The Astral Pulse

Hi everyone, from Spain here.

I've been reading this site for a couple of months now, and have been trying to archieve an OBE ever since I discovered it. First times I was just attemping, to see how it goes ( I haver never tried any sort of meditation, or anything like that). I almost instantly got the falling sensation as if I was falling down, and spinning at the same time. It amazed me, of course I got too excited and my body got a little tense, since those sensations were new to me.

I can't say I have archieved one. But I think I'm getting pretty close.

I want to ask a couple of things though; Every time I try it, I get the feeling as if my body is far far away from me, below my own self. I also got the heart chakras racing madness. The problem is that I get too excited when this things occurr (Excuse my english). I know is a matter of patience, and patience is a thing I have (eaven though I'm 22, and I'm pretty mentally active).

I have found some answeres to this nervous feeling I get any time I feel those weird but pleasant sensations, one of them is to do regular energy work to stabilize my Energy Body. It has helped me so far, eaven last night, I was doing some energy work, and I started to feel that "getting farther away from my body", I managed to stay calmed and keep up with the energy work. After that, I started to feel as If my head was really turning red (as If you do some heavy heavy strength exercises). That sensation came down to my shoulders as well, and chest. I can't say it was surely vibrations, since I never had those, but I surely felt something powerful there). Again, I got excited and everything stoped.

Just wanted to tell here my experiences, ad see if anyone else have been in my state before, or is at the moment.

Appart from that, thank you to everyone for keeping this place as it is. So much great information here, and pretty nice people. All I can say is that my biggest goal in life right now, is to get as much knowledge as possible I can  before I leave this place. I take this life as an opportunity to learn, feel, and share.

Thank you everyone, and enjoy this big travel called life :)



P.D.   Also I want to add, that I'm not alone in this. Three of my closest friends are moving towards getting out of body. We share experiences, thoughts, and information. I can surely tell you human kind will fully awake, no longer this material world can fill our lifes. I'm sure we all have learned enough in our past living experiences. I get the feeling that important things will happen to us in this life, in this period of time. We are all together in it, we are all walking towards the same path.

Buenas Anonymouse, 

Just replying to give you a shout also from Spain :) Where in Spain are you? I'm one of those horrible English people on the Costa Del Sol near Gibraltar :)

Its small steps each time.. The first time I felt the woosh feeling going into a projection. It was exciting, and my excitement brought me out of it.   I'm still very very novice at this as well.

Hello to costa del sol ;). I'm from Madrid actually. Weather is sweet ins't it??.

Thanks for the response, will surely stick around here more often.

Good deal. You are doing great! Bravo.  :-)

What you doing is directly on track with what you should. Congrats to you and your friends. This is a tough road to walk and maintain your sanity in this day and age.

I think you are ready for an OBE.

You need the night attempts to get the 'body far below you feeling', it should almost be like someone threw a large blanket on your body and it feels like it is being pushed down by that 'softness'. Alongside this sensation, comes the feeling of vastness and then hyperventilation/energy problems start to arise. This is what happens when you get to a mature F12. What you have been getting stopped at is the very common place. The 'heart chakra' is the 4th Chakra and if you could imagine the eye of a storm, the winds get faster as you come to the eye. It takes mastery to break through this. Don't pressure yourself or beat yourself up, you need a little help for your first time exit.

Once you are comfortable getting to this F12 stage and pretty confident you can get there if you tried, give a drowsy exit a shot. Remember it's the pleasant 'screw this I am going back to bed for another hour' feeling you are waiting for. Then just try to get to an F12 state. This is where all that practice come in. Don't try and project, just focus on the visualizations. Whatever happens, projection or not, the experience will be vivid and amazing. You will learn a great deal by doing this.

Best to you and your friends on your travels.

Cheers,
Contenteo

Thank you for that response Centeneo. I will try that method, I've read about it actually, and was going to give it a host some time soon. Tomorrow morning will be the day.

Also, wanted to say, at some point at night (today) I have dreamed as if I were sleeping at my friends house, and I was trying to have an OBE. But I remember I couldn't manage to do it (I was too tired in that dream) and suddenly I woke up at my home, in my bed. It was 6 in the morning ( I went to sleep late yesterday). I looked out the window, saw it was night out there, and actually thought I've slept  more than 16 hours ( I wasn't feeling tired eaten though I've only slept for 3 hours).

About the visualizations, I lately have been day dreaming while I'm on that state. And it helps, since I get to that F12 state pretty fast. The problem is still being to control my self, since when I get fully there (I have heard some things, as known people screaming at me, and once saw a meteorite (not sure that is how you call them)Coming across to me. Again this was daydreaming, I haven't see those things in my room, I was imagine them, but very very clear, and fully conscious. So I'll stick to that.

Also, I never beat my self up about getting those energy problems. I actually end up laughing at my self. Mainly because I see everything about this is really there. It's not in someone's imagination. I wouldn't get excited if I were only "imagining" feelings.

Thank you for the advices ;).

Cheers!

Good luck!

Well, these days I've been trying to wake up earlier, and it seems that my body does it by itself. I usually get up 1 hour earlier the alarm goes off.

Yesterday I woke up two times in the middle of the night. I woke up, drunk some water, and laid down to relax. Soon enough the "the hell with it, I'm going to sleep!!" kicked in. I let it surround me, and stay focus with my mind. I felt many many strange but awsome things.

I decided to just relax my mind, and enjoy the relaxation. I felt the lift up pretty soon, a couple of times. After a little while, I asked for help to pull out of my body, I wanted to see, know my self, know everything around me, and help as much as I could. It's weird because I wasn't thinking it per se, there weren't words in my mind, just feels.   After a little while (1 minute or so) I felt as if a big big spinning wheel (horizontal) full with lights, took me up.  It was a great great feeling, so I just let it took me up.

After a while though, I felt some strange strange feelings, bad feelings. As if someone was in the room with me, and I started to see images I didn't like. I focused, and said to my self (get the hell out of my room), still, the feeling didn't get away. So I concentrate on my chest, and focused all my energy in there, once It started to feel full I imagine as if an explosion of white light came out of my chest and surrounded my entire house, and everything around me. Those feelings went away, it was a pretty cool sensation.

I then thought, that those bad feelings were probably just my mind playing tricks. I thought of every movie, every little "excrement" (hehe nice alternative to what I wrote :D)  I've read in my life, and realized it all came from there. I said to my self not to let my mind do that again.

After that, just for fun, I imagined a white being pulling me up, holding my hand. Soon enough I started to get away from my body again. But not for long, I was way too tired (I woke up at 7 am, it was 8;30), so I just let my self go back to my body and fall asleep.


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Hey!.

Tried again this afternoon, before and after a nap. I can tell I have made great progress already .

Today I decided to do the method of a fellow poster here, Cosmic.iron. I have tried the cycles he mention right before sleeping. And quickly started to feel those familiar and pleasant sensations (I still have a little "tingle" (sorry for my english) in my arms and center of the chest).

After doing those cycles, I went to sleep (eaven though I wasn't tired at all). The thing, is that I though I haven't sletp. But I dreamed for a very short while that I covered my self with a blanket. It's a shame I wasn't lucid enough to notice I was dreaming it!!! Cause I could have start doing any of the phase methods right there :roll:.

