Advice

[Marchocias]

I post this because i am seeking advice and help if possible, I have had what seems like strange out of body experiences that don't always correlate to the accounts of others who experience astral projection.  I have read several forums and accounts of similar incidents that seem to point to sleep paralysis but from what i understand of the nature of sleep paralysis this answer seems unlikely.  I have sometimes experienced normal out of body experiences and astral projections, wandering through places that i have never been usually at great distances from myself, but i have had three experiences, out of a great many, that are haunting.  The first began some time ago, i went to sleep and was immediately outside of my body, fully aware, and filled with a sense of urgency that i had never experienced on the astral plane.  I flew at a speed unfathomable to the mid west, i am not sure where, to a motel which i entered.  In the room was a woman i had never met before, but i got the sense that she was an old friend who needed help, and she was not herself.  When i say not herself i would like to say possessed, but that may be a poor movie like description that fails to imply the horror of whatever was attacking her.  Without thought i commanded the "creature" to release her, ordered it back to wherever it came from.  This in hindsight was a serious error because it immediately turned on me, there was no fear, no pain, just an overwhelming sense of despair.  Everything i was slowly faded away and i was surrounded by darkness, i could feel whatever it was replacing me, or rather displacing me.  Just when i was almost gone, and i mean no longer present in the astral plane or the physical world i saw the strangest thing appear before me.  A stain glass image of the Virgin Marry in the shape or form of a portrait and i reached out and hugged it to my chest, with this I awoke in my room, which was for lack of a better term trashed.  I would like to say that i am not religious, i believe in God yes, but i cant remember the last time i went to church or did something charitable.  I would have chalked this up to a nightmare if not for two reasons, the creature whatever it was stalked me for days afterwards.  It waited outside my window, just waiting.  The feeling it projected was beyond anything i can describe, perhaps someone inside a shark cage is acquainted with this emotion.  It eventually left, and i let it all go went on with my life.  Some years later it happened again, only this time i was on a bus, in a city i sometimes go when projecting, just riding the bus, and there was a creature within the older woman sitting in the seat behind me.  She didn't know i was there, but it did and it began to manifest, i didn't wait this time but immediately aborted and woke up.  Some time passed then it happened again last night, similar incident i encountered a powerful dark presence hiding in an old house, this time it was in an inanimate object.  It became aware of me, or rather I it, so again i woke myself up.  If anyone has a similar experience or advice that would be helpful, please keep in mind this is not a regular occurrence when i project, but it has happened enough now that i would like some input.

[Bedeekin]

"the only thing we have to fear is fear itself -- nameless, unreasoning, unjustified terror which paralyzes needed efforts to convert retreat into advance."

Roosevelt was so right wasn't he?

You instigated this by unconditionally helping your friend who was being 'attacked' by this entity. The entity was most likely a personification of your own fear of the unknown which after being thwarted in the face of your compassion towards this 'friend' turned inward... back at ya!!!

You are dealing with it though. Be known that it isn't an outside force, well, it is, but a projection of your fear. It can't harm you... just scare you...  because that's the only power it has. It's tried everything hasn't it? Even to the point of residing in an inanimate object in a 'typical' spooky house.

Your competency for compassion has pushed the fear back into the dark recesses of a bad horror movie... you have probably chased it there. You are the one in control. You are the master of your own fear.

This is what I get from your experiences thus far.

[Lionheart]

 Yes to everything Bedeekin said! 

Put your fear back into that inanimate object and never let it free. Visually see it being wrapped with chains that can't be broken. This will reinforce your intent and help you see that it can't scare you anymore.

Many techniques of overcoming things through hypnosis or even walkthroughs use a "black box" per say to lock your fears and negative thoughts away. They do this so you may Astral Travel or succeed with your chosen goal with no worries or distractions.

[Astralzombie]

I have to agree entirely with Beedeekin.

I have never once had a negative entity confront or follow me. And for a long time, that was one of my BIGGEST fears. Considering my background, I not only believed it was possible, I thought it was probable. If anybody should have had this happen, it was me. Now pardon me, while I throw some salt over my left shoulder, spin clockwise ten times starting from a north facing position, spit through my fingers while they form an X, and so forth. Silly, right?

Don't get me wrong. I have been scared plenty of times, even recently, but I do not let my fear become irrational in the moment(says the guy who was let fear hold him back for over 12 years). Whether these negative entities are real or not, they are real to us during our experiences. I promise if you believe they can not harm you then they can't.

[Steel Hawk]

I have had a lot of experience with fear and big bad dark entities whether real or created by my mind. Attacking them or trying to command them never worked for me. The only thing that I found worked 100% was to focus on pure love. To even love the thing you're afraid of. The Virgin Mary thing is interesting to me, you must have been raised catholic and whether or not you still follow that path it is a very powerful thing to have with you. I'll tell you a story of how it's worked for me in the past.

