Keep Getting Stuck, Advice Please :-)

[Aaron330]

The last 3 or 4 projection attempts I've had, the same exact thing has happened. I go through my routine as I lay on my couch, and after 30-60 minutes the sensations start. Warm liquid surges through my body, it tingles sharply all over, sometimes I'll feel vibrations in my head, etc. Eventually as I drift in and out of sleep, I'll feel a strong surge of floating motion upwards, along with a strong "astral wind sound" in my pineal gland. I have learned through many failures that I need to just relax and let the process happen, not get excited or too happy in the least. This has been working marvelously as I feel the sensation of being shot through space or something (much like Frank used to describe) and eventually it stops. I arrive in what I believe is the 3D blackness. Today however was different as it was more intense than ever, and instead of just hearing the astral wind sound, I heard an extremely loud beeping sound, which immediately reminded of a sound you'd hear on Star Trek  when they are about to teleport through space. It was so loud it actually hurt my ears. Yet I remained calm and ended up in the 3D blackness. It feels so good. So I remained calm for a minute or two, enjoying the warm feeling and free floating sensation. Then I decided "I'll try an exit technique". So I tried the roll out. Yet it felt like I couldn't move. I was barely able to move my astral body at all. I thought about trying to grab a rope, yet couldn't move my astral arm. It felt heavy and paralyzed. So I relaxed for a few more minutes and thought, "I'll try and demand for vision or clarity and see what happens". So I said "Vision now!" Nothing but blackness..."Clarity now!" nothing...I did see some sparkling lights go by in the distance. But that was all. Then I relaxed for a minute again and thought "I'll direct my focused point of awareness somewhere and try to end up there". I thought about seeing my living room as intently as I could. Still nothing but blackness. Then some dumbass plane decided to fly over my house which woke me up. So rude.

This has happened 3-4 times. What can I do to get out of this blackness and start exploring? I don't care where I go. RTZ or somewhere in the Astral. I just want to get out of the blackness and start having fun!

[EscapeVelocity]

In my opinion, you have made really good progress. Your attitude, your emotional control, your expectations, all sound really well zeroed in to what you are looking for. Well done!

You still feel lost, huh? Welcome to the club! 

I would like to hear a little more of your description of the 3D Void, but it sounds like you are there. Next time there, you should just relax, enjoy the peace and 'notice' the velvety, textural depth that may develop within a certain area. When that happens, just let the feel of it develop until it pulls you into it. You might even give it a little intention (of wherever you want to go, if you have a destination in mind) and let it take you. Or give it the intention of what ever is best for your development. Hand it over to your higher self.

You are already further ahead then you think. There's no need for exit techniques, or asking for clarity or astral sight, or attempting to move an astral body part. You are already well past all that. You are now an astral point of consciousness, ready to take form in some NP Realm. You still have the trick before you of how to get there!
Having fun yet?! You are not going RTZ. You have been set up to go astral. Yes, stay calm, stay detached.

The 3D Blackness/Void is like a quiet channel between realms...you are free to go wherever you want...wherever you can properly place your intent. Its a place we evidently return to from time to time..I'm  not exactly sure what realms you may have access to from there, I'm still figuring that out for myself...but you can go to at least a few places like your personal lucid dream areas or the lower astral (it seems?), but best of all you can ask to go to astral school or ask for astral instruction from your guides.

I was basking in the Void a few years ago and was visited by an instructor who asked and launched me into a most remarkable adventure. Blew me away. It's not a dream, it's an entirely unintended experience. You have to find new categories to place these things. Some of it comes through as unexplainable. You soon realize that you can't even share this with your closest friends.

Be accepting of the fact that you have to take it step by step, be open and ready to go with the flow. I just learned a big lesson about that. Pay attention to the feel of a situation. Know that you are always safe and in the company of a guide whether you see them or not.