I woke up minutes later, and realized I dreamed about covering my self (since I wasn't covered). I decided to just stay in that position a little while, and enjoy my self. I started to hear a "zzzzmmm" in my right hear, and for some reason I thought it was a mosquito! so I found my self trying to get it away from my ear... seconds later I realized it wasn't a mosquito.

One thing that never happened to me before, is feeling those sensations after any of my sesions, but right now, I'm still there. My legs, armas are very light, and seems like my chest is having a little party inside. Also I was very calmed today, and I'm still calmed. Eaven during any of the feelings.

See you around

Awesome!

A brilliant experience. Great work. That first one my friend sounds like a full fledged drowsy exit F18 experience. F21 come when you finally bounce around the environment. The person in the room with yourself is you. Yeah, I'll repeat. It's you. The self is a resonant entity of sorts. It's your brain activity, viewed from a different angle. Feels weird at first. But trust me, becoming familiar with this and digging deep into it will give you the autonomy to travel and do what you want with ease.

Remember the rules now:
Intent is King
Emotions and thoughts instantly manifest. 

Over time you'll get used to the person in the room with you. In fact, understanding will make you a better person all around. You'll become hyper observant of the world and beings around you.

Here's a good example to help you relate: You feel like someone is watching you. You hair goes up. You get goosebumps.  You become very aware. At the point you are focusing back on you mind. Bingo. Same feeling.

In this scenario you slip into your right brain, the parallel processor, to crush all the data streaming from the left, the serial processor. Here, you notice the information streaming from the left brain, personified as another entity, simply because you are removing "yourself" from the situation in order to see more.

You are doing great, keep us posted.


Cheers,
Contenteo

P.S. 

QuoteIt's weird because I wasn't thinking it per se, there weren't words in my mind, just feels.

You just know, what is going on. It's downloaded right into your psyche. This is a main method in which communication occurs throughout the "astral planes."

Quote from: Contenteo on April 04, 2012, 05:03:45
Emotions and thoughts instantly manifest. 

I am pretty sure this isn't really true.
I have been in lots of OBEs where thoughts did not manifest at all and others when the thought manifested as a delayed action.

One LD I was thinking this is my dream so I can do whatever I want. I walked over to a guy sitting at a table working on a laptop. I said, "I can make you disappear" and then I thought, "wait... that's no good, then he won't be here to see what I did". I looked down and saw a ping pong paddle and I picked it up and said, "Watch, I will make this disappear" and I waved my hand over it abracadabra style but nothing happened. I thought "Huh!" and I put down on the table and asked myself, "why didn't it disappear? and then I looked down again and it was gone.

Well, one way or another, the thing actually disappeared. Maybe not instantly though.

Still, thoughts/emotions do manifest pretty quickly as they come. We can all agree about that. I think it depends on the complex of the though/emotion itself, and how you were thinking before that.

IF you are fill with anger, you realize it, and consequently try to think in a positive/loving way; that anger wont fade away instantly, and you wont irradiate happiness right after you thought about it. It takes some time but it will happen eventually.

Guessing from it, there are different levels of thoughts/emotions, consequently; different timing for those two to manifest.

I was specifically talking about thoughts because I have experimented with emotion and I can manifest "ecstasy" of a sort at will and it is instantaneous.

But many types of thoughts do not manifest at all half the time for me. Two "personal servants" were introduced to me several years ago in an OBE and I have called upon them several times and they have not ever shown up. Most of the time when I think about the Akashic Records they do not "immediately" manifest.

Lots of thoughts do not manifest at all.

Well, for me what you are describing aren't really thoughts, but desires or things you will to happen. I think there is a difference between, a thought and a desire. Based on my experience of course

Quote from: Anonymouse on April 04, 2012, 21:19:32
Well, for me what you are describing aren't really thoughts, but desires or things you will to happen. I think there is a difference between, a thought and a desire. Based on my experience of course

That's the point I was just about to make.  lol

"Thoughts" are one thing... "Intent" is another altogether.

That saying should probably be "Emotions and Thoughts through INTENT instantly manifest."
At least, from my experience, that's how it is.

Quote from: Xanth on April 04, 2012, 22:30:23
That saying should probably be "Emotions and Thoughts through INTENT instantly manifest."
At least, from my experience, that's how it is.

Even with that edit/rephrase it still isn't true.

Lots of people Think the Thought and formulate intent to go somewhere like the Akashic Records for example, but they do not go there. Many people can't go through closed doors or walls, despite thought and intent to do so.

Be careful on definitions here. Remember we are dealing with a completely intangible realm.

Manifesting is that act of becoming palpable.

Remember that your entire astral experience is 'thought energy.'
We are intangible beings having a physical experience, not physical beings having an intangible experience."
- Thomas Campbell

Your emotions and intents are as palpable as the air you feel around you right now.
Or better yet, the body you can touch right now.

You make 'change' with your body through intent, it is simply constrained by the physical. Such a constraint does not exist in the astral. The constraint is now rather Intent itself.
Xanth made a brilliant amendment to add additional clarity, but intent is not necessary, such as in the case of a nightmare. Your thoughts and emotions become your body.

This is why in a F21 experience (a experience that happens within you) is wholly what you make it. This F21 state becomes you astral body when you enter higher levels. Thus the rules change slightly.


Cheers,
Contenteo

P.S.  This explains why things like lying, cheating, and deception are not possible in the astral, but that's for another thread.

Quote from: Contenteo on April 04, 2012, 23:30:46
Xanth made a brilliant amendment to add additional clarity, but intent is not necessary, ...

:lol: :-P  "Brilliant" as long as you invalidate the only significant addition he introduced?!

QuoteP.S.  This explains why things like lying, cheating, and deception are not possible in the astral, but that's for another thread.

This is not true either. Not even a little bit. The Astral plane is a realm of nearly pure illusion. The BST alone are a clear demonstration of that. Complete deception and communal self delusion.
If you accept the notion that the astral is a precursor to the physical then all lying, cheating, and deception, etc. must exist in firm etheric reality before it coalesces here.

Quote from: Rudolph on April 05, 2012, 12:53:45

Quote from: Contenteo on April 04, 2012, 23:30:46
P.S.  This explains why things like lying, cheating, and deception are not possible in the astral, but that's for another thread.

This is not true either. Not even a little bit. The Astral plane is a realm of nearly pure illusion. The BST alone are a clear demonstration of that. Complete deception and communal self delusion.
If you accept the notion that the astral is a precursor to the physical then all lying, cheating, and deception, etc. must exist in firm etheric reality before it coalesces here.

Yeah, I gotta go with Rudolph on this one. IMO this is where it's important to have very clear thinking and intent, because it's extremely easy to be deceived and get caught up in deception/illusion and never get beyond the astral. I question just about everything I encounter and look at it in terms of symbolism or being relative to something else.

Hi everyone again.

I have done some attemps lately. Things are going better since I don't rush it anymore. I mostly get deep deep breaths, and feel all the air inside me. I usually see my self (not see, but I feel my self) being at high hill, by a tree, feeling the air mostly. Which is a great sensation. While in this state, my vision started to change, and I started to see clearer in that darkness of eyes closed. It's hard to describe.

Also, I don't know if it's my mind playing tricks on me but I have had some LD in the past. But since I got them, all my dreams are very simple and ordinary, so there is basically nothing I can recall as part of a dream, ergo I can't wake up in that dream. It's pretty funny how mind works, now that I know I can wake up on my dreams, my dreams get as linear as waking up, drinking up some coffee, and going back to bed  :lol:.

