 posts ago since the event.
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I will attempt to help you better understand spiritual energies and how to work with them, to help your wife, but I would prefer to do it over private messages rather than on the open forums. If this is what you want, then please send me a message.
Thank you so much, I will PM you.
QuoteWell,there is Tom Campbell with his large experience in this stuff,maybe you can contact him on his-My big toe forum,for advice,just a thought.
Can you PM me a link please? Thank you.
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Please, I hope somebody can help me.
My wife is an astral projector. She is constantly AP'd into other planes, both of Focus 2 and Focus 3 levels. Since she has been doing this she has become extremely sick, and doctors don't have any idea what is wrong with her. They have done every test imaginable to diagnose her but nothing.
I will be honest, I have always objected to her AP'ing. I am Christian, and I believe that other dimensions and realities are seperated from our own for good reason. However, I never used to interfere with her affairs until the other night when I got very disturbed by how she was acting.
I was speaking to her normally then she started hearing things that I was saying that I wasn't really saying. She began conversing with me, even though I wasn't talking. She couldn't seem to hear me telling her it isn't me speaking. Then she blacked out.
Her voice became a whisper, and deep. But it wasn't speaking to me. It was saying her name several times, breathing heavy then stopping. Then she would regain consciousness and think i said something bad to her when I did not. Then it would happen again.
My first thought, was Schitsophrenia. But that was until she went into another trance and told me "your lover will never be well again, she belongs to me" i became more concerned. I figured it was a spirit from another plane, so I spoke to it and asked it who it was and it said "Legion". I recognised that immediatelly as the spirit that Jesus Exorcised from Michael in the Bible. After it told me that I was terrified, and have been looking for help ever since. Nobody will help her, and she refuses to go to a psychiatrist. No church will do anything like Exorcisms because its not proven she isn't insane yet.
I only know about AP from what my wife tells me. So I knwo little. But you people are the experts. Can her AP'ing have allowed this demon through? Could this be the reason she is sick?? Can someone please help me?
Okay. It sounds to me like there is a lot of confusion going on here.
First and most importantly of all : A negative entity/spirit/demon/whatever you want to call it cannot "possess" or "torment" or do anything to a person. Why you ask? Because we are attached by a silver chord that cannot be severed. An entity cannot harm, an entity cannot steal. And what I'm talking about are entities with lower vibrations. Even visiting the lower planes is no big deal because the entities there will only try to scare you, and that's only if they want to..Usually they know if you are prone to scare tactics, and the only reason people get scared is because they see unfamiliar faces,objects,colors,etc.. kind of like in horror movies that try to scare you with weird visuals.
Secondly, the entities/demons/whatever that are of lower vibrations only stay within the lower vibration planes. They cannot access planes with higher vibrations. That being said, earth is a higher vibrational plane. So negative entities cannot come and "haunt" us if you will. This is the system that has been set by the divine.
Now, onto the confusion with your wife. She is hearing things in her head you say. My thoughts on this are that if she has been projecting for a while, she could be experiencing some cosmic "static". Like when you are tuning a radio and you hear the static in between stations. Her astral body is probably hearing things in the astral plane because she did not fully tune back into her physical self. This comes from not grounding and centering.
for more information on that go to this link : http://www.articlesbase.com/self-improvement-articles/tips-for-healers-grounding-amp-centering-2046997.html (http://www.articlesbase.com/self-improvement-articles/tips-for-healers-grounding-amp-centering-2046997.html)
It is VERY important to ground and center when you are working with energy in any form. I learned this the hard way unfortunately.
The only other possibility I can think of is something that is physically happening inside of her brain. A chemical imbalance can cause audio hallucinations. I'm not saying she has a mental disorder, just that sometimes a surge of chemicals/hormones can play tricks on the mind. If this instance happens again, I would take her to a healthcare professional just in case.
If it does turn out like someone in this thread mentioned before that she is playing with you, I would inform her that it is not nice of her to do that to you and that it's causing you to really worry about her.
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This might sound crazy, but this spirit began to "post" on her website, calling her by a different name saying "come here, I need you". It did this while I was there in the chatroom and my wife said "okay i'll be there". I don't even know how it is possible for a spirit from another plane to post on a website, or why it would even bother, but this has happened with a lot of the spirits my wife says she meets. She says they AP into people here to talk to her. She claims to trust or even sometimes "love" these spirits. She cares for them, sometimes, I feel she does so even more than she cares for me.
Not possible. You will not be able to contact / be contacted personally by entities from the astral planes in such a way. Spirit guides/God/higher self can give you "signs" (such a cliche, but thats how they do it). For example, if you are under financial stress and you call upon your guides for direction on how to get more money, they will only give you signs indirectly. Not a personal message in your inbox saying "hey this is your spirit guide". No, it doesn't work that way. You can only converse with them telepathically and in astral form. They can also hear you if you talk to them out loud (e.g. prayer). And that only applies to, once again, entities/spirits with very high vibrations. Entities can project to earth just as we can project outside of it; but when you project, earth as you see it now does not look the same when you are in astral form. So they cannot come to earth, find a computer, and start typing. They can only see the energies of objects, and manipulate them even. They cannot use objects the way we do because they do not have a physical body. In the case of the website, It sounds like again she is up to something intentionally or that you could have misinterpreted a conversation between her and another person. By the way, out of curiosity, what is her website?
Hope this helped.
-LotusPaper