EV

[Astralsuzy]

 EscapeVelocity gave you good advice.   The good thing is you keep trying different things.   That is all we can do is to keep trying.   You said you tried to intently see your living room.   Perhaps that is where you went wrong.   You may not have done anything wrong.   I am only guessing.   If you were trying hard to see your living room  that could put a strain and cause you not to ap.   When I imagine something I do it gently.   I usually do not see the picture that well as my visual skills is not very good but it does not matter.   It still works.   The other possibility is if you were thinking of your physical body and that can send you back into yourself again.   It happens to me a lot.   I do not try to think of my body but at the back of my mind I know I am out of my body.   I am learning not to do that.   The other possibility is you have passed the time limit of ap sensation and it will not work.   Keep trying to ap because sometimes it still works.   As the rolling method and grabbing a rope does not work, I would keep trying to see your living room.   You could imagine other things if that does not work, such as swimming, playing golf, flying, at the beach etc.    The advantage of those activities is you are not using your astral arms or legs.   You go out instantly.

[Aaron330]

Thank you EV and Astralsuzy for your advice! It really helps a lot to have experienced projectors help make sense of all the brand new, weird stuff you're experiencing as your learning. I am not totally sure I am in fact in the void, as I've never been there before. I'll explain it a little bit better:

After I am shot off and experience some sort of space-travel type feeling with the wind and painfully loud electronic beeping noises, I eventually arrive at a stillness. Now, the blackness I was once looking at with my eyes still looks about the same. I can't say for sure that it appears 3D for sure as it is pitch blackness, but it does appear to have more depth than with closed eyes. What's more telling for me is that it "feels" like I'm floating somewhere. Like you said EV, that I am now a floating point of awareness.

However I wonder why, after all these intense projection sensations, I still don't see anything but the same blackness? I expect to see something, whether its my living room or somewhere on the astral. But my problem is, I cannot "visualize somewhere I want to go" in the astral, because I've never been anywhere in the astral. I can only visualize places on the physical. So I guess I will take AstralSuzy's advice next time and just imagine myself swimming in some gorgeous beach setting and see if that works.

But I think the consensus idea I've heard so far is to try and call out to a guide next time, asking for help. I talk to my guides before I project asking for help, but I've never asked them for help after the projection yet. So I will definitely do this next time I arrive in this blackness, and hopefully something will happen!

[EscapeVelocity]

Good points by Astralsuzy; we bring different aspects of this to a sharper focus.

If you keep showing up in the same scenario, 3 or four times, it means something. I have come to realize these experiences are not by accident; your guide(s) are trying to show you something, get you to realize something. You will likely stay here until you realize what you need to, getting the same scenario or a minor variation of it until you get the lesson.
How long ago did you leave school? Well, welcome back! We never quit getting schooled.

I know and share the frustration, I feel stalled within my own set of lessons. It's too much like work at times.

Like Szaxx told me once, "You can scream in frustration now."  

And now I realize there's another test going on here...for me. And the test is to resist my know-it-all ego and not blurt out the answer. You need to figure this out. So here we both are...you getting a lesson in the NP and me getting a lesson back here in the P. a twisty kind of irony...ain't Life great?!

So I have to thank you Aaron, for giving me the opportunity for this test! I know I'm going to get slapped upside the head by my guide(s)...Aaaaarrgghh....lol

Keep trying, you are doing great and the result will be worth it! I do know that!

[Aaron330]

Good points by Astralsuzy; we bring different aspects of this to a sharper focus.

If you keep showing up in the same scenario, 3 or four times, it means something. I have come to realize these experiences are not by accident; your guide(s) are trying to show you something, get you to realize something. You will likely stay here until you realize what you need to, getting the same scenario or a minor variation of it until you get the lesson.
How long ago did you leave school? Well, welcome back! We never quit getting schooled.

I know and share the frustration, I feel stalled within my own set of lessons. It's too much like work at times.

Like Szaxx told me once, "You can scream in frustration now."  

And now I realize there's another test going on here...for me. And the test is to resist my know-it-all ego and not blurt out the answer. You need to figure this out. So here we both are...you getting a lesson in the NP and me getting a lesson back here in the P. a twisty kind of irony...ain't Life great?!

So I have to thank you Aaron, for giving me the opportunity for this test! I know I'm going to get slapped upside the head by my guide(s)...Aaaaarrgghh....lol

Keep trying, you are doing great and the result will be worth it! I do know that!

Haha! Well, I should really be thanking you EV, but I see your point, so you're welcome  I appreciate all your helpful advice, and I do like the idea of "going back to school" and getting to learn something anew again. I've always loved learning!

