Hello Zebrima
Interesting dream, I dont know if you can astral phase but it would be worth a try. keep us updated .
The only planet I've seen while attempting astral projection had dark green rolling clouds.As I pasted my vision was not as clear as my astral visions usely are, although not my imagination but not as vivid. I do have one question about the tenth planet, if it is in a large orbit around our sun how is life mantained in deep space without warmth from the sun ?
Think deep, fly high [:)]
krome
Life will find a way.
Life doesn't have to conform to Earth's standard. Why do so many people (especially scientist) think it does?
Because they don't like different things that would be hard to explain. Did this woman have a name? If she didn't and you see her again, could you ask her? Other people might be able to call her like they call guides and we could create a conglomeration of information.
about 10 years ago I had a dream in which saturn came REALLY close to earth.so close that the rings were in earths atmosphere.I know it was ten years ago,but it's very similar,and considering it's 2000 year orbit,the dream was still very timely.
You'd be surprised at how unlikely 'intelligent biological' life can evolve on none Earthlike planets, bacterial life such as fungi, or viral life is of course a fact on none earthlike planets but to say intelligent life can evolve on other classes of planets is far fetched - Oxygen is one of the greatest requirements for the evolution of multicelled organisms.
Of course though, you have to realise, that when people say earthlike, they dont mean 100% Earthlike.
So long as the planets atmosphere contains a sufficient quantity of oxygen and the temperature isnt hot enough to melt metal or too cold then life can evolve but not necessarily into intelligent life, the probability of it happening within a same solar system is also highly improbable.
In this dimension anyway.
this looks like a job for... me!! its AWESOME that she told you not to worry, that's really good news for mankind [:D]
yes, there IS a tenth planet in our solar system. buy the 12th planet by zecharia sitchin. this will fill you in enough to satisfy you, i promise [;)]
the woman you saw may very well have been from that 10th planet, called nibiru (NI.BI.RU) by the sumerians ("planet of crossing"). it was called the planet of crossing because it's orbit is like that of a comet, very elliptical. it was knocked towards our system from either andromeda or sirius (sirius being the more likely of the two) from an force unknown, to us, at least. the alien 'grays' are also from the sirius system, though their homeworld was destroyed by war, and as they have lived in space for very vast amounts of time, they have been evolving to fit that environment: no bones, just a jelly-like mass of organs. so they abduct us for 'purer' sirius dna.
the tenth planet was known to the sumerians, because the last time it came around, the sumerians were still around, and they wrote about the experience (nibiru challenges the sun, jupiter fears it, the earth quakes, activation of volcanoes, etc., etc.) the annunaki ("those who from heaven to earth came", sumerian") came before their planet was due for its perihelion, and started a colony on earth. this was the first civilization, sumer. they soon set up another civilization in egypt, and later in the indus valley. they took primitive men and created a hybrid of themselves and primitive man, and called it the 'adama', or man, i believe, in sumerian (god made man in his own image) and set them the adama and other now modern men to work the daily tasks (god made adam work in the garden of eden..). the new humans learned quickly, however, and started dressing like their more divine, alien counterparts, and started speaking and acting like them, too (eating from the tree of knowledge). the humans were given more rights, and were no longer used strictly as slaves for forced labor, as would be the humane thing to do. eventually, as problems among the annunaki themselves became serious, the annunaki taught the humans how to farm (sudden neolithic revolution) and set up their own kingdoms (sudden 'birth' of civilization, though it had already been around as set up by the annunaki, only mostly wiped out by the great flood, which is a different story..).
thats how they set things up here. ever time they come around, they do something to us. most of the time they give us information (first homo sapiens, neolithic revolution, etc.), but the last time around, they nearly wiped us out with the great biblical flood. an ice age was ending, but the ice caps were still frozen over, the gravity of nibiru would surely pull them off into the ocean, causing massive tsunamis. the annunaki decided to let us parish, nibiru was approaching and they had to return at its perihelion or else be stranded for many thousands of years, and they wanted to 'clean up'. we were becoming 'evil' and 'corrupted' anyway, because some of the annunaki were having sex with the more primitive humans. the only reason we survived was that one of the annunaki, sumerian enki (EN.KI: "lord of earth") told one of his faithful followers of the disaster to come, and told him to build a submersible ship that can hold him, his family, his workers, and his farm animals for a good while (of course, this was against the will of his fellow astronauts). after the land was fertile, the 'gods' (the term 'gods' was not used by the sumerians, they did not see the annunaki as gods. the term 'gods' came around during the years of paganism, which only echoed sumerian and egpytian 'mythology'.)
thats a little info on the planet and the people from it.. there's tons more in sitchin's books. there's a link to his website on my profile. sitchin.com. this should interest you. it interested me that the woman told you not to worry. there's at least going to be *some* survivers of what's to come, and maybe no one will be harmed at all.
