Great experience Jeff!!
So, lets see...you take a bite out of some drywall, and now a tree! Poor astral objects...they are gonna start cringing when you come floating by with your hungry, hungry hippo act! Hehehehe [:D]
P.S. you should have come seen me this morning, I would have been up for a astral jaunt..[;)]
Nay
Great projection!
One question, when you took the bite out of the tree, how do you think that effected the tree? Do you think you actually took a bite out of the tree's astral manifestation, or what?
My own story is that about 5 or 6 years ago I went through a period of intense astral, lucid dreaming and vision experiences. At first I had to try real hard to have the experiences, but after about three months the experiences began to come of their own, and even began to get a little out of control. I began to fear them, and subsequently learned how to shut the experiences down. Man, I tell you, if this forum was around then things prolly would have turned out better, but it wasn't. [:(]
Since then, I have learned a lot about myself, and have now decided I am ready to take my astral journeys back up. Thank God you guys are here!
I tell you this story so I could post one of my own past projections, for comparison. In this one, taken from my dream journal of the period, with some commentary added for perspective, what started out and ended as a projection contained what turned out to be a very powerful and personal vision.
I would appreciate commentary from anyone who has also experienced this type of thing.
4/4/98
The night had started out badly with Patti (my wife) and I arguing. I
went to bed feeling estranged and alone. I finally fell into a fitful
sleep but woke up about 1:15 PM. I had a headache from the beer I
had after work at Bunz's (A quarterly work get together). and my
stomach was growling from going without dinner, though I can't say I
was really hungry.
I lay there for some hours. I held Patti until she was warm. Laying
there, I felt myself drift. Eventually there was a flash of
vibration. I knew it would be a good time to try to project.
I was a little apprehensive, because it seems the quality of the
projection is so dependant on the current emotional state.
I lay on my back, up close to Patti's back. I imagined our auras -
pink and blue, a little yellow. I imagined us glowing with a strong
internal light - white, and then golden. At first there were quick
flashes of pruple and black, but I smoothed it over, suffused it with
illumination, and brought back the golden glow.
After things had settled down for a while and we were radiating a
steady warm healing glow, I let myself drift back. I straightened my
legs, knees over a pillow, straightened my back and crossed my arms
over my chest. I began to breathe deeply. Inhale slow, rushing
exhale - an exhalation that drains the stress from my body.
The lower half of my body felt relaxed and energized immediately,
which surprised me because I had not stretched that night. The
exhalations continued. With each rushing exhalation I felt myself
sink deeper down a bottomless shaft. I was falling in infinity, held
up only by the thread of my breath. I imagined I was falling end over
end, and crossed my eyes, staring blankly at a point a few inches in
front of my forehead behind closed lids to further disassociate my
mind from it's physical location. All this I did fairly easy from
recent practice.
I felt a flash of vibration. I stilled my mind to let it sink
further. On the next exhalation I was dimly aware of the falling
sensation taking hold as the vibration, which was not particularly
strong, took hold, and I rose out of my body.
I rose slowly. I turned around. I was at the foot of the bed looking
at the dark forms of myself and Patti asleep, It was quiet and dark.
I thought I should go somewhere, and thought to rise. I rose to the
cieling slowly, as if I were swimming. I moved with difficulty, in
slow motion. I made it to the ceiling above the door where wall and
ceilling joined. I pressed myself into the corner, trying to get out.
I could smell the paint, but I could not get through it. I began to
suspect something else was going on.
I saw a door to my right, next to the chest of droors. (Astrally the
apartment was always layed out the same way - different from it's
actual physical layout - e.g., there was always a door on this wall,
though there isn't one actually.) It was closed, but I reasoned that
maybe I could pass through a door because my body was used to using them.
I passed through the door. I was in the front room of a nother
apartment, althought I know there is not physically the front room of
another apartment behind that wall. Anyway, it was dark, but there
was some light coming in from the street through the front window. I
looked around. There wasn't much to see. To the right was a
dinette. Going left from the dinette was a couch, the large front
window, then the front door. Presumably there was a kitchen area
behind the dinette. I glimpsed a walkway on the front lawn leading
to the street. It was night, the light was coming from a single lamp
post on the street.
I saw something hanging from the back of one of the dinette chairs.
It was a wide, flat, misshapen skull. The cranium bulged in ringlike
folds around the top, like a hat or something - but there was no
denying the facial bones.
Then I noticed the front wall began to glow red. I felt afraid but
quickly quenched the thought. Too many times panic had cut short my
meanderings.
The red glow was getting much brighter. Other articles in the room
glowed. The light was becoming intense, almost white with intensity
but it was red. The room was getting consumed by the brilliant red
light, starting at the window and moving in. I turned around. A light
shone under the bedroom door. I fled back into the bedroom.
