I projected this morning!!

[newmethod]

Hi newmethod - have you considered the possibility that the 'extraordinary' experiences were more than dreams?

From my experience so far i would term most of them dreams.. some lucid (to various degrees) some NOT lucid but still extraordinary.. I would estimate i've had about 60-80 LUCID dreams over the past 9 yrs or so (put some effort into it every now and then) though I have had two or three (insert description) that seemed a little different & a bit weird though.... I have never thought of them as projections but they seemed a little 'stranger' than a dream. In one i thought my (for lack of a better term) 'astral body' may have been abducted while i was sleeping (it felt like a dream with a strange 'cut' in the middle - like something had been edited out, some piece in the middle - and not very well - you could see it had been edited  what happened there i do not know .. though i still don't have enough evidence to call this and the other couple anything else other than lucid dreams..

It will be interesting to experience a conscious OBE from the waking state (where i remember the exit) to see if it feels different than what i term a lucid dream...

Not sure why you listed the ASC phenomenon for us... but..

Thank you for the thread 

Oh! and nice experience whether it was a dream or a projection,

Newmethod

[Venus_Goddess_of_Love]

Not sure why you listed the ASC phenomenon for us... but..

Thank you.  I listed the ASC phenomenon so you could consider whether your experiences were dreams, or say, remote viewing or clairvoyance, for example.  From my understanding most people do remote viewing especially when trying to project.  In remote viewing your mind opens up to the astral and you can experience it as an observer (which is just as magnificent), or to some place else on this planet, while your astral body is still in the physical.  Just some options for you to look at.

best wishes
Venus

[Stookie]

Well noted.

Obviously, consciousness isn't confined to physical space or a body. It only makes sense that shifting awareness within consciousness isn't limited to "traveling".

[Venus_Goddess_of_Love]

Thanks Stookie!

[Venus_Goddess_of_Love]

Venus
Your experience certainly seems like an OBE to me.
Plus you started your account with the words
That always annoys me when I post an account of one of my OBEs and someones else responds with (something like) "You were probably only dreaming" .
Yet you handled those Doubting Thomases quite well. Don't let others doubts shake your own confidence. You are able to discern the difference between an OBE and a dream. So just keep rolling along (and you do appear to be on a good roll OBE-wise).

btw that familiar person that you met in the college could have been your friend who was also out of body yet did not realize it. She might have been confusing her own OBE with dream imagery. According to other OBE accounts that I have read that sort of thing does happen frequently.

Grey

Hi Grey, following your comment above and having had to deal with even more "doubting Thomas's" since then, I've been thinking ... and have now come to a conclusion that most people on Astral Pulse are really not that different from anyone else out there.  I had really thought that members and visitors on this site have a different way of thinking, that they are more open to infinite possiblities in an infinite universe, that they have come to a point in their lives that there is more to physical life, and more to the 'normal' and 'ordinary' things we have been conditioned to believe such as dreams.  But sadly there is as much skepticism here in Astral Pulse as there is in the scientific community.  I don't think I'll post any more projections or near-projections as that's an invitation for further attacks.  Ah well.

Thanks for your support anyways.

Venus

[newmethod]

I don't think I'll post any more projections or near-projections as that's an invitation for further attacks.  Ah well.

Thanks for your support anyways.

Venus

Thats a pity.. and as someone who questioned your experience earlier in the thread can i say "sorry"

This thread has further opened my eyes to the intimate link between Dreams and OBE's...plus as the thread progressed i found it more and more interesting... the direction it took was possibly not what you originally imagined but it was helpful for me none the less...

I hope to see you posting here in the future,
Thank you,

Newmethod

[Venus_Goddess_of_Love]

Thats a pity.. and as someone who questioned your experience earlier in the thread can i say "sorry"

This thread has further opened my eyes to the intimate link between Dreams and OBE's...plus as the thread progressed i found it more and more interesting... the direction it took was possibly not what you originally imagined but it was helpful for me none the less...

I hope to see you posting here in the future,
Thank you,

Newmethod

Thanks Newmethod, and apology accepted.  Just so you know my last note was not meant to make anyone feel guilty.  I just wanted to express my frustration that after posting my experiences I almost always find myself having to justify myself and deal with unpleasant comments. 

But I'm glad to hear you got something out of this thread!

with best wishes
Venus

[newmethod]

But I'm glad to hear you got something out of this thread!

Thanks i did..

I just wanted to express my frustration that after posting my experiences I almost always find myself having to justify myself and deal with unpleasant comments. 

I just saw this.. maybe you are beyond this level but thought I'd share.... maybe you feeling this way about these experiences is:

1. Partly behind why they're happening (not meant to offend) and
2. A good way for you to further understand the OBE experiences for yourself (the goodness within theses experiences...)..

NOTE: looks like either way, through the good of it or the bad of it, the goodness (2. above) will still be reached. Both will take you back inside for the answers you seek...

