deos time seem to slow down during an obe?

[Tisha]

Yup - - - in certain meditative states, or places out-of-body (i.e., the Astral), time/distance has no meaning.  Once I felt as though I'd lived multiple lifetimes, only to return to the here-and-now, and practically no time had passed.

If only I could remember those lifetimes, I'd be so much wiser.

[strwrs_guru]

thanks for the input tisha


i am seriously trying to achieve an obe. i have had an experience that i thought was an obe but i was wrong on some of my details when i tried to verify it. i try to visit someone i know and see what they are wearing and then later call them to see if i was right. is this kind of detail something i should be accurate on? the people were there but they were also doing different things than i saw. i have to admit, i am starting to feel like a fool when i call these different people. they probably think i am nuts.

any suggestions?

[Tisha]

strwrs_guru, it's hard to tell the difference sometimes between a lucid dream and an OBE, especially when you're not sure you've actually had a real OBE yet.  There is a kind of "awareness continuum" where at one point your perceptions match up pretty well with consensus reality, and at another point you're WAY out there by yourself in your own reality.  Of course, it's not linear like that, but I hope you get my point, which is . . .

Parts of what you "saw" in your lucid dream/OBE might have been what your friend was actually doing, but at the same time your brain might have filled in all sorts of false or symbolic details.  OBE-ers frequently speak/write about "reality fluctuations," where the un-reality of Dreamworld overlaps the OBE experience.  

Lucid dreamers also tend to dream symbolically, so someday if you see your friend in a dream and she's  . . . hm . . . holding the head of a cow in her hands, for instance . . .  don't freak out, it's symbolic. Of what, I have no idea, it's your trip []

I wouldn't worry too much about whether or not your experience was "real," just be happy that you kept your awareness/wits about you during an Otherworldly Experience, and look forward to having more of them.  

It doesn't matter whether or not your friends believe you . . . just keep on working it and getting better at it. Your REAL friends will stick by you long enough to see you finally succeed.

[Greytraveller]

I strongly adhere to the opinion that VERY Very very few people dream about floating around in their bedroom or house. It is incredibly unlikely that anyone would dream about this And dream about seeing there physical body lying asleep And dream about floating through a wall or window and dream about flying outside above a nearby streeet.
Psychologists and that lot might argue that it is possible but they totally Fail to convince me.
So that is how to distinguis an OBE from a dream. Thousands of people report the same experience. That is a reliable standard. If you are floating in your house or apartment and see yourself lying asleep then that Is an OBE. [8D]

[beav31is]

I've been in places while OOB where there was no time at all. I have no idea how to translate it to minutes or days. I've also been in closed time loops where the start and end are the same, was hard to get out of, finally did after about 100 cycles. I've always been interested in nonlinear time, so it was lots of fun.

[cawtney]

"I strongly adhere to the opinion that VERY Very very few people dream about floating around in their bedroom or house. It is incredibly unlikely that anyone would dream about this"

Since we do dream a lot about whatever we're thinking about in normal waking life, it seems logical and likely that if we're spending time reading about or trying to have OBEs, that we'd dream about them too... I've had several OBEs within dreams that I've always considered as just that-- dreams, but then again the line between dreams and astral experience is a fine (or at least indistinct) one as far as I can tell.

[strwrs_guru]

thanks everyone.............im still working on it.

[LapSiLap]

quote:Originally posted by strwrs_guru

thanks for the input tisha

i try to visit someone i know and see what they are wearing and then later call them to see if i was right. is this kind of detail something i should be accurate on? the people were there but they were also doing different things than i saw.

What you experieced is maybe what Mr Bruce calls "Astral Reflections". It's like.. you see what the person's thinking of instead of seeing what he actually did.

[strwrs_guru]

cool, thanks lapsilap

[Arcane]

I have had a dream where i was floating around my house. Although to fly i was flapping my arms[] and couldnt fly though walls or see myself asleep. Im sure that there were some friends with me too.

Ive only dreamt about this once though. It was a long time ago, before i knew about AP.

[Greytraveller]

Cawtney -
I agreee that some dreams can appear like projections and vice versa. However some many people unnecessarily confuse them. Many people report being clear and aware during projection. That is not at all like a dream.
Being conscious of experiencing a projection is usually similar to experiencing waking cognition or being in a lucid dream. You KNOW that it's an OBE (or are awake or are in a luic dream).

[TruthSeeker]

Well heres some of my experiences when it comes to time:

I have only had one concious projection that I remember(and this was this morning!) While trying to get "out", time went really slow. I had put my alarm on one hour, but when I got back in my physical body, thee still was about half an hour before the alarm went off. I was trying for AGES it seemed, but I guess my alarm-clock knows [|)]

When it comes to dreams the same thing basicly happens. I go for a nap and I enter this really long dream. A whole day can pass by within this dream, feeling like it actually does. However when I wake up, only a couple of hours have gone by! I guess my brain must be working INCREDIBLY fast, or there is more to us than our brain[:O]

Well thats all I can contribute with [:I]

Regards,
TruthSeeker

"Yes, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil."   (Psalms 23:4)

[beav31is]

I had a short OBE that I confirmed was real by reading. It felt very much like a dream and was in the real time zone. Dreams are a kind of OBE. Why do some of you insist they are different?

[TruthSeeker]

Hello
We insist dreams are different because they are. An OBE is an OBE, a dream is a dream. They exist on different "frequencies"/or "wavelengths". A dream is created by the subconcious, or by the conscious, depending on the degree og lucidity. An OBE however is something different. This is because an OBE is more real, by real I mean the fact that multiple persons can experience the same thing, much like we do here in the physical.
Just to note: People have reported "entering" another persons dreams, hence experiencing the same as the dreamer. This does not mean it is "real", only that the projector has successfully entered the dreamers thoughts, feelings etc. Much like I can play the same computer-game as everyone, without making it "real".

However just to make it clear. I am not fully a believer on this theory. Dreams may very well be "real", but at this time I, and lots of others believe the mentioned thoery makes more sense. To outline: I am not a believer, just a TruthSeeker like the great Sir Francis Bacon. [|)]

Sincerely,
TruthSeeker

"Read not to contradict and confute, no to believe and take for granted, but to weigh and consider." - Sir Francis Bacon

[beav31is]

"An OBE is an OBE, a dream is a dream. They exist on different "frequencies"/or "wavelengths"."

Yes, and those vibrations exist in the same place. Dreams are not just in your brain.

"Just to note: People have reported "entering" another persons dreams, hence experiencing the same as the dreamer. This does not mean it is "real", only that the projector has successfully entered the dreamers thoughts, feelings etc."

You think "real" means "similar to earth." I think it means "exists in any form independent of the observer."

"Much like I can play the same computer-game as everyone, without making it "real"."

Computer games are also real. They exist as patterns of electrons in digital form. Earth is patterns of electrons, protons, etc in analog form.

[TruthSeeker]

I see we can not get any further in this discussion, so I will retire[|)]
What you are saying is exactly what I am saying, or at least what I meant to say. We have the same opinion about it, only that we draw two seperate conclusions in words. Read my mind, and you will understand waht I am saying[].

Take care everyone,
TruthSeeker

[strwrs_guru]

i have a very busy life schedule, what with having three kids, and the only time i seem to have time to experiment with an obe is during my lunch hour from work. i lay in my car and always feel i wont have the time to achieve anything, but i will relax and meditate and the vibrations come and i will try for what seems like over an hour. but sure enough when i wake up less than a half an hour has passed. i am always amazed at the time slowing down syndrome. does this happen to anyone else?