Last night, after realxing my self, and getting into that awake dreaming state, I decided to just go to sleep, so I laid in my side to get to sleep. But right when I got in my side, I started to spin madness, more than ever, I was seeing tat wheel again, fill with lights. I let my self go, and the spins got faster and faster and faster, to a point I was feeling very very dizzy. It was pretty cool, but I was so exhausted (I stayed in bed, doing energy work and realxing my self for over an hour), that the feeling faded away, and I fall asleep.


My way of seing life is chaning. I'm seeing everything more clear, and I can see now how my way of thinking was before I actually awake. I usually get this urge to go outside, and just enjoy the sun, the sand, the wind and I actually follow it pretty often. I've seen "eyes" when I close my own, or a single eye sometime, very very very clear. It's pretty amazing.

I play music, and my way of playing it has also changed, I can let my self go, and I can tell you it goes smooth. I used to get this "god I'm not doing this right" before, that has disappeared now.

I can say I'm happy, in a very different way I thought happiness was all about.


Thanks for reading, replying, or anything. And excuse my english, I still mess the verbs quite a lot.

Take care!

 Congratulations my friend, it looks like you are truly finding your "inner peace". Conscious Astral travel changes you and your beliefs in many ways. But it is all a personal thing. That is the reason time and time again I tell people not to undertake this until they feel they are ready for this change in their lives. I read about people that just want to try it for fun and that's there choice. But when you open yourself up to it 100% and really focus on it, it will become you!  :-)

You couldn't be more right. Thanks you for the kind words ;)

Congrats.  :-D

It is so cool how that occurs. I can remember the days when I was going through that change. Sleeping is never just sleeping anymore. And it only gets better.

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P.S.  This explains why things like lying, cheating, and deception are not possible in the astral, but that's for another thread.


This is not true either. Not even a little bit. The Astral plane is a realm of nearly pure illusion. The BST alone are a clear demonstration of that. Complete deception and communal self delusion.
If you accept the notion that the astral is a precursor to the physical then all lying, cheating, and deception, etc. must exist in firm etheric reality before it coalesces here.

Ok, illusion, disolution and perception are all the same thing. What I was addressing was entities lying to one another. It can't happen. You are what you intend. You wear your intent like a scarlet letter in the astral. In addition, there is no scarcity. There is no material. There is no materialism. There is no reason to decieve or lie to one another.

The only deception I have ever witnessed was other entities playing practical jokes on me because they realized I was some n00b human projector. No ill intent, just fun. We are talking about a realm of PUL here. Personifying human nature into this realm is not sound logic. It's causal reasoning and has it's fair set of fallacies.

Much PUL,
Contenteo

QuoteI started to hear a "zzzzmmm"

Sounds to me like you're reaching the vibration stage without much difficulty. You should know just reaching this stage is generally one of the hardest parts!

The next step is for you to relax and let go. Try to be happy about reaching that stage, it's a major accomplishment! You need to be able to let go of any fear you have when you're in that stage. It WILL prevent you from advancing. Think of it this way- the WORST that can happen is you wake up. That being the case, what is their to fear?

For me, once i realized this was the gateway to projection, I no longer felt any fear. Now when I hear the buzzing I generally have to try and quell my excitement because that will snap me back. I've actually woke myself up laughing and smiling with excitement once while I was in this stage!

You're doing fantastic, and you're SO CLOSE! Keep working at it and keep us posted! :)

Quote from: Contenteo on April 07, 2012, 02:44:35
Ok, illusion, disolution and perception are all the same thing.

That is not true.

Perception from the Atmic position beyond duality is outside of the realm of Illusion. But most APers do not even know what this is much less have any experience of it.

QuoteWhat I was addressing was entities lying to one another. It can't happen.

Yes, it can. It happens all the time in the astral.
This is one of the reasons there are so many pseudo-teachers out there all spouting contradictory theories and stories. Some Trikster met them in the Astral and fed them a line of BS and pretended to be spreading Truth. They lace their load of nonsense with sprinkles of the sort of stuff the Astral Seeker wants to hear and the noobs swallow it whole. They go back to their bodies and write books and voila' -- mass confusion.

QuoteIn addition, there is no scarcity. There is no material. There is no materialism. There is no reason to decieve or lie to one another.

Well, there is definitely a scarcity of Truth. And there is plenty of "material" and plenty of materialism. The astral material is much 'finer' than physical but it is still astral 'material'. There are all sorts of reasons to deceive and it goes on practically non-stop in the astral realm.

QuotePersonifying human nature into this realm is not sound logic. It's causal reasoning and has it's fair set of fallacies.

That is like saying "a pitcher throwing a ball to the first baseman is not sound logic". Of course it is sound logic. APers project their human nature all the time. It is exceedingly common. It is all part of the game.


(maybe this should be moved to the 'philosophy' section?)

Quote from: Rudolph on April 04, 2012, 22:40:47
Even with that edit/rephrase it still isn't true.

Lots of people Think the Thought and formulate intent to go somewhere like the Akashic Records for example, but they do not go there. Many people can't go through closed doors or walls, despite thought and intent to do so.

You're not understanding what "Intent" is then.

Intent...
It's the difference between intending to move your hand, and actually moving your hand.
You can intend to move your hand as much as you want, but it won't do anything until you actually MOVE your hand.  The act of moving your hand is you placing the Intent.  It's what occurs a fraction before the action. 

I hope that made some sense.  LoL

Quote from: Rudolph on April 07, 2012, 11:52:13
Yes, it can. It happens all the time in the astral.
This is one of the reasons there are so many pseudo-teachers out there all spouting contradictory theories and stories. Some Trikster met them in the Astral and fed them a line of BS and pretended to be spreading Truth. They lace their load of nonsense with sprinkles of the sort of stuff the Astral Seeker wants to hear and the noobs swallow it whole. They go back to their bodies and write books and voila' -- mass confusion.

Let's consider for a second the possibility of "why" people get "deceived" in the non-physical in this manner.

I think they choose to be deceived, whether consciously or subconsciously, because they're hoping for something greater for themselves (EGO).

If you're really "open" and gearing towards a lower entropy position for yourself, I'm in full agreement with Contenteo, you can't be deceived in the non-physical.   
His assessment that you "wear your intent like a scarlet letter in the astral" is, in my experience, most accurate.  It's the energy you put out that tells all about your Intent. 

Although, I will give you that it could potentially take someone some time and experience to figure that out first.  A lot of newbies have a couple or a few experiences then begin to base truths off those miniscule events.  Hence you end up with the noobs swallowing it whole phenomenon you mentioned.  Those "noobs" are choosing to be deceived... they're not being objective because they're letting their ego get in the way.

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Yes, it can. It happens all the time in the astral.
This is one of the reasons there are so many pseudo-teachers out there all spouting contradictory theories and stories. Some Trikster met them in the Astral and fed them a line of BS and pretended to be spreading Truth. They lace their load of nonsense with sprinkles of the sort of stuff the Astral Seeker wants to hear and the noobs swallow it whole. They go back to their bodies and write books and voila' -- mass confusion.

Yes, yes, you are correct from an Atmic POV, but by the time that POV becomes relevant, we would be outside the realm of illusion, in essence dead, enjoying the full amenities of an astral afterlife.