The bedroom was also ablaze with light. All the lights were on,
including the large overhead light. Interestingly, at the head of the
bed, set into an alcove in the wall (another astral feature) was a
brilliant christmas tree. I decided that when I went into the astral
door going out of the bedroom, I must have entered a dream state.
But I was back in my own room now. Everything was where it should be;
the door, the window, the closet, everything. I had never seen it so
bright. Why would I go to another room through another door, instead
of just going straight into the living room? And why should I then
go back into my bedroom? And why the hell was there a christmas tree
at the head of the bed? I would puzzle over these questions and
others for years after when I awoke.
Then I saw Patti, laid beneath the tree, in bed, like a gift. She
lay as if in a trance. Her eyes looked funny, like buttons sewn on a
teddy bear. I realized she could not see me. She was talking gently
to herself, perhaps dreaming.
I lay down beside her, floating on the covers. I tried to hold her,
but she was oblivioous to me. I tried to tell her to wake up, that I
was there, but then I stopped. From somewher I felt that I should not
disturb her. She kept on talking to herself. She was dressed in the
same sweatshirt and looked exactly how she actually looked as she lay
in bed that night.
Suddenly her eyes seemed to open and she looked at me and said, "I
need at least two hours after we're upset at each other." Then, she
looked away again, and resumed talking to herself.
I looked at the twinkling christmas tree (beautiful!) and floated off
the bed. There were some lumps under the covers in the bed next to
her. Thinking back, I guess they were me. I floated up toward the
ceilling.
I started to float around the perimeter of the room, circling closer
and closer to the bed. The lights went out gradually. I felt a
yearning in my head. It was time to go back. I slowly fell backward.
I lined up with my body on the bed. I entered slowly, then I was
rising through layers of sensation. I felt the covers across my body.
I felt my eyes closed. I felt my breath.
Just like that, step by step, I came out of the dream state, conscious
the whole while, and woke up. I opened my eyes and lay there for a
moment, collecting my thoughts about what I had just experienced. I
looked at the clock. It was 3:49.
This was the first experience I had where I was conscious from
beginning to end. Though most likely a lucid dream, the projection
setting was striking. I feel this carried a very strong message, like
a vision. Very strange.
What can I say? WOW!
I felt as if I was right there with you! You described the experience beautifully. I really look foward to you trying to have OOBE's again, so I may drift away with you.
I have had one really good projection, the rest are so short.[:P]
You and Jeff are a inspiration to me..I will not give up!
Thanks for sharing that Kiauma. [:D]
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I really look foward to you trying to have OOBE's again, so I may drift away with you.
Thanks for sharing that Kiauma.
You are welcome, that would be awesome! Thanks for being here to share it. Back then there was no one I could really talk to about it, and I began to think I was losing my mind.
Wish I wasn't so good at unlearning things. [:(]
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Originally posted by Nay
Great experience Jeff!!
So, lets see...you take a bite out of some drywall, and now a tree! Poor astral objects...they are gonna start cringing when you come floating by with your hungry, hungry hippo act! Hehehehe [:D]
Yeah I know! I don't know what is up with me and biting astral objects....except that in both instances, I specifically remember telling myself to do something that "no one else has ever tried before."
That's not to say that I'm the first to do this, by any means. However, I have never READ or HEARD about someone doing it, and this was enough for me!
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P.S. you should have come seen me this morning, I would have been up for a astral jaunt..[;)]
I seriously considered it....but for some reason, while astrally walking along the sidewalk, I didn't feel the desire to do so like I do when I'm in the physical.
In the past, it's been easier for me to pick a remote target and try to travel there WHEN I'M IN THE BLACK VOID. I think that's because I have nothing to look at and explore when in this state, so I automatically shoot for someone (like you) to visit.
However, if I am already in an astral environment that I can see and interact with, my mind becomes so preoccupied with that scenario that I seldom have the urge to fly away from it.
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Originally posted by kiauma
One question, when you took the bite out of the tree, how do you think that effected the tree? Do you think you actually took a bite out of the tree's astral manifestation, or what?
I thought about this AFTER I came back....not while I was doing it. I have no idea if it had any effect on the tree in that realm. I didn't feel a sense of pain coming from the tree when I did it, nor did I feel like I was "harming" or destroying it at the time.
I also read the projection experience you had, and I thank you for sharing it.
I could tell from reading it that it left you somewhat confused. First of all, from my experience, there isn't a whole heck of a lot of difference between a lucid dream and an OBE. In fact, many people wonder how they can tell the difference. Here is how I break it down:
For me, a traditional lucid dream is one where I don't have a lot of mental control. I may have lucidity to tell me that I'm not in my physical body, but mentally, I'm on autopilot. It's like I'm watching myself do certain things without questioning WHY.
