Meeting places in the astral

[holy reality]

that sounded pretty cool

how vivid were the conversations? Can you remember in detail how they went? Because in my dreams I can't converse legitimiately abuot something with someone unless I MYSELF am knowledgable on the subject.

So basically did the things you talked about and they talked about seem like things that your mind could not possibly make up on their own, or were they just various bits and pieces of things you know?

It sounds to me like you were just caught in all the stuff these forums talk about like how most people wouldn't remember making contact with you and various things like that and they were just incorporated into your head.

Plus I mean you said it was almost like they could read your mind, that sounds exactly like a dream, it's like thinking "i hope there isn't a monster in this room" right before you enter it.

Really about the only thing you can do is ask one of them something that you have no knowledge about and see what they say... i.e. ask them for their mother's maiden name, or something like that, if you don't happen to know it.

What seems to work for me is to simply say "tell me the truth, are you a real person or are you a creation of my mind?" then stare at them and try to keep your mind clear...

it's very hard for a fake person to respond if you have no thoughts running through your head, as from my experience everything everyone says and does is based upon little snippets of thoughts that run through your mind on various layers, and plus if you're lucid enough to realize they may be creations of your mind, they might actually willfully acknowladge that to you if you ask them.

I did it last night and the girls head shrunk and semi exploded and I was disappointed but continued trying to communicate and get information nonetheless.

But anyway what matters is how it felt to you, if you can interact with people and they really seem real then that's great, but if you have doubts then they may very well not be.

There isn't much of a way to tell aside from trying to get informatoin from them which you don't know.

and lucid dreams seem to have equal "reality" potential so don't limit yourself to just OBEs to try finding real people.

[wanderer]

I just wanted to share an astral experience I had about a year ago.  I haven't yet read Robert Bruce's books on Astral Projection so I'm not quite familiar with the current terminology but I'll do my best. [^]

I went to bed one night and after sleeping awhile, i awoke and realized that my body was vibrating lightly.  I took this as an opportunity to roll out of my body.  I'm still new at this AP-ing thing even though I had my first experience in the 5th grade, so I have quite a hard time maneuvering my astral body around the room.  But somehow I managed to make it out to the living room of my apartment, which was brightly lit as on a sunny afternoon.  My two roommates were there chatting with a couple other girls who I didn't recognize.  I tried awkwardly moving towards them and flailing my arms trying to grab their attention.  After awhile i realized that they were looking directly at me inquisitively.  Their faces seemed to ask the question, "what the heck is she doing??", probably because I was moving extremely awkwardly like i was first learning how to walk.  []  

When i realized they could see me, i thought to myself disappointedly, oh well, maybe i'm not AP-ing afterall and this is just some dream.  but as soon as that thought occurred to me, one of my roommates said, "No, this is really happening." as if she heard my thoughts.  Another girl said "in fact, we meet like this in the living room often but we don't remember it in the morning."  And they seemed to know that I was fully conscious of this experience, but that they weren't, or weren't going to be when they woke up.  I asked them if other people meet astrally on a regular basis like us and they assured me that they do... duh!  []

And while i pondered this thought, the scenery changed around me and I found myself inside a beautiful castle.  The bricks had a bluish tone and seemed to be illuminated from some unknown source.  (It kind of looked like a castle recreated in Disneyland, but much more real-looking and more beautiful.)  It was opened to the night sky, and the sky was lit with bright stars, also very real-looking.  (whatever that means  [])  And I walked around and noticed there were other, young adults walking around too.  I stopped someone and asked where we were and he said that we were at a meeting-place of sorts where astral travelers can stop by and meet other people for a chat.  

I followed him to the inner parts of the court where there were even more people just sitting around on benches in groups of two or more, chatting light-heartedly.  I joined some of these groups and engaged in conversations about who each of us are in life and what kind of issues we each were currently dealing with.  Some of the faces were vaguely familiar, like I had once known them in elementary school or something but they had grown-up faces.  

Well i was in this castle of sorts, chatting with a few people here and there, and lo and behold, I run into someone I actually know in real-life!  I was so happy to see him, i ran to him and hugged him, telling him that I was AP-ing at the moment, fully conscious.  He seemed equally happy to see me but told me that he knew that he, on the other hand, probably won't remember this experience in real-life.  I was so happy to see him that (and this is really embarrassing) i proceeded to ask him if he would have sexual intercourse with me. [xx(] ??  I don't know why the thought occurred to me at the moment and why i felt no inhibitions to express this to him, but that's what i wanted to do at that moment.  [:I][:I]  But he graciously declined and simply answered me with a "next time."  [B)]

Well, that was my experience of being rejected in the Astral. [|)] But aside from that - i thought it was interesting that there could be astral "meeting places" where fellow astral travelers could stop by and have a social experience with others.  And another point that was interesting was that most of the people I talked to that night - if not all of them - weren't AP-ing fully consciously.  Instead, they all seemed to know that they were not going to be aware of any of this during the waking lives, as though they were used to going about this business of astral travel on a nightly basis without being aware of it while they're awake.  

So what do you think... Was this experience genuine or something my mind made up during an AP?  It sure felt like a genuine OBE to me though.  Especially since I kept waking up out of my OBE and having to try and induce it again and willing myself back to the castle about 5 times.  If it truly was a genuine OBE, i think it's interesting that there might be designated "meeting places" out there for fully conscious and non-conscious (?) astral travelers alike.  []