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Originally posted by Hephaestus
You'd be surprised at how unlikely 'intelligent biological' life can evolve on none Earthlike planets
hephaestus, you'd be surprised how *easily* life can evolve. you're under the spell of modern science. it is believed that all live requires oxygen, food, space, etc. it was also thought, until recently, that all life needed sunlight, too, until we found those underwater colonies of weird blind fish and plants that lived off of thermal heat.
robert bruce has even reported astral wildlife, and people experience negs all the time. is this not intelligent life? and it does not require oxygen or food, or at least the kind of food we think of. according to science, these astral beings can't exist.
here's the facts:
the only planet we know of for sure that has evolved life, is earth. therefore all of our experiences with life in the universe are based on this planet. science is such that it doesn't allow you to say "well, maybe there are more kinds of life than what is here on earth" without solid proof. obviously, we wouldn't know yet, since our space technology is severely limited. we're only now beginning to explore our neighboring planet mars from the surface.
also, there are more stars in the universe than there are grains of sand on all the beaches of the world combined. this, science has determined, and is therefore, relatively obvious. suppose every star or system of stars has planets. maybe just 1 or 2 planets. do you have any idea how many planets that is? and we only know of the ones in our system, and closeby systems that have big enough planets to see.
so no one knows. we don't even have the experience with alien life to *comprehend* what can and can't be done in the vast universe we live in. we're just exploring a corner of our own room, without knowing much about the rest of the house, and much less of our neighboring galaxies. science says its unlikely for intelligent life to evolve, because it needs proof for otherwise. yet here WE are, not knowing much about space anyway. we must be *really* lucky, huh? scientists (without the aid of the scientific method, or course) have showed how life can evolve even without the element carbon, of which every life form on earth is based on. they've shown on discovery how simple life can evolve from silicon..
be more open-minded towards life.
Nibiru, AKA Planet X, was supposed to arrive in May this year, according to several mediums, and at least one APer I know from another forum.
Take a look on usenet for zetatalk, and find out the gigantic flop when it never arrived.. says it all..
those sources have nothing to do with zecharia sitchin, whom i get my details from. like nay has said, there've been tons of 'end of the world' and such prophecies that have spanned all these last few years.
2012. 2012 is the date to look for, either for a perihelion, first sighting, etc. not really that soon, but soon enough.
as for the zeta site, those guys are full of crap. i would just stop visiting that site altogether.
Hi,
I'm sorry I didn't get the woman's name, but I will try to contact her again and maybe I´ll be able to get some more information then. I will keed you updated!
Thank you for the advice about Stichin's book and homepage,it seems really interesting!
Although she said we don't have to be afraid I got a slightly creepy feeling and somehow didn't trust her 100 %. I'm not saying she was lying, but I got the feeling that the return of the planet won´t be easy and it will test, challenge and affect us and the earth in many ways - both good and bad, but for a good cause. She didn't actually tell me this, though, that was just a feeling I got.
She was good to me, but somehow I felt like she was a bit proud. She looked me straight in the eyes, smiling, and I felt like she was somehow "checking" me up. Her pupil suddenly expanded until it almost covered the whole iris. I got a bit shocked, but continued staring at her and this surprised her a bit. I remember that I tried to make my own pupil expand as well, but I don´t know if I succeded. Maybe I did, and that was why she got surprised. I have no idea what all this meant.
Anyway, I will keed you updated and let you know if I get any more information about her or the return of the planet!
Love and light,
Zebrima
people have been worried about what the annunaki will do this next time around, whether they will help us or hurt us. a lot of prophecies point to not a total extinction of man, but a good amount of people are lost (1/3 to 2/3). overcrowding is a major issue here on earth, especially since we don't have enough for every single person.
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You have apparently picked up the planet X fantasy.
This was invented by Zechariah Sitchin, from reading ancient tablets
that he thought indicated the presence of another planet in ancient
times.
This was then woven into a schizophrenic fantasy by Nancy Lieder of
Zetatalk.com, a fantasy in which she imagines herself to be
receiving telepathic communications from Grey Aliens, describing
the approach of the planet. Fortunately her fantasy is full of very
specific astronomical misinformation, which enables us to determine
that there is no truth in it at all. I can do astronomical
calculations, and her figures are impossible. There is no planet X
approaching.
According to Nancy's information, it should now be more visible than Venus.
The world's amateur astronomers have been watching for it, there is
nothing there, and they have been snickering and laughing on
badastronomy.com. I believe some pictures sent to Nancy of this red
planet have been hoaxed to yank her chain.