So for right now, here on the physical, perception and misperception(illusion, disillusion) are both he same thing because you are dealing with a in series information stream and a singular given interpretation. The physical is a buffer in between our perception and other perceptions that link us to the oneness. Of course deception exists here oon the physical. Whether the information is true or not does not matter, nor does the interpretation, either way, it is how you understand the world surrounding you that molds your beliefs. Your mental models are what you share and what you base your intent from.

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Mass confusions occurs because these teachers enter livelihood of teaching this stuff. You cannot teach this and make money and be right in our current infrastructure.
- I personally hate most people selling books on this subject. Even Monroe pisses me off when I see him trying to make money off hemisync, but alas, that is the fallacy of taking a stance. You position becomes rigid. It is the conundrum of all positions. You must take one and defend it. Thus, one can never give the whole picture. :cry:
- We don't have a holistic picture of what is really going on yet. He have a bunch of really good hypothesizes. We are damn close, but not dead on. Of course confusion if going to happens. But in this time of confusion, simplicity is our best friend.

In this way you can see why in a realm of oneness deception does not exist, and thus because one cannot hide their true intent, emotions instantly manifest themselves when in the lower astral planes. you are what you think.

For reference:
Quote from Atmic site:

QuoteForm/Structure:
The Atmic body is a radiation from a central point that is unified with the One-Life that envelopes and surrounds the earth; animating, perceiving through, acting through all living creatures on all levels of existence (Buddhic, Manasic, Causal, Mental, Astral, Etheric, Physical) on the earth.

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Remember why we call it phasing in the first place Rudy. Monroe was an electrical engineer and the phenomenon was most akin to that of phase voltage differential. Two voltages on the same circuit. independent, but intertwined. As is our consciousness.

Cheers,
Contenteo

Quote from: Contenteo on April 08, 2012, 01:34:13
Yes, yes, you are correct from an Atmic POV, but by the time that POV becomes relevant, we would be outside the realm of illusion, in essence dead, enjoying the full amenities of an astral afterlife.

No. That's not how it works. It appears that you completely misunderstand the relationship between these worlds and realms of Consciousness.

There is no "astral afterlife" in the Eternal sense. There is an Astral transition.

The Astral realm is a material Universe with a Temporal element -- both much finer and more elusive than the physical, yet far more like the physical World than anything remotely resembling a Truly Eternal Atmic Reality and Awareness.

Quote from: Rudolph on April 08, 2012, 13:05:18
No. That's not how it works. It appears that you completely misunderstand the relationship between these worlds and realms of Consciousness.

There is no "astral afterlife" in the Eternal sense. There is an Astral transition.

The Astral realm is a material Universe with a Temporal element -- both much finer and more elusive than the physical, yet far more like the physical World than anything remotely resembling a Truly Eternal Atmic Reality and Awareness.

Are you two really complaining that each others opinions are incorrect?

They're wonderful metaphors... both of them.  But in the end, they're both still opinion. 
Neither is known to be correct... or incorrect for that matter.

Quote from: Xanth on April 08, 2012, 13:25:52
Are you two really complaining that each others opinions are incorrect?

They're wonderful metaphors... both of them.  But in the end, they're both still opinion. 
Neither is known to be correct... or incorrect for that matter.

No.

Someone might incorrectly refer to the tires on a car as wheels. It might be a common error but it does not change the fact that the wheels and the tires are two different things.

It is not a matter of opinion.

Quote from: Rudolph on April 08, 2012, 14:39:24
No.

Someone might incorrectly refer to the tires on a car as wheels. It might be a common error but it does not change the fact that the wheels and the tires are two different things.

It is not a matter of opinion.

Let's take a quick look at what you said then...

Quote from: Rudolph on April 08, 2012, 13:05:18
No. That's not how it works. It appears that you completely misunderstand the relationship between these worlds and realms of Consciousness.

And you *DO* understand those relationships?
So that means that you know "how it works" then?
I'm waiting to hear this awesome, 100% solid, verifiable proof of this that isn't just your opinion?

QuoteThere is no "astral afterlife" in the Eternal sense. There is an Astral transition.

Again, where's your proof?  I'm not exactly going to just take your word for it that there is "no astral afterlife in the eternal sense".  This is your opinion.

QuoteThe Astral realm is a material Universe with a Temporal element -- both much finer and more elusive than the physical, yet far more like the physical World than anything remotely resembling a Truly Eternal Atmic Reality and Awareness.

Again, this is pure speculation and simply your opinion. 
That is, unless you have some proof to back this up.

So yes, it's a matter of "opinion"... unless, as I pointed out, you have some ground breaking, physical life altering proof of what you speak of. 
Which you don't, and can't... since it's only your opinion.

Quote from: Xanth on April 08, 2012, 15:02:20
Let's take a quick look at what you said then...
And you *DO* understand those relationships?
So that means that you know "how it works" then?
I'm waiting to hear this awesome, 100% solid, verifiable proof of this that isn't just your opinion?
Again, where's your proof?  I'm not exactly going to just take your word for it that there is "no astral afterlife in the eternal sense".  This is your opinion.

You are misinterpreting the level of discussion here. I do not need "proof" to correct someone who claims that there are 5 millimeters in a centimeter. Just a dictionary will do. There is a thing known as convention.

If you want to invent a new convention just call it something new like Squidjal Projection and make any claim you want about it.

Obfuscation...

I expected as much from you.

Thanks Rudy.

Quote from: Xanth on April 08, 2012, 15:51:10
Obfuscation...

I expected as much from you.

How is concise, relevant, accurate, cogent reply "obfuscation"?

Answer; It isn't.

Seems this thread has gone into a whole different direction. Keep in mind, discussions are a good thing; world is built on people having different points of view. Listen to others, understand them, and with that understand your own self.

Anyways, actually came online to post a little question I had, about something I've tried this last two sessions.

I have done this both at night before sleeping, at in the morning:

Basically, get my body relax, as always. Mind too. After that, imagine my self, well not imagine but feel my self in a different position. I usually lay on my back, so I feel my self as being on the side, inside my body but in a different position, so that my physical nose for example, is located at the back of my conscious head. What I guet with this, is the feeling of being appart from my body, eyes, breath, heart beat... everything thats comes with the physical. I then get out of bed (keeping my concentration on every little aspect of this), and walk either to the bathroom, or outside my room, or anything. For some reason, this seems really natural for me. Anyways, I haven't managed to keep my focus on my conscious for too long, and I have found my thoughts focusing back on my body.

BUT!!, and there is a big but!, right when I focused back on my physical body, I found out that it was away from my body. I mean, I felt as if my body was a little bit below my own self. And I'm guessing that is a good sign :D.

Also I'm facing this little fears as taking a shower in complete darkness, or looking at my self at a mirror, with no lights on. Don't ask me why, but I had those fears as far as I can remember. Well, I wouldn't call them fears, but something I always avoided  :roll:.

Thanks in advance for any response.


edit: For me that "method" seems pretty reasonable, has anyone tried before??, or does it "sound" good?.

Again excuse my neardenthal english !

I have found all techniques of projection have the similarity of 'imagining' yourself somewhere else/doing something/etc.

The key is fostering this 'disconnectedness' in whatever way is comfortable to you.