My problem is, I'm not quite sure if I am in fact, "ending up anywhere". I know without a doubt that I HAVE to be projecting somewhere outside my physical. Because the sensations are so strong it feels like it could almost rip me apart for a few seconds as the astral wind comes to a climax, and then it just STOPS abruptly. And I am in a place of total peace and relaxation, staring at the same black darkness. I am not sure if I am just stuck in my physical body and laying there without vision because I'm supposed to slip out? Or if like you've said I might have phased somewhere else in the void or something. Nevertheless, I will certainly be calling out to my guides next time around! When the student is ready, the teacher appears, right? 

[Szaxx]

The void FEELS like your in a cavern, the backdrop is grainy, the sensations of movement are real and the floaty feel is there.
As your guides need some feedback, things like the loud noise need to be mastered. By using your will and intent you would have done better if you focussed upon this and reduced the volume to a more appropriate level. This shows you are aware and in control of your immediate environment. This is the feedback you need to show.
There's no point in going further if you're not conciously aware and in control, whatever the experience may be there's every chance you'll not remember it and an adventure would serve no purpose.
Next time, react with the environment. If nothing appears from your thoughts, go upwards, this is an intention of moving by concious decision making and you should feel the tactile sensation of going upwards.
Once you've purposely reacted you can then ask for something you need to know. This will work in the void every time without fail.
There will be no connection to the physical body at all and don't think of it too. Have the desire to be shown something required in your mind. Your guides will react accordingly if they know its actually your concious self and not the subconcious mind working the situation.
A mindset to learn is really good, the subconcious doesn't have this ability as it's the concious mind that programs it mostly.

[Lionheart]

 When in the void, turn your Flashlight on. Don't look for it. It's already in your hand, Just turn it on!

[Aaron330]

Wow lots of good insight there, thank you Szaxx (and Lionheart). From the way you describe it, I'm not actually sure I was in the void then. It was nothing but blackness, and it did feel like I was floating, but there was not necessarily any grainy or 3D look to it. My question is, if I wasn't in the void, where would I have been? Perhaps floating above my body but without my astral sight activated? This was my thinking behind demanding vision because I wasn't sure if I was in fact in the void or not.

I will remember that advice though Szaxx and do my best to apply it with my very limited amount of experience and knowledge in this arena. It really is like learning to walk again lol

[Lionheart]

 Here is just one great thread of many that can be found by searching "3D darkness" or "3D blackness" in the upper right hand corner search engine. Just make sure you do your search on the Home page here. It's been talked about many, many times here.

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_out_of_body_experiences/what_is_the_nature_of_the_3d_darkness-t42536.0.html

[Lionheart]

 One thing to add as well. This video is great for helping you reach the 3D void/darkness.

  In the first 1/2 hour he shows you how to reach Focus 3. In the second he brings you into Focus 10. This is a great video to use to reach the 3D darkness/ void.

I use it often, just for a "tune up".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHGHfOuP_ts

This will also teach you how to relax and stay focused at the same time.   

[Aaron330]

One thing to add as well. This video is great for helping you reach the 3D void/darkness.

  In the first 1/2 hour he shows you how to reach Focus 3. In the second he brings you into Focus 10. This is a great video to use to reach the 3D darkness/ void.

I use it often, just for a "tune up".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHGHfOuP_ts

This will also teach you how to relax and stay focused at the same time.   

Oh thank you Lionheart! I actually bought Hemi-Sync Gateway 1 CD's a few weeks ago. I've been using track 2 most especially, although it seems to always put me into a deep sleep by the end because its so effective.

If I had known these tracks were on youtube I wouldn't have spent 25$ on the CD's! lol

[Lionheart]

Oh thank you Lionheart! I actually bought Hemi-Sync Gateway 1 CD's a few weeks ago. I've been using track 2 most especially, although it seems to always put me into a deep sleep by the end because its so effective.

If I had known these tracks were on youtube I wouldn't have spent 25$ on the CD's! lol

The entire Monroe Hemi Sync program has been beneficial to countless amount of people over the years.

I am just starting to explore their SAM programs. SAM stands for Spatial Angle Modulation.

This is a statement from their website on SAM.