This is unlike an OBE or AP, where I have full control of my mental faculties. I use logic, reasoning, and possess all of my normal thought processes to make decisions.
With that in perspective, it's easy to relinquish tiny amounts of control in a traditional OBE and have this 'auto-pilot' take over....which is why things start to go from weird to strange almost instantaneously. And then, just as quickly as this weird environment is created, you can gain full control again, and interact with this environment.
Imagine many years ago when you were learning how to drive. I don't know how you were instructed, but during my driving school, I had to ride with an instructor who had his own steering wheel and pedals on the PASSENGER side of the car. I would be using the drivers side controls, but in case of an emergency, the instructor could take over at anytime from the passenger side of the car.
Having an OBE is kinda like that. You may start off with the instructor driving you somewhere (aka You're in some lucid dream environment).......then he gives you control of the steering wheel (aka You become fully consciously aware and now possess total control).
AND...during the experience, the instructor can take control, make a few turns, and then give control back to you....which is why sometimes, you walk through a door only to find another completely different scene....or a Christmas tree in your room! Because the instructor made these turns, and then you took back over.
That is how I see things.
Hey Jeff,
Great traveling. The mental travel is what I usually do. I have rarely done the astral body thing. Do you hope to have more mental travels? I hope you do!
It seems to me you did do some time travel. I wonder if you caused a haunt at your old house?[:)] Just curious, anything out of the ordinary happen while you lived in the house of your past. I was thinking maybe something may have happened to you back then that may have marked your time travel visit.
What do think of this thread called 5 bodies? I think it's a good decription. I have trouble figuring out this about different body layers.
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=9926
In particular, I wonder if there is a difference between the etheral body and the astral body. I don't know enough to respond to that thread.
Hi Kiauma,
Your OBe is quite interesting. I pay attention to fairly frequent symbols in the subconscious. I'm only taking a guess, but the Christmas Tree could possible about the presence or prediction of Kundelini activity. It seems I'm reading about trees a lot, on forum.
LOL! Taking a bite out of a tree. And i thought i was crazy [:D]
I wonder what benefits mental projection has over astral projection. This is an area i've only heard a little bit about. Does anybody know of any websites or books that talk about it in more detail?
Thanks for your account as well, Kiauma, very cool indeed! [:)]
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Originally posted by Euphoric Sunrise
I wonder what benefits mental projection has over astral projection. This is an area i've only heard a little bit about. Does anybody know of any websites or books that talk about it in more detail?
To me, there really wasn't any benefit one way or another. The mental projection, as short as it was, felt exactly the same as my normal ones...except that I felt like I wasn't in a body of any kind. It was just my mind observing.
In fact, I remember at the time thinking, "I wonder if this is what remote viewers feel like?" But I discounted that, since most remote viewers see things like on a screen in their 3rd eye while they are awake.
Meanwhile, I was fully immersed in this environment, as if I were there....possessing all my mental faculties and logical mind.
Again, it was the same as if I were having one of my normal projections, except I had no astral bodily sensations present.
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Originally posted by wisp
Hey Jeff,
Great traveling. The mental travel is what I usually do. I have rarely done the astral body thing. Do you hope to have more mental travels? I hope you do!
Wisp,
This was the first one that I was able to recognize, let's put it that way. In every one of my other projections, I was at least able to flail my arms around, even in the black void.
This was the first time I was able to say, "Hmmmm, this is slightly different!"
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It seems to me you did do some time travel. I wonder if you caused a haunt at your old house?[:)] Just curious, anything out of the ordinary happen while you lived in the house of your past. I was thinking maybe something may have happened to you back then that may have marked your time travel visit.
Nothing out of the ordinary ever happened there. However, it IS my childhood home. I grew up there the first 18 years of my life, and 75% of ALL my OBE's seem to take me there.
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In particular, I wonder if there is a difference between the etheral body and the astral body. I don't know enough to respond to that thread.
I admit that I am no expert or authority on the different energy bodies. In fact, I used to read other people's experiences where they described themselves as just a point of consciousness, bodiless, in some astral environment....and I would think, "Well, isn't that special." <Dana Carvey church lady impression>
But after having this mental projection, I know see the difference between the astral and the mental. Although there is still so much more to learn.
As far as the difference between the etheric and the astral bodies, most people say that the etheric is the closest one to your physical body. If you ever project by rolling out of your body or something, and things are really heavy, sluggish, or otherwise immobile, chances are that you're still in your etheric body, which is closely binded with the physical body.
They say when you sleep, it's the etheric body which expands a few inches above your body, and this is what draws in a lot of energy to replenish you when you're unconscious.
The astral body is the body above the etheric body, which is free to move far away from the physical without any heaviness and magnetic pull.