Yes, you will snap back, over and over again. But that is a good thing. You felt yourself getting a little to far and came back. The key here is persistence. When things in your visualizations start to get freaky, i.e. the hackysack you visualized yourself juggling turns into a charcoal apple, just go with it. This is a indicator of success. When you go with it, you will hit a semi lucid dreaming state, and if done right you will realize you have projected without even trying.

So anything that helps you persistently visualize to foster disconnectedness will be a good method of projection.

As per the method you just described, I do the same thing, except it is not local, it will be me walking around in a park or driving a car, or something or other, switch it up to keep it exciting. The last thing you want is to get bored with your method. Because then it won't work.

Cheers,
Contenteo

Back again!. Hope everyone is doing fine.

Just wanted to post something here. I haven't got enough time lately to try it in the afternoon or morning, so all my attemps are being at night. I know is a hard time to do it, but well, it is still being practice.

It seems, that many of my attemps (90% of them), I get that falling and spinning sensation. I have discovered, that I get it right when I feel as if I were going to fall (right before I'm about to sleep), but because I'm fully awake, and my body is asleep, I only get the feeling but not the impulsive move. Right after that I start to fall down, spinning around my self.

I often feel my chest going madness, and I hear some stuff. I will have to give it a try some of these days.

Well Ï'm off and in a little hurry!. Bye!

Awesome Job. That falling feeling is the beginning of Monroe's F15. It's a tough thing to explain how to latch onto, hence why I think you got it.  :-P

Cheers,
Contenteo

Thank you centeneo.

Also I wanted to tell you something, and ask a couple of questions.

I think I told you before me and a couple of friends are very into this. I've talked to him about what I discovered, about getting out of body and energy working. He beleived me right away, he eaven knew about it before I did.

He never tried any method before though. But last night, I was telling him about some of my late attempts, and he suddenly told me an experience he had that same night (which he wasn't going to remember, unless I talked to him about my Obe's).

He woke up in his bed, he didn't move. Saw "I quote him" a big alien head in his window, and many tinny little heads right below that bigger one. He felt as if the bed was moving but in  a way very strange and sudden, as if those beings wouldn't want him to realize. He then realized that he was in some kind of spaceship, and the beings just had put and hallucination of his room, inside their space ship. So he thought to him self "bonk it, I'm leaving", he left and appeared in the middle of space. With so much detail, he could's see a big orange star, he wanted to get closer to it, he described as if; "I tried to focus with my eyes that big orange light, and what happened there was if I zoom in, and out, loosing focus". He didn't describe it as an orange sun, or planet, more like a Bright orange rhombus, very very bright.

He also described some colors he never saw before. He isn't sure he did get out of body, but I know he did, and he some how knows too.

Two questions; ¿Have you seen a rhombus like that?, or anything similar?. I thought it could be one of those vortex, or a being eaven.

Also; Those aliens in his room, I pretty much guess is that "hallucination" state that you get, right before you're about to leave your body. ¿I'm a right?.

Safe travels. More than save, meaningful travels ;)

Ok, loaded, but a goodie.

QuoteColors he never saw before

Yes, there have been multiple accounts of this. When you think about seeing as simply a method of sensing frequency of waves(light in this case) here on the physical, many peculiar sensations on the astral are put into context. For instance, you could see a sound, or something akin to it, or hear a color, or for better explanation, just simply know an entire plot of experience without anyone telling you. But hey, wait, that sounds like a great description of how we actually experience dreams. Right? When we explain them to friends, but we question how we even know details.
That's just how communication works over there. Warm fuzzies and intuitions rather then words.


As for the majority of the experience, realize again, the above. Whatever you experience will be subjective. It's all interpreted waves. There is no way out of it. YOU are the one experiencing it. It's a naturally subjective experience. Whether those were real entities or figments of his imagination, we would really never know. The only way I have found to consistently track these experiences is Monroe's, because it looks a function rather than form, i.e. Level of subjectivity/ aka disconnectedness vs. where you are  :-)

It's confusing because at first; when you project it gets really subjective. i.e. your in your own consciousness(F21). but as you travel deeper, the subjectivity('youness') continues to the great 'oneness', so in essence, subjectivity becomes objective again, but in the equally opposite way. i.e. the experience gets clearer.

Just like a ant has a muddled perception of our existence over here, we have a muddled perception in that equal opposite realm.

So, your friend's experience had that woosh, "blasting off as he called it" which is very characteristic of traveling deeper and more dissconntected/ higher in the Focus levels. I am not surprised he ended up in blackness focusing on a very clear image. The rhombus in this case. Was probably in F22 or F23, my guess is 23.

So realize, you will never able to tell what the hell is going on in the astral, just like an ant couldn't tell you global politics. Just realize there is this phenomenon where you can go deeper if you wish. Judge experiences off that. It's the level of disconnectedness you are measuring towards wherever we go when we die. Nothing less, nothing more.

So no aliens :-P, just figments of an F21 state, hah, maybe they were even sounds, who knows, but that rhombus...now that's something to meddle over.

Cheers,
Contenteo

Just passing by to say hi, I'm still on my way for travels. So far I get to that "non weight feeling/ no body feeling" pretty easily now. But I still have the same problem, as soon as I start to feel heavy sensations, I tend to keep them, and I do, but after a while I loose concentration; either the falling/spinning sensation, or the lifting one.

Any advice??.Should I try to approach from dreams maybe??. I haven't got a lucid one yet, never tried it either though.

Greets!

Quote from: Anonymouse on May 22, 2012, 06:04:55
Just passing by to say hi, I'm still on my way for travels. So far I get to that "non weight feeling/ no body feeling" pretty easily now. But I still have the same problem, as soon as I start to feel heavy sensations, I tend to keep them, and I do, but after a while I loose concentration; either the falling/spinning sensation, or the lifting one.
Any advice??.Should I try to approach from dreams maybe??. I haven't got a lucid one yet, never tried it either though.
Greets!

Stay the course. It sounds like you are progressing. Go in with no expectations, no stress, just let what happens happen. When I feel the non weight/no body feeling I begin with my visualization. First I test the waters by creating my spinning top, most of the time my spinning top visual will morph into a entire different scene. Example of this could be I see my spinning top just spinning in the 3D darkness before my eyes, it then starts to sway side to side, next thing I know, it's not a top anymore, it's 2 people dancing. Then a background shows up. You see where I am going with this. Your entire focus now is on this scene as the depth of the scene grows, meaning you have no focus whatsoever on your physical body or reality. You have totally shifted over, now you can stop this scene and create your intended destination or you can just stay with this scene to see how far it goes. At first it's better to just stay with the scene. But if you are using this scene as a launching pad, then you can go back to the 3D darkness at will and begin a entirely new scenario.
I use a spinning top, a burning flame, my beach scene, a quiet river scene, walking through tall grass, playing hacky sac, shooting hoops, a number of different things as my launching pad. I never use any physical destination, like my kitchen, bedroom, or vicinity. I don't want to walk around here, I already do that while physical, I want to adventure outwards into new destinations.
You can get really good with these visuals by practicing everyday, Tom Campbell says it's good to practice while walking, while meditating, while watching TV, basically anytime is good. You should be able to just turn off the physical at will anytime anyplace. That's when you are really going to see your capabilities. It takes a lot of will and discipline to do this, but it can definitely be achieved. The more you practice, the easier it gets. Just stay the course!
Good Luck and Safe Travels!  :-)

I am glad you are finding it easy to get to the mind awake body asleep state. That is essential. Props on the progress.

