does it become better in the physical? like if you dont know how to play piano can you learn in the astral and become really good at it? If it does than tell me an example of something that you did
To answer your question yes doing something in the astral can improve your skills in the physical. I have never tried to do anything in the astral and do it in the physical. When ever I astral project I am usually flying or going through walls. Me trying that in the physical although spectators would find it funny I on the other hand would find it quite painful haha! :-D
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Yes, I think so because you will develop muscle memory doing things in the astral. I have read about people practicing martial arts in the astral.
Also, anything you have observed in the physical can be reaccessed and learned even if you have forgotten it as I've been told. Like if you watch a youtube video on playing guitar you should be able to manifest a guitar teacher to teach you the technique being taught in the video. The teacher will usually be the person from the video but I think it can have the appearance anybody you want really.
Quote from: Darklon on February 25, 2012, 22:01:45
Yes, I think so because you will develop muscle memory doing things in the astral. I have read about people practicing martial arts in the astral.
That's what I did.
I train in Yoshinkan Aikido, and I took a period of four years off cause my knees were getting pretty banged up.
In that time, I had numerous dreams of practicing my art. At the very least once a month...
When I did eventually get back into physically training, I found it took only a class or two to get back into the rhythm of it. :)
When I was learning Togakure rye Ninjutsu (between the ages of 12 and 24) I didn't fully appreciate the peculiar meditative side of it. One would learn a certain set of hand signs called the 9 signs, the Kuji-in. This was as I thought meant to be practiced as one meditated, but looking through old brochures and books I collected it was to I now see that this was an exercise meant to be performed after one 'phased'... while non-physical. Then one would train and fight during the meditation usually coordinated by will and execution towards a favourable end... i.e. winning.
I find it a shame that I didn't realise that the meditation was potentially something that was connected to OOBEs when I was training. I kept them separate.
I have in the last 10 years used the nonphysical to learn or rather create situations or run work related experiments. This is done by creating the situation... not by building it object by object but by intent. It can be abstractly created or methodically created. It's very hard to describe the process because it is essentially THE most subjective thing to describe... but I'll try because of the results it has on objective physical reality.
For instance, I was to make a giant sculpture within a tight deadline that was approximately 16 feet high.
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_nhUgCALgx-I/TTH5AXe9HfI/AAAAAAAAAJ4/n9OdEP2iWnM/s1600/AfterArcimboldo.JPG
I already knew what it would look like, because I had previously sculpted a small scale ornament sized version. I had tried on several nights to do this but failed. Usually getting drawn into a narrative. The trick was to intently 'see' it while physical. Visualisation is the key... seeing it from all angles. When the object/scenario makes itself seen while Out of Body it doesn't tend to appear like a special effect. It seems to present itself as it should be... Again this is my method and it works for me:
12/02/10
Separated via climb out method after several failed attempts at my usual. Blackness ensued so I attempted anchoring with the hand method.
I was in a large barn... not sure where but it had the qualia of the workshop. It occurred to me at that point that I had dreamed in this barn before that involved work related issues. I spent a moment searching for the sculpture. Workshop A/B was the most obvious place to find it.
It was across a large lawn. Not as it should be. Again I recalled several dreams involving this lawn. I remembered upon that that Wkshop A/B was a market in DLR. I peered into the large glass[wooden] doors and sure enough it was filled with market tents and stalls.
I was momentarily drawn into a narrative involving a man at a chestnut roasting stand. I realised I was slipping and phased back to SP.
I hand anchored and re-focused to the workshop. This time it was more complete as the workshop in the physical. I was relieved to find the sculpture in all its glory standing in the main workshop. I wondered how we would get it out considering the doors are smaller than the object. That was simple. I looked behind the cowl wrapped around its neck and noticed it was split into sections. Interesting.
I pulled apart the cowl and noticed that there was a hatch that gave access to the inside. I looked inside and found that it was like a jigsaw puzzle made from sections with inverted flanges. LIKE A REVERSE MOULD!!
There was no steelwork. All fibreglass. Plastic leaves. Moss was flocking. Giant flocking doesn't exist.
Becky climbed into the top of the head via another hatch. She was concerned that there was no work for her to do. I said not to worry and that we need her to weld up some sort of frame for the base. We then climbed outside the model together and became concerned that Leigh would be mad that he wasn't informed of the manufacturing process. I realised a narrative was forming and phased back to physical.
The object was built after this by back-engineering the sculpture I had intended whilst in the non-physical. There was no effort on my part to actually imagine it or visualise it. It was just there... in all its finished glory. A solid object that relied fully upon the laws of physics.
Part of the problem of this method and while having OOBEs is that one can get wrapped up in some sort of subconscious narrative very easily; learning to recognise this taking effect is the key I think.
I have a lot to say on the topic, because I myself did some experiments.
Depending on what you call "Astral," in LD you definitely can acquire new skills and influence your physical body. Few examples:
1. Once in LD, I learnt how to juggle with 3 balls. I simply slowed down the time, so I could easily figure out all the movements in slow motion. When I woke up, it took me just about a few minutes to figure it out. Of course, I didn't become a master of juggling, but I did learnt the basics of it in a dream.
2. Another time I got drunk with vodka in my LD and woke up feeling dizzy.
try it out, it's fun!
Beed, that sculpture is absolutely spectacular. What an awesome thing to be brought into existence. *applauds*
And the application to the astral accompanied design process is spot on. That 3D perspective. I mean the astral is solidified mind energy. How can you not do better at whatever you intend to do. :-P In short, The astral will give you the ability to suspend emotions and use emotions as tools, at will. Different emotional states are better for this or for that. Beed used it to be totally boss.
I don't use the astral for training persay, but each night I can go into a resting period with a question intently on my mind. I have not failed once to get quite spectacular guidance. Even if I don't understand the answer at the time it is given to me, it turns out to be instrumental in the solution to the query.
This is much more useful then any skill in my book.
Cheers,
Contenteo
Quote from: Contenteo on March 01, 2012, 03:50:16
I don't use the astral for training persay, but each night I can go into a resting period with a question intently on my mind. I have not failed once to get quite spectacular guidance. Even if I don't understand the answer at the time it is given to me, it turns out to be instrumental in the solution to the query.
This is much more useful then any skill in my book.
Cheers,
Contenteo
I agree with this, as I do it myself. Nearly every important decision I make, even if I'm already pretty sure what I'm going to do, I give it at least 24 hours so I can let it go during meditation and let it manifest. It'll make a car salesman mad as hell when you haggle for 2 hours and then tell him you need a day, but that's how I roll.
"I'll have a sleep on it" is a phrase that springs to mind.
It seems we all do this although commonly than not, on a subconscious level. Using the nonphysical is just a more direct form.