I encountered a shadowy demon like spirit, I was terrified. In the past I had tried attacking it and commanding it, with various energy to martial arts. Shooting energy spheres had some effect in the past more than anything else I had tried, but it was not the way. This time I reverted to the religion of my childhood and imagined myself becoming one with Jesus, who in my mind was a white robed long haired bearded glowing floating adept. All I could feel was love and I turned to the demon and truly loved it, I no longer feared it but actually felt sorry for it in it's pathetic state. It was sad. I continued to focus on love and actually left whatever plane I was on into a place much higher. The rest of the projection was truly joyous.

So what you did was very similar to what I did. Take whatever in your heart is pure and full of love and become one with it, any fear will melt away... Now if I could only get over auditory hallucinations  

edit: btw what I'm talking about is the same thing as "taking a godform" in the old occult knowledge and is very effective.

[Bedeekin]

Let's move forward instead of backwards eh? 

Just to be clear... there is no evil... there are no demons.

[Steel Hawk]

Let's move forward instead of backwards eh?  

Just to be clear... there is no evil... there are no demons.

LOL... I assure you there are. Whether or not they're just thoughtforms in your own mind or external forces I can't say.

You can believe in aliens but not demons... interesting...

[Bedeekin]

lol

I believe in the possibility of aliens because of the way life develops on this planet. I can't dismiss aliens out of hand... I would only 'Believe' they exist if I saw one. At the moment I 'entertain' the idea of aliens.

.. but I have been in the situation many times when confronted with my own fear... and dispelled it with logic rather than magic. So I have had much more experience with this subject than seeing UFOs or aliens.

What nags me isn't yours or others belief in demons or magic... it's when a newbie comes on the forum with notions that they are being 'attacked' or seeing demons and their irrational fear of the unknown is reinforced by a notion that it is an outside force... which will reinforce any belief they have in them which only sets them back.

The simple advice... that to face the fear because it's your own fear works much better than tying a ribbon around a weft of horse hair during a full moon.

Not believing in demons because they don't exist is a hell of a lot more productive than believing in them because you think they exist.

But we are all entitled to our beliefs... as the old saying goes. Yet I feel this doesn't apply when other new people are already scared of an irrational fear of such things.

Does this not make sense?

[Steel Hawk]

Hey I believe in aliens too, the likely hood that other races exist is greater than the alternative. It's just a jump to say they're here. And if you can make that jump why judge... And yeah you're right most of the time it's just in peoples heads.

Like even my example of the 'demon' I encountered -- I believe it was all in my head. I should have made that clear but I didn't.

[Xanth]

LOL... I assure you there are. Whether or not they're just thoughtforms in your own mind or external forces I can't say.

You can believe in aliens but not demons... interesting...

Remember the term "demons" isn't just a label... it's a label that comes OVERLOADED with extra baggage as it's been used throughout the ages. 
This is why I prefer to not use the term "demon".  It means different things to different people.

[Astralzombie]

I completely agree with Xanth that the word demons has way too much baggage. I don't mind the saying about dealing with one's internal demons. As it accurately conveys inner conflict.


Instead of telling them that the being they encountered is real or not, I acknowledge that the fear is real. People who believe in demons in the religious sense are never going to believe they aren't real in their current mindset. So telling them they aren't real just makes them think that your in even greater danger than they are since they at least know they exist.

I think, therefor I am...very apropos in cases like these.

[Steel Hawk]

I actually used the term 'demon like spirit'. What would be a more appropriate way to describe an evil laughing horned black being with hoofs? Would it be more politically correct to say the prior instead of 'demon like'?

[Astralzombie]

I was referring to the fact that when we are in the Astral that our thoughts seem to run away from us and manifest. We think, therefor it happens...

I actually used the term 'demon like spirit'. What would be a more appropriate way to describe an evil laughing horned black being with hoofs? Would it be more politically correct to say the prior instead of 'demon like'?

IDK, a mean goat with bronchitis?    Like, I said my post was not directed at you. I believe "demon like spirit" clearly conveys what you intended it to.

[Xanth]

I actually used the term 'demon like spirit'. What would be a more appropriate way to describe an evil laughing horned black being with hoofs? Would it be more politically correct to say the prior instead of 'demon like'?

I've learned to try to be very choosy with the words I use, because of such confusion occurring. 

hehe

[AstralCody]

"the only thing we have to fear is fear itself -- nameless, unreasoning, unjustified terror which paralyzes needed efforts to convert retreat into advance."

Roosevelt was so right wasn't he?

You instigated this by unconditionally helping your friend who was being 'attacked' by this entity. The entity was most likely a personification of your own fear of the unknown which after being thwarted in the face of your compassion towards this 'friend' turned inward... back at ya!!!

You are dealing with it though. Be known that it isn't an outside force, well, it is, but a projection of your fear. It can't harm you... just scare you...  because that's the only power it has. It's tried everything hasn't it? Even to the point of residing in an inanimate object in a 'typical' spooky house.

Your competency for compassion has pushed the fear back into the dark recesses of a bad horror movie... you have probably chased it there. You are the one in control. You are the master of your own fear.

This is what I get from your experiences thus far.

I was going to reply to this thread but this pretty much summed it up. =D