I have a tip for you.

QuoteI loose concentration

It's not about having concentration. It's about loosing it. The reason metaphysical imagery works is it helps you passively disconnect your senses of the physical. As long as you are still are actively thinking, you are going to have a barrier.

So Lion is right on with the visualization. It's the secret.

The key here is to get to the F10 state (mind awake, body asleep). THEN, start the visualization. Then get lost in your own visualization. Youll know you are on the right track when the images start to take on a life of their own. Get lost in them. As I described in the article I wrote a while back, the secret is to stay persistent with this. They are going to break down. Just keep visualizing and getting as lost as possible. When you are totally immeresed, it is then that the phase will just happen. It just will, you won't know what hit you until you are on the other side. It's like passing out early on a cross country flight. When you come too you are just there.

Best.

Cheers,
Contenteo

Hi to both of you. Thanks for the respond.

I remember I have done some visualizations in the past, and I can remember they were going great. I used to imagine my self in a mountain somewhere, and so on. But it wasn't in my "3D blackness", it was just me, being else where. They did work I think, I remember focusing back into body and finding my self lifting up again. So I will go back to that.

Also, I have seen meteorites in my room, to the point I thought they were going to hit me, also lights, shapes, sounds , in my "3d blackness". Sometimes, the blackness seems to have huge spots of light. Can't explain my self well.

I'm guessing, I was right in the spot before sleeping, and keeping awareness there. Tonight and tomorrow morning I will stick with the visualizations when I get to that point. And I will not have any expectations, but to lay down, and see how it goes, for the fun : D.

Also another question, I cannot help to think, I'm not going to be able to visualize anything whenever I start to fall down, spinning. The sensation is so real, and heavy; Maybe I could visualize something in that enviroment??; For example, If I start to fall down I could imagine my self in some kind of a place, and seeing things passing by my eyes, or something like that. Try to adapt the visualizations to the sensations maybe??.

Safe travels!

Quote from: Rudolph on April 04, 2012, 14:35:34
I am pretty sure this isn't really true.

My experience is also in line with Rudolph's comment. Thoughts/Emotions manifesting immediately depends much on the environment in which you 'land'. In some environments I have been in even basic reality checks don't work (eg: checking the clocks over and over) as the environments are too stable. Other environments I went to you can't cross from one side of the room to another without the room changing a dozen times, its very difficult to nagivate such environments.

I also noticed it all depends on 'who' is around you. If you have independent energies surrounding you, sometimes they stabilise the environment and there is less fluctuation. If you have your guide around you, they can sabilise the environment or do the opposite and make it very fluid (dependent on their goal with you).

Astral is such a huge place, there seem to be different rules in different areas and those rules fluctuate hugely dependent on who is around. The area will look exactly the same as another area (eg: someone's room) but the rules applying to it could be quite different.

Thus it all depends where the person 'lands'. Which is why I recommend immediately starting to ask the first 'person' you see out there some questions and see what they reply (see my other posts).

But these are just my deductions from my experiences, I understand that different people have different experiences in astral and thus make different deductions from them.

Anonymouse, entry via the 'direct method' (eg: sitting/lying in a phasing/obe'ing meditation and literally phasing out) is one of the hardest to get to lead to a result and can take many months of very hard work.

There are much easier entries namely 'indirect' (eg: attempt to phase out simply by intent as soon as you wake up, statistics show about 80% of newbies phase out within 3 days of trying this. The key here is to remain motionless when you wake up from a dream and try intent yourself to leave the body within about 40 seconds while the body is still in a semi-sleep state and the mind is not fully in the physical. PM me if you need a source that explains this method) and another easier method is lucid dreaming.

I use LD'ing and indirect method for my entries, but I also meditate a lot during physical days (meditation I do aims to develop astral senses amongst other things). But I first phased with an indirect method and I did LD'ing quite a lot before. The point is that direct method is unnecessarily hard especially if you have little conscious experience of astral.

Enter via the easy methods first, meet your guide (see my other post), talk to him/her she/he will tell you what is what and what you should focus on, then continue with the direct method if you so choose, or try both methods as I do.

Indirect/ld methods are much faster in terms of results than the direct method (I been working on direct method for 4 months now at least, with only maybe a dozen trips from it, but from indirect/ld methods within last month alone I had at least a couple of dozen trips).

: ) you can be tripping in a couple of days, just focus your energy on easier methods and put all your energy into them, they are 'easier' not because I think so, but because statistical studies show it based on hundreds of newbies trying to trip (pm me)

ps: also forget everything you read in terms of what to expect, heart chakra beating, vibrations, colours, 3D space, etc. At beginner level all of these are just distractions. These things happen to some people and not to others, and it all depends which method you use to enter, your energy level and so on.

Focus levels are important if you are working within a particular focus level, eg: if you want to download telepathic information (eg: vipassana meditation) then it is useful to you to get a quick understanding of what focus levels do what (eg: if you slip into the higher level of ecstacy/love you may want to bring yourself down to download some information, by using some distracting thoughts or anything else you know) and so on. If your goal, however is to simply 'enter', then forget everything about focus levels. Then your goal is to basically fall asleep without actually falling asleep, and thats it.

Now to make your life easier all you need to do is remind yourslef to 'relax and be fearless', whatever happens 'let it happen'.

Like Tom Campbell and Rob Monroe say
''My attitude became, if its going to kill me, let it kill me!'' This attitude is also great when you end up in astral and start getting attacked (I'm sure this will happen, I don't know a single person who was never attacked in all their trips, even if only slightly).

You can 'dissolve' the attack in seconds by simply adopting this attitude of 'if you are going to kill me, go ahead, I'l just relax and enjoy it, this is just a dream!' (I had all kinds of attacks from 'gentle' ones where a person would start throwing rocks at me, to medium ones where huge ugly demon faces would scream and shout at me, to horrific ones where a monster would jump on me and start chewing my arms and body with my bones snapping and crackling before my eyes - none of those attacks hurt, and they only lasted a few seconds. Why? Because as soon as an attack started happening I simply told myself ''relax, you can't kill me, this is just a dream'', and there was no fear anymore (and no more attacks, as you learn the lesson after that).

So, its much easier to enter if you use easier methods + no expectations + relaxed and fearless attitude.

Great post nikolai

All that is very accurate in my experience. To again, re-clarify the nature of intent, it still is changing to room around whether you are controlling it or not. It's kind of like that classic runaway fire hose. Spraying all over the place until you can capture and control it.

QuoteAlso, I have seen meteorites in my room, to the point I thought they were going to hit me, also lights, shapes, sounds , in my "3d blackness". Sometimes, the blackness seems to have huge spots of light. Can't explain my self well.

I know exactly what you are talking about Anon. Its essentially, both black and white at the same time. Very difficult to explain (and to bring Pauli and his exclusion principle into this) as no two things can occupy the same space at the same time. I found this to be a commonly passed milestone in the myriad of imagery one sees when inducing F10 and F12.

Cheers,
Contenteo

this is freaking fascinating, some of the stuff you guys talk about I have never even thought about let alone actually experienced (meteorites in the room!? how cool is that!!!)

All right.  As you mentioned nikolai, I will focus my energy on the passive ways of getting out of body. I think is my time for that. I really wanted to try the "active" way. For some reason it's the way that really got my attention, maybe because it's the one that needs more effort.

