meditation?

[istop2]

Do someone need to meditate to astral project ?

[kurtykurt42]

If a tree falls in a forest and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound?

[Lord_Dark_Forses]

no <.<!

[Xanth]

You don't "need" to learn to meditate to project.
The question is "Does it help?"

I believe the answer is a resounding yes.

You'll have much more success if you learn to meditate... through meditation we build the foundation for what we learn when we practice projection.
I believe it's a necessity if you're to make any headway into projection. 

Simply put... if you can't quiet and focus your mind towards a single thought or idea for an extended period of time, you WON'T succeed in a conscious projection.  It's really that simple.  You need to train your mind properly first.  It's like trying to run before you've learned to crawl, it just ain't gonna happen.  This is why so many people get so frustrated with Astral Projection... so many people in today's society have the "NOW NOW NOW" attitude.  You have to learn patience and control first.

[ArmyOfOne1911]

^^^^


Just as he said.

[majour ka]

You don't "need" to learn to meditate to project.
The question is "Does it help?"

I believe the answer is a resounding yes.

You'll have much more success if you learn to meditate... through meditation we build the foundation for what we learn when we practice projection.
I believe it's a necessity if you're to make any headway into projection. 

Simply put... if you can't quiet and focus your mind towards a single thought or idea for an extended period of time, you WON'T succeed in a conscious projection.  It's really that simple.  You need to train your mind properly first.  It's like trying to run before you've learned to crawl, it just ain't gonna happen.  This is why so many people get so frustrated with Astral Projection... so many people in today's society have the "NOW NOW NOW" attitude.  You have to learn patience and control first.

Echoe that exactly 

[Ident]

It can be difficult to find the acceptance that things will and can only happen when you are ready for them to be able to happen. As already stated, meditation is a way of training yourself.

If a tree falls in a forest and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound?

If a man, all alone in a forest with no woman to hear him, speaks is he still wrong?

[Lord_Dark_Forses]

maybe <.<!

[rain_88]

Does anyone else think that the Phasing method and the buddhist insight meditation are the same? I can't get rid of this thought...

[loppoppy]

If you've got the patience, I'm guessing you can learn to focus your mind through your AP attempts alone, with no added meditation. But you're talking about quite a fair few amount of failures in that scenario, and probably less clarity in your experiences for a while.

[urshebear]

I want to meditate but I don't know where to start.

Firstly I hate sitting up straight, its just not comfortable.

And secondly I don't understand what I am supposed to think about whilst meditating? or do I try to think of nothing? Is it OK for me to let my mind wander or not?

[Stookie_]

I want to meditate but I don't know where to start.

Firstly I hate sitting up straight, its just not comfortable.

And secondly I don't understand what I am supposed to think about whilst meditating? or do I try to think of nothing? Is it OK for me to let my mind wander or not?

There's a lot of different ways to meditate, but here's one I can suggest. Keep in mind that this is something that takes practice - you have to train you mind over time before it starts feeling "right".

Start off by taking slow deep breaths, just lightly focusing on breathing and relaxing. I sometimes try to emulate the feeling you get when getting a good massage and sink into it. It feels nice and relaxing.

Once you feel nicely relaxed and your heartbeat has slowed down some, keep your mind fairly still and just passively "notice" anything that arises. If you start thinking about something random, like cleaning the kitchen or something, just notice it and let it go, like "OK, I'll clean later" or "that's a strange thought" and go back to your silence. It's OK to notice these things, but you don't want them to steal your awareness from meditation, so try not to put to much thought or feeling into them. Let them rise and then fall.

And that's it. It may sound boring, but as you get good at it and you hone your mind, it will become more pleasurable, you'll enter new states of consciousness, and it will become a source of energy for your daily life as well. And you'll become more intuitive and begin to know where you need to take it from here.

Also, I know you say you don't like sitting up straight, but meditation is all about training yourself. First off, you're training your mind to act in a way it has never done before. It fights the new patterns your trying to place on it and it gets uncomfortable - you might be tempted to say "oh, it's not working" and stop. It takes practice before you mind goes "oh, OK, this is a good thing". It's the same with your body. I'm not saying that you have to sit up, lying down is OK too, but training your body to get through a meditation can be the same fight as with the mind. It feels really good when your able to do something you never imagined yourself doing.

Hope this helps! Good luck.

[urshebear]

Thankyou that helps. Is it ok for me to relax in say a lazy boy? I will try sitting up straight though only because if I lay down I will most likely fall asleep haha

[Stookie_]

Thankyou that helps. Is it ok for me to relax in say a lazy boy? I will try sitting up straight though only because if I lay down I will most likely fall asleep haha

Yeah, a lazy boy would be great. I've been meditating for several years (before I had internet) and thought you had to sit up, so I originally learned that way. I can only sleep on my side, so when I do it laying down in bed, I do it laying on my back and have trained my body to associate being on my side for sleep, and on my back for AP/meditation. It works.

[CFTraveler]

I use a recliner to meditate and AP also.

[Lionheart]

 I do as well. I find my recliner to be a perfect comfortable vehicle for my goals of Phasing. 

[majour ka]

I want to meditate but I don't know where to start.

Firstly I hate sitting up straight, its just not comfortable.

And secondly I don't understand what I am supposed to think about whilst meditating? or do I try to think of nothing? Is it OK for me to let my mind wander or not?

Yes there are many ways to meditate. For me I have mostly had quite a busy mind so I always found it difficult. But nowadays its really easy for me, but until you find one that you like and find easy you will be put off so keep looking for the right one for you that you enjoy too start with. It shouldn't be a chore.
Remember like with all good things it worth persevering and practicing, after all the benefits are endless and can really improve our quality and experience of life and well being, as well as empower us in our spiritual endevours.
The following link is a wonderful and easy yet powerful focus mediation and can also lead to some fantastic experiences. Maybe worth a try. Good luck and keep going

http://www.ananda.org/meditation/support/techniques/hong-sau/

[urshebear]

OK thankyou all, I will remember perseverance is key.