Again, I base all this on what I have READ. While I have experienced all of this many times, I don't know enough to say, "Yes, this was DEFINITELY the etheric body you were in," or "Yes, this was DEFINITELY the astral body you were in."
However, it does make sense to me, what I described above.
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As far as the difference between the etheric and the astral bodies, most people say that the etheric is the closest one to your physical body. If you ever project by rolling out of your body or something, and things are really heavy, sluggish, or otherwise immobile, chances are that you're still in your etheric body, which is closely binded with the physical body.
Jeff
Thanks for this definition. I think it very well explains the only projection I have been able to do. The vibrations came almost instantly. They didn't start slow and build but were instantaneous and quite severe. I had read enough to know what they were and I had conditioned myself to not be afraid and I wasn't. I simply told myself that it was time to 'lift off' and I did. I floated at what I felt was a couple of feet above my physical body. At this time I decided to do a 180 degree roll to the left and see if I could see my physical body. I completed the roll very successfully but could not see anything. Pitch black. Possibly I could have given myself a strong command of "clarity" or "see now" but I didn't. What I did notice that I thought was strange is that I was not nearly as light and buoyant as I had expected to be. Quite the contrary as I felt heavy and having to struggle to maintain my altitude. At this time I reversed my roll and as I was having trouble staying afloat, I just settled back into the physical body. I did either hear or feel some sort of click when I reentered. Based on your description, I was probably in the 'etheral' body and not the 'astral.'
Thanks.
Razorback
Thanks Jeff. You are good at explaining things. I think I'm beginning to understand more about the etheral body is now.I don't understand why my etheral body does a flip when it's out. When my etheral body is above me, it's facing the opposite direction. I think this is what causes a disoriented state for me. It's from this disorientation I move onward to wherever. I wonder if this has something to do with balancing something, or maybe why I only travel mentally? I don't get a sense of weight or slugglishness during this exit. Once recently, I did feel a heavy body come into me while I was waking up. It came in through my back. Could this be the etheral body?
Hey guys,
As usual, this is copied directly as I entered it in the OBE Journal program (http://www.obejournal.com).
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I had two projections this morning, one being my first MENTAL projection.
I was lying on my left side, semi-fetal position, and it was around 4:00am.
I remember reaching out for the scenery in my astral vision. You see, my vision goes from being pitch black, eventually it becomes 3 dimensional and takes on some depth.....and finally, the depth turns into a scene.
Well, this scene turned into a full color projection where I phased into a room. The strange part of it was that I didn't have a body! It was weird. As I moved around this room, I was consciously aware that I didn't have a body of any kind, unlike all my previous projections where I could feel my astral arms and legs. This really made things clear to me regarding the differences between an astral and a mental projection.
I didn't know where I was, and it only lasted for about 10 seconds so I can't really describe the room at all. I just remember being completely aware that my MIND was projected into this place, and that I had no type of body sensation present.....which made me think about my body and thus, ended my experience.
Shortly thereafter, I phased again into the astral, but this time, I was in my astral body. I phased into the backyard of my childhood home. I poked my head through the window of my room, and immedietely, I had the feeling that I was looking back in time. My room appeared to be identical to how it was when I was younger.
I also suddenly felt very powerful and in control...almost as if I started to realize that I was "coming into my own" as far as projections are concerned. Think of the Matrix part 1, at the end, when Neo gets up after being shot to death, and now sees things in a different light. I kinda felt like that.
Still looking in my old room, I extended my arms open wide, and floated UP through the ceiling and above the roof of the two story house. The clarity and realness was amazing, and I felt like I could stay out forever. I tell you, it never gets tiring to simply fly, or to take a moment and realize that you're indeed out of your body!
I floated down from the roof and stood on the driveway of the house. I looked up at this tree and said, "I bet I could jump up to the top of that thing." So with a big jump, I ended up soaring to the top, and almost overshot myself! I had to grab onto the very top branches to stop my outward momentum!
I then landed again, and suddenly became very bored. I went over to the tree and said, "You know what? This is the astral, and I can do some crazy things. I think I want to take a big bite out of that tree." Don't ask me why I wanted to do this. I simply wanted to do something that no one has ever done before, and this was the first thing that popped into my head.
So I walked over to the tree in the front yard (the same one I almost jumped over), went up to its trunk, and took a huge bite out of it. The chunk peeled off almost like a tender beef jerky, but it didn't have a taste. I soon started to spit it out with great effort, because my mouth was full of the stuff.
I then walked along the sidewalk, asking aloud, "What the hell am I going to do now?" I remember contemplating visiting a couple of people on the Astral Pulse forum, but I decided against it at that time. For whatever reason, I don't know. I also contemplated visiting a deceased relative, but soon thereafter, I thought of my body and returned.
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