I have learned quite a lot from all of those nights, staying there and experiencing all of these. I've also learned, thank to that, to not let my self down if things don't go as I expected. I have more patience in that term now.

So for this next month, I will give the passive way a big try, with all my effort. And see how it goes. I will keep you updated.

Cheers.

Quote from: nikolai on May 25, 2012, 13:43:11
this is freaking fascinating, some of the stuff you guys talk about I have never even thought about let alone actually experienced (meteorites in the room!? how cool is that!!!)

I was surprise as well. As I said, I think I was fading into that dream state, but still awake. I get that many nights now, right when I feel to tired to keep trying to "obe", and I  say to my self (okay, let's go to sleep now) I get all of those images/sounds dreamlike.

Quote from: Anonymouse on May 25, 2012, 07:40:49
For example, If I start to fall down I could imagine my self in some kind of a place, and seeing things passing by my eyes, or something like that. Try to adapt the visualizations to the sensations maybe??.

I once phased within about 10 minutes by simply lying down closing my eyes and keeping my mind on the the very thought 'water' (not visualising anything at all). Soon I started hearing water as if from a distance, I focused on this sound, sound got louder, next thing I know the sound got 'normal (i.e. physically fully loud) and a fluctuation came (i suddenly could see a tap into which water flowed) next moment I know is I feel water on my face and suddenly a beach scene appears and I'm lying on the beach with water on my face (as If I teleported from my bed). I stood up and went exploring (but it felt like a physical separation (like a typical obe separation, quite 'heavy' feeling (I had to force myself to stand up and felt the astral body as if ripping away from the physical (gravity sensation). In my experience 'entry' into astral via a direct method is often like this, while other methods are very gentle entries, you kind of just slip into it.

So dont worry too much about making visualisations very realistic, I understand 'concept' alone (eg: 'think water') can be enough to bring forth the associated astral material and develop the scene around you until you are suddenly in it.

Anonymouse my philosophy is try everything to see what works best

But remember there is a lot of emotional energy which is actually spent when you are attempting to enter, which makes the entry even harder. This is why some people often try very hard for months and experience nothing at all, then they say 'screw this!' and stop practicing and suddenly start experiencing lucid dreams and obe's. Counterintuitive, but thats because their energy reserves fill up after a break.

Energy is wasted hugely if you feel any kind of 'urgency/rush/desperateness/dissapointment' from your attempts. Just treat it like you couldn't care less, if you feel tired don't practice for a while, take a break. Then your energy levels will stay higher and you will have success faster.

Great news!!!!.

I just woke up. And couldn't resist my self to write it down. I just got into the vibrate state my friends. Clear as  a water fall.

Last night, I said to my self some sentences, as affirmations. More dedicated to Lucid Dreaming. I had this dream, which wasn't lucid at all, but very very interesting. I remember, I woke up in my house (in the dream), and went out to the streets, to take a walk. I could see far far away, in the horizon, A big big planet. Let me explain my self; At first I thought it was the moon, being rarely close to the earth, but I looked at it, and it had pieces of brown land, green, and blue.  I called my friends, and told them to look up the sky. We decided to get together. For some reason, we had to be together.


People was going mad, freaking out and all of that. I remember saying; If that big planet has come into our orbit, we will surely move away from the sun with it. And my friend said; "we have a long journey to go, a new technology will be sown to us, so we can survive without the sun itself".

After that, I was in a room. Kind of like a bunker. A strange being was examining me, I was laying down. He said to me to not be afraid, he was going to fix me up. I trusted him, and looked at him in the eyes. He was very very tall, can't remember his face well, but he wasn't human, but I trusted him as no other. He was (I think) doing something with his palms, over my chest. After a while  he talked to him self (not in words, it was mental words, and I could hear them) He said; "Not again"... or something like that. He was blaming himself for something.

I woke up, in my bed, completely aware, and focus.  I knew it was my time. I just sit there doing nothing, when the vibrations suddenly kicked in. All over my body, my ears....everything. Powerful powerful vibrations. Amazing really. My hands, and my chest are still with the vibration hangover. My mind was calmed, it seemed normal for me.

It ended up there. For some reason I didn't feel like getting out of body yet. I knew in that moment, it was so easy, I could just get out, in a minute. But I stopped;  I thought about the idea of me, getting out, and getting into a new world entirely took me back. The feeling of "vastness" took me back.

I'm still amazed, for this experience. For being so real...those vibrations, really. More than the vibrations, the feeling of knowing that I could just get out If I wanted to.


Thanks everyone for reading, for helping me out, and for helping others. I know I'm just there, next step is to face that feeling of vastness. And let things come as they come.

This is thank to you, I assure you.

Beautiful Anonymouse!

Enjoy the feeling of awe that comes from beginning to realise that "all this stuff is actually real", and this is only the beginning :)

Post here more of what you experience!

Congrats Anonymouse! :D

Hi
Its quite magical, you'll get more of em too. Youve walked the longest mile.
Your patience worked, well done.

Hi everyone.

Just woke up from a nap.

I can recall at least 4 dreams. Which have never happened to me before( I could only remember one dream). One interesting thing, is telling a character of one of my dreams, the dream I just had before that one.

One of them was pretty intense. Basically there was some kind of an evil thing in this forest, and I went there to basically destroy it (it seemed the time of the earth was medieval, since I had two horses, one of them hated me. Don't know why). I remember going into the that cave (below a tree), and facing what was the shape of a female, with a black look in the eyes. I can't remember well what happened there though.

In another dream, I was in a school or an office. I went inside the bathroom, it was a huge bathroom I assure you. Inside there was a girl with glasses Who asked me if I had any paranormal experience or anything related to aliens so I told her the Dream about the which.

Had anyone remember dreams, inside a dream??  :?


Edit: I woke up with a Deep voice calling my name. I thought it was my father, but of course, the house was empty.

I also woke maybe 3 or 4 times during the nap, I've set the goal of not moving an inch right when I wake up, but I seem to forget it for now. It's about time

Awesome stuff mouse!

Do you log your dreams into a dream diary? (it will speed up your progress hugely)

I'm on it. Started a few days ago. I'll see out it goes ; )

Hi,
When you get out in your room and it seems different from normal (a little later on) if you see tape like carpet fish try not to boot em, they bite back. Its common with many projectors in their early days. Some have good recall while others remember seeing them only for a second.
I hope you see them. When I mastered concious exits, about a month later I wondered what they were, so booted em. I was 14,  and they bit me. Its amazing, revenge with teeth. Im sure others here have seen them too.
You've lots to go at and much more to come. More than you can dream up.
Best of luck.

Hi everyone; I'm still on the path ;).
I've been trying to wake up every morning, and to not move. Which it's hard, this morning I've managed to do it; Firstable I recalled about 2 or 3 dreams in that state, and live some of the scenes of those dreams, but staying lucid and aware.

After a while, I got the usual feelings of lifting...etc. But it didn't bother me at all, I just let it come. Then I heard some steps coming into the couch I was in, and the sound of someone scratching the coach itself; I freaked out (I wasn't at my house, so I wasn't 100% sure about my self).

Again, this has been a great experience, now I'm willing to face anything that comes next time I'm in that situation, I will accept it as it comes, observe it, and so be it.

I'll keep you informed!.

Thanks for reading.

Great news!