Best wishes,

Newmethod

[Venus_Goddess_of_Love]

That's another way of looking at it.  I'll think about it. Thanks newmethod. 

[Greytraveller]

Venus
I used to get agitated or upset when people questioned the validity of my OBEs via forum posts. Now I don't care too much. There are a relatively few AstralPulse members whose opinions I truly value. As you might expect those are the people who have been members here for years, have repeatedly posted their own OBEs here and who regularly contribute to the various forum threads. (btw I do value your opinion as well).
It is annoying when people criticize an OBE as 'only a dream' but there is no need to get irritated. Over the years I have learned to shed those comments off as a duck shakes off water. Over time you will most probably feel the same way also.
Please continue to posts your OBEs here. You will probably find that the positive comments and insights offered here easily outweigh the negative posts of the critics.

Grey

[Old Dood]

Venus
I used to get agitated or upset when people questioned the validity of my OBEs via forum posts. Now I don't care too much. There are a relatively few AstralPulse members whose opinions I truly value. As you might expect those are the people who have been members here for years, have repeatedly posted their own OBEs here and who regularly contribute to the various forum threads. (btw I do value your opinion as well).
It is annoying when people criticize an OBE as 'only a dream' but there is no need to get irritated. Over the years I have learned to shed those comments off as a duck shakes off water. Over time you will most probably feel the same way also.
Please continue to posts your OBEs here. You will probably find that the positive comments and insights offered here easily outweigh the negative posts of the critics.

Grey

Excellent Post there Grey!
People that do not KNOW about having an OBE used to irritate me as well.
I just look at them anymore and say: "Once you have had one then you will KNOW..."
It is so life altering that nothing can change my mind on what it is or is not.
I can tell a dream from an OBE now. I dream very heavily. Especially recently.
My problem over the last few months is I have not had a projection/OBE. I do not know why.
Unless it is simply stress.  I just might be.

So I do not care if someone wants to poke a stick at me anymore. I believe more people will have more and more 'events'.
Either it is Lucid Dreaming, OBEs, whatever as time marches on now.
Something is hitting the fan. 

[Venus_Goddess_of_Love]

Venus
I used to get agitated or upset when people questioned the validity of my OBEs via forum posts. Now I don't care too much. There are a relatively few AstralPulse members whose opinions I truly value. As you might expect those are the people who have been members here for years, have repeatedly posted their own OBEs here and who regularly contribute to the various forum threads. (btw I do value your opinion as well).
It is annoying when people criticize an OBE as 'only a dream' but there is no need to get irritated. Over the years I have learned to shed those comments off as a duck shakes off water. Over time you will most probably feel the same way also.
Please continue to posts your OBEs here. You will probably find that the positive comments and insights offered here easily outweigh the negative posts of the critics.

Grey

Grey, thanks for your wise and encouraging words.  Much appreciated.  I also value your opinion - and I mean that.



Venus

[Stookie]

And keep in mind that for every negative post, there are probably 100 lurkers who read your experience and learn from it. When I answer a single person's question, I do so in mind that I'm making a record for lurkers, non-posters, and other people in the future looking for the answer. Even if the person asking doesn't like the answer, there are a lot of others that it might help.

Also, I don't care if it's "just" a lucid dream, because to me, those are friggin awesome too! It never gets any less amazing to me.

[IceCold_K82]

Stookie is absolutely right.  Because I tend to lurk   

For me though, I try to find my answers in other posts before I start asking a question people here have heard a thousand times.

I have learned a bit from this great debate going on.  And trust me, it read like a debate and not a "flaming" arguement.  This is the first true debate I think I have seen on forums before!!! 

[Greytraveller]

Dood  !
What's up. Long time since we've communicated. It's good to see you posting here.

I too strongly agree with Stookie.
I sometimes 'lurk' on other websites where I am not a member (like Astral Dynamics and MysticWeb. Many lurkers don't post because of a fear of being flamed or ridiculed.
So I sometimes add an extra thought or idea to one of my posts thinking that non-members will see it and may, perhaps, be positively influenced. By that I mean that 'lurkers' will realize that OBEs are a real, objective event that can happen for them also.

Grey

[Old Dood]

Dood  !
What's up. Long time since we've communicated. It's good to see you posting here.

I too strongly agree with Stookie.
I sometimes 'lurk' on other websites where I am not a member (like Astral Dynamics and MysticWeb. Many lurkers don't post because of a fear of being flamed or ridiculed.
So I sometimes add an extra thought or idea to one of my posts thinking that non-members will see it and may, perhaps, be positively influenced. By that I mean that 'lurkers' will realize that OBEs are a real, objective event that can happen for them also.

Grey

Hello Grey! 
Good to see you as well.  I have been lurking around once in a while here.
Mostly I have been busy on the Open Minds Forum.  I believe I shared that with you before hand.

