Is it possible to see what someone else is dreaming while in the RTZ? Can you project into their dreams and communicate with the dreaming person or maybe even change their dream? Can you see their memories, hopes and dreams? It's an interesting idea and something I will definitely try once I consciously project :-o
it is possible yes
:NoY:
Personally, I do not believe it is possible.
Why?
Because, as I've mentioned before, the subconscious is where these dreams take place... and it's a very personal area.
In the same sense that only our spirit has the particular key to operate these physical bodies, only your spirit has the key to enter and use your particular dream space.
not only have i projected into someone Else's dreams i have also had people enter mine to heal me on many occasions :roll:
:NoY:
I think the subconscious isn't where dreams take place. I think that when we sleep we gain access to the subconscious, making it part of our active thinking mind. Then, we experience whatever that active thinking mind produces. I'm not sure of where that would happen, but I think it happens wherever we go when we lose conscience in the physical (wherever it is somebody goes when they have a near-death experience, for instance).
Following those lines, all it would take for two people to meet would be strong affinity. The individual that is coming to meet the dreamer is much more lucid than the dreamer, probably, and has the opportunity to directly interact with the subject's unconscious mind, shaping it to whatever he feels is more appropriate.
Take, for example, the occasions where R. Monroe met with people while they were sleeping (he did that, right? I can't recall the experimenter properly, but I definitely recall the experience. It may have been someone else). He talked to them as if they were awake, but the next day they didn't remember a thing. I think it may be him talking to people in their dreams.
NOTE: I mentioned the near-death experiences, but I'm not sure whether they take place on the same "plane" or dimension as dreams. I'm still digesting that information, wrote it as an example.
NOY: How did that go? Do you remember the experience as it happened?
Quote from: Lezi on November 14, 2010, 14:51:43
Is it possible to see what someone else is dreaming while in the RTZ? Can you project into their dreams and communicate with the dreaming person or maybe even change their dream? Can you see their memories, hopes and dreams? It's an interesting idea and something I will definitely try once I consciously project :-o
I think so. I think many 'prophetic visions' are actually visions of what someone else may be afraid of, or possibly their dreams. Something like this has happened to me and others when I was growing up- at first we thought we were having some sort of precognition, but later we realized that some of us were going into someone else's dreams and witnessing them.
Xanth, I'm surprised at your answer, because you're one of the people who say that the 'realms' are not physical places but focus levels, and this includes the dreaming focus, so I'm not sure why you would limit dreaming to a 'location' as opposed to an 'angle of focus' in the matrix (or whatever you may want to call it).
I would say that most dreams are limited to an angle of focus (realize that this is a very limited way of describing this, since I don't have the vocab to come up with something better) and that it is personal and private, but we can (especially when the experience becomes conscious) broaden our angle to see what someone else is producing/seeing, and I do think that every once in a while you can 'wander off', although it's usually unconscious and not deliberate.
All are wonderful and very valid opinions.
Obviously though, I don't claim (and let's be honest here, CAN'T claim) to hold the correct one, nobody can... I only claim to hold "my" version of it.
I just believe people misinterpret their experiences... which is why they come to their own conclusions. :)
CFT,
I just see each persons "dream area" (astral, subconscious, imagination, etc...) as an area of consciousness not open to anyone but themselves.
This reasoning makes absolute sense to me, but I'm unsure of how to relay why to others as of yet. I shall endevour to attempt to explain my way of thinking in this case when I'm able to. :)
One interesting thing from Bruce Moen's fourth book is that he and his fellow APers were tracked and followed by a lot of people (more than hundreds) that were in dream state (meaning they were sleeping on Earth).
This means:
1. People are not only in F 22 when dream, but can be all over the place.
2. People can share dreams.
The question remains if it is possible to completely shut out other people from your dreams (and stay in F 22)? I'm doubtful as I've even read about one retrieval that was done on a discarnate that got stuck in F 22 (yes, in F 22, not F 23). That discarnate person had ended up in a repeating dream.
According to Robert Bruce it is. He has stated that the astral plane is made up of "mind stuff" which includes all thoughts and emotions etc. But since I have never had conscious projections (all of mine were spontaneous and short), I am not an expert on the topic. It's intriguing but also scary at the same time to imagine that other people might be able to view another's dreams because they can get pretty personal :|
Real-time version of Inception :-D
Quote from: Lezi on November 14, 2010, 21:20:27
According to Robert Bruce it is. He has stated that the astral plane is made up of "mind stuff" which includes all thoughts and emotions etc. But since I have never had conscious projections (all of mine were spontaneous and short), I am not an expert on the topic. It's intriguing but also scary at the same time to imagine that other people might be able to view another's dreams because they can get pretty personal :|
How many of your 10 or 15 dreams per night do you remember? Not to worry.
Quote from: Xanth on November 14, 2010, 19:09:09
CFT,
I just see each persons "dream area" (astral, subconscious, imagination, etc...) as an area of consciousness not open to anyone but themselves.
This reasoning makes absolute sense to me, but I'm unsure of how to relay why to others as of yet. I shall endevour to attempt to explain my way of thinking in this case when I'm able to. :)
Here's my take on it: at that level of consciousness, it's much more malleable to our thoughts and subconscious, meaning if you think it, it happens. So what we're immersed in then is mostly ourselves. This doesn't mean that other people's thoughts can't also effect it, or that you can't observe their interactions.
An F3 type environment is much more stable, much less malleable, so everything is much more observable and solid, with seemingly more interaction with others.
Think of F2 as learning to swim. At first, you're all unstable, splashing around and creating a mess of waves everywhere - they all come off of you. But as you learn to swim (concentrate and focus), you make fewer waves and the water becomes more calm. Then, you can begin to discern the waves created by other sources that your waves were overpowering at the time. You may be surprised how many are there.
Well, I'll definitely keep an eye out from now on when I'm out and about. :)
Quote from: Stookie on November 15, 2010, 16:27:32
Think of F2 as learning to swim. At first, you're all unstable, splashing around and creating a mess of waves everywhere - they all come off of you. But as you learn to swim (concentrate and focus), you make fewer waves and the water becomes more calm. Then, you can begin to discern the waves created by other sources that your waves were overpowering at the time. You may be surprised how many are there.
Nice. I think it's back to arm floats again, then :-D