Quote
I just let it come. Then I heard some steps coming into the couch I was in, and the sound of someone scratching the coach itself; I freaked out (I wasn't at my house, so I wasn't 100% sure about my self).

You are pretty much on the verge! These are the sounds that you may have read about that freak people out as you phase. If you read my First steps Guide, then these are the exact sounds I talk about having to get used to. They are normal. I get them a lot. An argument could be made that you are at the very beginning of a phase. Congrats on your hard work.

The next step is to accept the sounds and use them to build a more vivid visualization. The next thing you know, you'll be in the astral.

Congrats again.

Cheers,
Contenteo

Hi,
I'll second the above.

Hello my friends.

Still around here, form time to time, but have some busy months lately. Still meditating, writing now everything in a notebook (dreams included).


Glad the pulse is still pulsing, new people coming in, and the usual helping around ;).

Wanted to post something here, I just laid down for 20-30 minutes, to explore my inner consciousness as usual, lately I'm feeling this "thing" in the right side of my face/head. Same feeling as if someone puts a hand close to my head in that spot.  I just let it be, whatever it is, I've asked some questions for intentions, or for knowledge, the feeling keeps there. Again, nothing wrong with it, it feels good actually. When I decided to end the meditation, I opened my eyes, and saw in the right side of my bed, (right of my body), some white "shadow", as some radiation or waves, pulsing from my waist up to my head, constantly pulsing; I stayed there, watching. Then I moved my head to look at it more clear, and a feeling of warmness filled my entire body. It felt very very warm, I laid down again, closed my eyes and enjoyed that feeling.

As always, sorry for my English, it's quite hard to explain my self sometimes, more over in this matters.

I'll keep posting around, good night everyone. And enjoy yourselves



Edit: Wanted to clarify: I'm taking the "getting out of body" a little bit more slow, and have done more progress this way than when I was constantly trying to archive an OBE; There are times now where I just lay or sit down, to enjoy the feelings, and to explore my own self. To think clearly about what I want to think, and to set goals for my self, to live this physical life as I believe I should do.

Most of the times when I do this, (almost everytime), I end up either feeling the rising up, the falling down, the noises... without even looking up for it. I can tell to the new ones, that with the most experience you gather behind you, the more enjoyable it is, and the more pleasant. That "exciting feeling", or nervous I could call it, is almost gone now; with the exceptions of really vivid experiences that happened around me, which I think I'm starting to get used to, and to approach to them as they are, with curiosity, and willing to learn from them. No more "o sh**t what is that floating above me", I just look at everything it comes, and try to figure out what it is, no more no less.

You hit the nail on the head.

This whole discipline becomes a lifestyle, not an achievement. It is the foundation of your personal understanding of what consciousness truly is. This is a study that you want to take a lifetime.

The benefits of practice are immense and manifest themselves in many unique ways, for instance what you just described. Warming comfort on command, anywhere, anyplace, whenever you want. It is the power to change the very state of your mind into a positive frame at will. And that's just one of them.

Bravo. It sounds like your studies are going sublimely.

Cheers,
Contenteo

I was sitting in my office just thinking about projecting when I started receiving code enforcement notices from the City Attorney new computer that worked at the molecular level.  After a dozen iterations I started into a out of body experience like my nabobs who weren't in the new will of they computer to stay around. In Dallas it doesn't matter if you have a will or not their computer has a will for you and it has been the last and final testament for many. Don't discuss this most people were too busy to notice the new gaping hole where their home once was.  Don't contact me about being a fool,  " I heard you the first time."

Hello my friends; still around here, just a little busy with life.


I've discovered some things; the more busy your physical life, the more joyful, the more matter you have in it, the more difficult is to manage to get into any of the "mind levels" many times described.

Since I'm realistic, I cannot focus on my spiritual matters right now as I'd wanted to, too much distraction; I still follow what I've managed to realize.

Right now, I'm focusing my self more in the mornings, and in dreams. I always try at least 20-40 minutes before sleeping, just staying there. Yesterday I had this incredible physical "touching" in my left ear, I even had to move thinking it was an insect.  Lack of awareness of the mental state I was in ;).


Anyways I had this dream I want to share with you.


I was in this dentist clinic (I have had a couple of problems with an old dentist, that did a mess in one of my molars). I was in that dentist, it was a good dentist, very professional so I was happy to be there. As part of my subconsciousness, and the fact I've been worried about that molar for a long time, I had all my teeth wrong in that dream, I had teeth were there shouldn't be teeth...etc.
When I laid down in the stretcher, I started to feel something in that molar and started to pull out little pieces of metal dozens of them, the dentist told me it was normal to have that in there, wasn't normal to pull them out though.

After a while of being there, they gave me some anesthetic so I quickly realized I was going to take advantage of that state, and try to obe in that dream. I was laying down on my back in the dream... After a while, and when I soon started to feel the lifting, two dogs started to bite my hands gently; they didn't hurt me they just didn't like what I was doing. I asked the dentist what are doing those dogs in here; they told me the dogs don't want me to contact with the spirits, they also said if I don't stop doing whatever I'm doing to contact them, they will leave the room; and they did.

There were two friend of mine in the room; the sensations were strange, the ambient was charged with energy, the air had something different, and I had that feeling deep inside me... I asked my friends to look in the internet for ways of telling this spirits to leave us, to let them go. Dogs were still biting, so I told them to leave the room, I opened the room and let them go, then I turned back to my friends and walked a bit into the room... I turned and saw a man trying to enter the room; This is when the "thing" happens: I raised my hand violently, and a feeling of anger, and power surrounded me, I slammed the door with a movement of my hand from the distant, the door closed so hard, and right when it closed the lights went off. My friend asked me what happened, I told him it was me.. I was kind of scared, because I didn't know what I was doing, I was feeling something inside me, the ambient was very very intense.

I decided to lay down, to relax, and to send whoever was there with me love, and acceptance. To know who they were, and if they had bad intentions to try to help them out, to understand they never have felt love, and a person or a being that has never felt that, may be going into another way, more (lack of a better word) "evil".

Right when I was starting to send love all around the room, I woke up in my bed, in the exact same position. I opened my eyes in my room, still thinking I was going to see the dentist room, and the face of that spirit, when I started to open them slowly I realized I was in my real room, and freaked out.

It's the second most vivid dream of my life, didn't get to vibration state right when I woke up, as the last time I had a similar dream, and woked up in the exact same position.


Still trying things in the morning, trying not to move, but is hard to don't move. I want to try also to fall asleep laying on my back, is something I have never do, everytime I'm laying on my back I cannot sleep, I mean; when I meditate, or try to archieve an OBE I lay on my back, and to sleep I have to change that position otherwise I would stay there for hours. I will try it though, see if those nightmares come, I'll keep you informed Szaxx.

Safe travels ;)

Hi,
I was in a dentists chair today too, a real one and the door was closed.lol

Quote from: Anonymouse on August 10, 2012, 08:55:30
I've discovered some things; the more busy your physical life, the more joyful, the more matter you have in it, the more difficult is to manage to get into any of the "mind levels" many times described.

You hit the nail directly on the head with this statement. I try to tell people this, but they always say they don't have the time to sit down for 20 minutes of peace. Then they tell me that they can't AP, well of course not. We can't shun our physicall existence off, but we can from time to time give it a "time out". If we don't do this voluntarily the Multi-verse will end up doing this for us, normally in a way that we don't like.