There are a few people there that are very well versed in many things Meta-Physical/Spiritual.
We are a smaller forum but, we like it that way.
I have had the pleasure of meeting and communicating with the Owners/Admins of that forum.
I have come to the FIRM belief that in order to figure out some answers (and many questions too  ) that using skills such as Astral Projection or RVing is in order.
People a lot of the times are always DEMANDING some kind of 'proof'.  Either scientific or otherwise. 
If we can get over ourselves a bit and work more together I believe we can attain some of these answers.
Especially with subjects such as UFOs, Off World Life forms, Afterlife, Reincarnation, etc. To me it is a perfect 'tool' for us to explore.
It may not have the 'proof' that people demand but, where is the 'Proof' that there is a God for example?
Many people believe that without question.  All based on some old ancient texts. 

EVERYthing to me is spiritual now.  EVERYthing and EVERYbody is connected in some way shape or form.
When we 'project' or have an OBE we are just crossing into dimensions that other beings already live in.
Since we are on Earth we will 'see' more human Like beings within the astral realms.
That does not mean there are no other beings residing in these realms.
Some of these beings use technology to travel within other dimensions. Some simply use thought. (Astral Planes is a dimension...I believe the 4th Dimension)
Not everything or every being is 'equal' in this regard. There are many, many different races of beings living in and around us.
They all have their own agendas and plans.  Some are STS (Service to Self) and some are STO (Service to Others).
Same applies for humans here too. It is easy for me to see that you are a STO person.
I believe there are beings in the 4th, 5th, 6th and on up dimensions living and working around us.
They are not GODs.  Some can pretent to be or seem to be a 'god' to one of us.  I am pretty sure many of these beings used to play god in our past.

Anyways, without going too far off topic I will end there. There is so much we do not understand yet.  I am no expert nor will I pretend to be one.
However, after meeting some pretty darn interesting people over the last 4 years I have come to know that this world is not what it seems to be.
In other words, This is NOT the Big Show living in the 3D on Earth.

[Greytraveller]

Dood
I very much like your attitude and also value your opinion. An open minded interest in metaphysical and spiritual matters can lead to hidden doors opening at unexpected times and in unexpected places and usually with unexpected postive consequences.

Regarding the Open Minds Forum. Unfortunately I have been as yet unable to devote sufficient time to post there yet hope to do so in the near future.

Grey

[Old Dood]

Thank you Grey.  Like wise!
I recently purchased some crystals.
It was suggested to me to get 4 specific ones for healing & protection.

They are:

Green Aventurine: It seals your auric field, preventing energy leaks

Citrine: It helps against attacks, but mainly prevents your energy from becoming stagnant (stagnant energy results in feeling lethargic)

Blue Kyanite: It bounces off negative energy

Selenite: It undoes external subconscious negative programming (which can be as simple as subconsciously picking up other people's negative thinking patterns, but can go as far as blocking mind control suggestions)

The last one I have in all four corners of my bedroom now.  I had a very odd encounter last year.  I did not think much of it until I learned more about such things.
I think of it as my 'Shields'.  Yes, like Star Trek hehe! 

I have to admit I feel a lot more 'energized' then before.  Not the need for NAPS as I use to feel a lot of the time. I thought neededing NAPS was an Old Dood kind of thing. 

EDIT: I understand the time thing on getting to other forums.  I have the same 'problem' myself.  In fact I simply dropped most of the frivolous forums I use to go to.
So, No Rush.  Take yer time!  Just hurry up about it. haha!  <Kiddin'>

[newmethod]

All based on some old ancient texts. 

Funny they all have similarities...

EVERYthing to me is spiritual now.  EVERYthing and EVERYbody is connected in some way shape or form.
When we 'project' or have an OBE we are just crossing into dimensions that other beings already live in.
Since we are on Earth we will 'see' more human Like beings within the astral realms.
That does not mean there are no other beings residing in these realms.
Some of these beings use technology to travel within other dimensions. Some simply use thought. (Astral Planes is a dimension...I believe the 4th Dimension)
Not everything or every being is 'equal' in this regard. There are many, many different races of beings living in and around us.
They all have their own agendas and plans.  Some are STS (Service to Self) and some are STO (Service to Others).
Same applies for humans here too. It is easy for me to see that you are a STO person.
I believe there are beings in the 4th, 5th, 6th and on up dimensions living and working around us.
They are not GODs.  Some can pretent to be or seem to be a 'god' to one of us.  I am pretty sure many of these beings used to play god in our past.

Anyways, without going too far off topic I will end there. There is so much we do not understand yet.  I am no expert nor will I pretend to be one.
However, after meeting some pretty darn interesting people over the last 4 years I have come to know that this world is not what it seems to be.
In other words, This is NOT the Big Show living in the 3D on Earth.