My friend was telling me about his OBE experience as he was walking down a road many years ago after work. He said he suddenly became aware that 'he' was outside his body watching himself walking. He said that's when he realised he had a bald spot. LOL He watched himself walking and standing at a bus stop and getting on the bus. He said he felt the 'outside' him was the real him. And that there was nothing different about the road or bus and that everything looked as it should. Has anyone experienced anything like this and how does it fit into Kepple's system?
Yes, and don't know.
Quote from: CFTraveler on December 01, 2010, 18:08:17
Yes, and don't know.
Have you had such an experience? Your reply was very short and offers no further understanding.
I've had a similar experience, and I have no idea what 'area of consciousness' it would be in.
I'll see if I can find the first time I wrote about it and I'll link it.
I would say that fit into R Bruce's mind-split scenario.
Quote from: Pauli2 on December 01, 2010, 21:08:26
I would say that fit into R Bruce's mind-split scenario.
So kepple has no angle on this? Would you say he is wrong about his theory? I thought it was accepted he was correct? I don't understand. :\
Quote from: Taoistguy on December 01, 2010, 21:11:04
So kepple has no angle on this? Would you say he is wrong about his theory? I thought it was accepted he was correct? I don't understand. :\
Oh he definitely does!
Frank never viewed the Mind Split as being real, as consciousness can't be "split"... he surmised that consciousness exists along the entire consciousness continuum all simultaneously.
Hence, it's quite possible to be receiving information from one or more focuses at any specific time. :)
He called a Focus Overlay.
I hate to nitpick, but if you read both theories they are the same with different names.
When people begin to project, they get two inputs (focus overlay, if you will) but they are not processed at the same time by the brain. Usually the experiencer has these mini-strobing sequential events that are perceived as flashes that go back and forth. So the mind may not be split, but the experience is. Anyone who has had this happen knows about this.
When you get more used to multiple input, then you have experiences like bilocation, etc. Then you get either scenarios with mixed visuals from both scenes, or experiences with body senses overlaid.
They can be explained with different words, but the experiences are the same, and none is 'righter' than the other.
if time is "non-existent" in the astral, you could have one experience (the body), then shift back in time and have the other experience (the separated awareness) and meet at the end with both sets of memories. that would be cool.
Wowzers, I never heard of this before :|
is it possible to astral project, come back to your body to recall everything, and then leave again directly after? as in have 3-4 experiences in lets say an hour?
Quote from: NickisDank on December 03, 2010, 04:44:14
is it possible to astral project, come back to your body to recall everything, and then leave again directly after? as in have 3-4 experiences in lets say an hour?
Yes, but it would take a lot of practising to get it right. I don't see why you couldn't just remember it all after all after the entire experience though.
I thought it could be an overlay. What I don't get, is why did Kepple see the who;e spectrum as a continous thing, yet still split it into 4 areas?
Quote from: Taoistguy on December 03, 2010, 08:02:43
I thought it could be an overlay. What I don't get, is why did Kepple see the who;e spectrum as a continous thing, yet still split it into 4 areas?
It is a spectrum... but don't think of it as "split" into four areas.
There are no dividing lines or borders between the Focuses.
The differences between them is your mental focus.
Quote from: Xanth on December 03, 2010, 09:04:28
It is a spectrum... but don't think of it as "split" into four areas.
There are no dividing lines or borders between the Focuses.
There could be more possibilities here. The Monroe Focuses seem to be pretty specific, which indicates that you "
drop" into certain states along the Interstate of continuum. Take for example F 12 and F 15. Usually you end up in either F 12 or F 15. There seem to be little area in between.
I think the Focus Levels can be seen as valleys. If you try to stand between two valleys and make any movement, you will eventually slip down the mountains and end up in one valley or the other.
Well that makes more sense now. Think I was placing too much emphasis on the geography of the 4 Focuses.
Quote from: Pauli2 on December 03, 2010, 17:17:19
There could be more possibilities here. The Monroe Focuses seem to be pretty specific, which indicates that you "drop" into certain states along the Interstate of continuum. Take for example F 12 and F 15. Usually you end up in either F 12 or F 15. There seem to be little area in between.
I think the Focus Levels can be seen as valleys. If you try to stand between two valleys and make any movement, you will eventually slip down the mountains and end up in one valley or the other.
Not at all... even calling them "areas" is a mistake... they're not areas, they're not places, they have no borders... they're mental focuses. They all intermingle.
You're in the RIGHT NOW, you just don't have your focus turned towards them.
Quote from: Taoistguy on December 03, 2010, 17:31:15
Well that makes more sense now. Think I was placing too much emphasis on the geography of the 4 Focuses.
There is no geography. :)
Quote from: Xanth on December 03, 2010, 17:48:46
There is no geography. :)
Bad wording on my part; I meant mental mindmap.
Quote from: Xanth on December 03, 2010, 17:48:46
There is no geography. :)
There may be a lot of geography, just not of the ordinary 3-D type. :)
I don't believe in the everything-is-gathered-in-one-point theory.
Remember, Monroe talks about the rings around Earth in his second book. These rings may or may not be of the 3-D kind, but the outermost rings seem farther away from the M-band noise than the innermost rings.
Quote from: Pauli2 on December 03, 2010, 18:41:31
There may be a lot of geography, just not of the ordinary 3-D type. :)
3D denotes space... space denotes time (because the two can't exist without eachother).
Neither of these concepts exist in the non-physical.
Monroe even pointed this out himself... Focus 15, he labels as the border of TIME and SPACE.
Frank, I believe, seemed to think that time took a curve out at around Focus 12 though. I think.
QuoteI don't believe in the everything-is-gathered-in-one-point theory.
For lack of a better term, I do... and really, as per Monroe, so does he.
QuoteRemember, Monroe talks about the rings around Earth in his second book. These rings may or may not be of the 3-D kind, but the outermost rings seem farther away from the M-band noise than the innermost rings.
All of which are consist of Monroe's way of defining these things personally.
They're not to be taken literally. There is no "further" or "closer" in an area where space doesn't exist.
Quote from: Xanth on December 03, 2010, 18:46:24
Quote from: Pauli2 on December 03, 2010, 18:41:31
I don't believe in the everything-is-gathered-in-one-point theory.
For lack of a better term, I do... and really, as per Monroe, so does he.
Do you have a Monroe quote to back that up, because I don't think he ever said that.
Quote from: Xanth on December 03, 2010, 18:46:24
space denotes time (because the two can't exist without eachother).
Neither of these concepts exist in the non-physical.
I'm not sure you even are putting forward an opinion now, I just think you are guessing wildly. :)
I can see a universe with space, but without no time, I don't think there is any impossibility there
Time is defined as change. If you can have time without physical space, that is too far fetched for any of us to prove. We don't really talk about opinions in this area, I think we are only making guesses.
Besides, there is some kind of change in the non-physical, I just think it is very hard to put into a strict definition in terms of change. If I get to talk to a guide, I will have to ask my guide about this change-un-measureable-time.
We've been through this before Pauli. :)
Forget what I said for now. You have enough opinions from other people wafting around in your head as it is right now.
As I've suggested to you before, Pauli, try to have your own experiences and analyze those. For the time being... stop over-analyzing other peoples experiences.
time is litrully once around the sun so an environment without a sun is without time
however resonance is the change from posative and negative and back
so if resonance is change and change is time then yes it exists everywhere
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Quote from: NickisDank on December 03, 2010, 04:44:14
is it possible to astral project, come back to your body to recall everything, and then leave again directly after? as in have 3-4 experiences in lets say an hour?
I don't know about the frequency, but I had several within the night last night. Total recall on all.