"The Spatial Angle Modulation™ audio support technology provides a means of inducing altered states of consciousness ranging from deep relaxation to expanded perceptual abilities and other "extraordinary" states. When SAM is combined with other sensory-information techniques (such as sitting in a darkened room), social-psychological conditioning tools (such as group communitas), and educational curriculum (in which new cognitive, "consciousness expansion" skills are learned), it has the ability destabilize the ongoing baseline state of consciousness (usually the normal waking state). And, as the process continues, the SAM stimuli are modified and become patterning forces to engender various altered states of consciousness. Eventually, a new self-stabilized structure—the desired altered state of consciousness—forms and is supported by SAM thus providing access to a variety of beneficial applications and personal experiences of expanded states of consciousness. This new technology enables you to move across the "bridge to other reality systems" and integrate your experiences, craft a genuinely meaningful life, realize your true Self and, thereby, benefit all of humankind."

[EscapeVelocity]

Whether you are actually in the Void or not, is ultimately irrelevant, you have to work with the environment as it is presented. That can be tough when you are just a bodiless, point of awareness!
You don't have a great many options at hand (much less a hand lol).

Your vision is not physical; you are sensing, so be aware that 'physical' interpretations will likely confuse.

Your intention is the primary mover in any of this.

Like Szaxx said, if your intention fails, try a sense of physically moving upward; this may break the stasis. Then ask or express again.

A question- you've said you have expressed intentions and requested help from NP guides. What are your specific requests? What do you want from an OBE?

[Lionheart]

Whether you are actually in the Void or not, is ultimately irrelevant, you have to work with the environment as it is presented. That can be tough when you are just a bodiless, point of awareness!
You don't have a great many options at hand (much less a hand lol).

Your vision is not physical; you are sensing, so be aware that 'physical' interpretations will likely confuse.

Your intention is the primary mover in any of this.

Like Szaxx said, if your intention fails, try a sense of physically moving upward; this may break the stasis. Then ask or express again.

Very good points made here EscapeV! 

William Buhlman explains it further in this video. The part of his interview that speaks of this state begins at the 8 minute mark and goes for about 5 minutes. Although, the entire interview is very good as well!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZqeXe61EMI

[Lionheart]

 Just to add to this. Last night I used William's technique that he briefly explained near the end of that interview that involved seeing your intent carved in stone and I have to say I was really impressed. I went to sleep at about 4am, woke up about 3 hours later in full SP and promptly had a full vivid and long lived AP.

  William also says he has about 40 different techniques and he changes to a totally new one abut every 5 years or so. I understand that thinking, because it always keeps this practice "fresh". He said the "carved in stone" technique was one of his favorites though.

I did also listen to a Binaural Beat MP3 for about 1/2 hour before I went to bed though. Just enjoying the beautiful music with my eyes closed. It was one of Paul Collier's found in his Youtube playlist. He has 120 songs that you can choose from. These songs are verrrrrrrrrrrrrrry relaxing! 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5ox2GzWnJw&list=PL48627FA5F1896833

My favorites are #85 Defrag the mind #41 Facing the Unknown #42 Taken up in the Sky and #54 Earth.

[Aaron330]

Just to add to this. Last night I used William's technique that he briefly explained near the end of that interview that involved seeing your intent carved in stone and I have to say I was really impressed. I went to sleep at about 4am, woke up about 3 hours later in full SP and promptly had a full vivid and long lived AP.

  William also says he has about 40 different techniques and he changes to a totally new one abut every 5 years or so. I understand that thinking, because it always keeps this practice "fresh". He said the "carved in stone" technique was one of his favorites though.

I did also listen to a Binaural Beat MP3 for about 1/2 hour before I went to bed though. Just enjoying the beautiful music with my eyes closed. It was one of Paul Collier's found in his Youtube playlist. He has 120 songs that you can choose from. These songs are verrrrrrrrrrrrrrry relaxing! 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5ox2GzWnJw&list=PL48627FA5F1896833

My favorites are #85 Defrag the mind #41 Facing the Unknown #42 Taken up in the Sky and #54 Earth.

Ahh, good stuff Lion! I will be testing one of these out right now then as I have a few hours to attempt to AP before work. I will also definitely give that William Buhlman interview a quick listen and try that stone tablet technique as well. I'm always looking for new things to try. Can't hurt!