What interests me is where you got this dream from. If you had the
dream after you looked for planet X on the internet, then you
merely wove what you read into a dream. But if you had the dream
before you knew about planet X, then that would be interesting
because it could suggest that you accessed the fantasy during
sleep, or whatever your experience was. I am interested in the
question of false information in the great beyond, and this would
be an interesting case of it. I think the great beyond is full of
false information, and Nancy has provided me with a really solid case
of it.
In other words, if our dreams or astral travel can directly access
people's misinformation, and present it sort of as if it were true,
that would be interesting.
If you ask me I think the Mayan Calendar doesnt represent any significant event, much like astrologers have the age of aquarius etc I believe the Mayans just broke up their civilisation into ages, 2012 will be the start of a new age, nothing will happen, its just like we calculate stuff like a millenium - we all thought its was the end of the world in 2000, it was just the end of 1 millenium and the start of another - the mayan calendar is simply something similar.
people thought 2000 was the end of the world simply because of the number 2000. the mayans and ancient mesoamericans were spawned from the first civilizations set up in asia and africa. in fact, there is a lot of evidence that the olmecs, from whom the incas and mayans descended, were indeed of african race. science doesn't accept this because they can't explain it, but their art shows distinctively african features. they even had toys of elephants, which are native only to africa and southern asia (india). how did they get there? the annunaki put them there. you can read more about that in sitchin's 'the lost realms'.
if you want to dispel sitchin's work simply because a maniac took it and used it, boris, you're going to have a lot of trouble [:D]
yes, noxerus, adama does mean earth in hebrew. the sumerians were masters of giving words double-meanings, and as far as influencing other languages, zecharia sitchin has offered key visual evidence in 'the 12th planet' that shows how other ancient languages were influenced by sumerian, at least with written text.
'adama' could mean both 'man' and 'land' at the same time. according to the sumerians, enki of the annunaki formed the first man from the clay of the earth, similar to the bible's tale. it is believed by sitchin that what this meant was that the first men were created from things previously on earth: primitive earth men, their 'flesh'. even the tale in the bible is being debated, as to what it meant to have man fashioned from the 'clay' of the earth. obviously the bible has been influenced by sumeria. by now, this, to me at least, is completely irrefutable.
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Originally posted by no_leaf_clover
it was also thought, until recently, that all life needed sunlight, too, until we found those underwater colonies of weird blind fish and plants that lived off of thermal heat.
Hello no_leaf_clover.
Would you please give some links to information on these underwater creatures?
Thanks.
Somebody on the last page mentioned that the sumerians knew about this 10th planet. I have also heard that. They called it Tiamate (or something very close to that) They said the earth was once hit by a huge celestial body. The earth, the 10th planet and the moon all came out of the mess. I saw it on the discovery channel a year ago.
tiamat was the planet that was destroyed, and became the asteroid belt. the 10th planet is nibiru.
no, celestial sounds i don't have a link. it used to be all over the discovery science channel, maybe you can still catch some info there. do a search on google or something ("discovered deep ocean sunlight" for a search, etc.). if you think i'm making that up, you obviously haven't been keeping up with science. did you know europe just recently launched another probe to mars, as well (www.space.com)? all sorts of wonderful things are going on [;)]
heres one of the first results from google. i'm sure you can find a lot more.
http://seawifs.gsfc.nasa.gov/OCEAN_PLANET/HTML/oceanography_recently_revealed1.html
Hi again,
For those of you who wanted a name from the woman with wavy, chestnut hair and the amazing green eyes, I'm not sure but it could be "Trina" or "Trianna", you might want to try that. And please let me know what you find out, if possible, I'm curious! [;)]
I know I've heard about a possible tenth planet before, but I've never been very interested in these theories before. I don't know why, but I assumed it to be even smaller than Pluto and never coming close to us anyway. I find it interesting that I, during my dream or obe, saw this tenth planet as very big and dark red, which (from what I've found out) is what "Nibiru" should look like. The next morning and day I thought a lot about the experience and then I started to think about the planet as "Nimbus", that was the name I got. Pretty close to "Nibiru"? [:)]
However, now I've read some other stories and theories about this planet and therefore I can't longer be sure what's coming from my own experience and what I got from being influenced by others. But all the things I wrote in my first and second posts are coming from my own experience – I'm not being influenced by other theories or stories that I know of.
Well, that's all for now...
Love and light,
Zebrima
i don't recognize the name trina or trianna, could be an addition to the royal line on nibiru. a few female annunaki names i do remember (as close as my memory allows) are ninki, ninlil (?), ninhursag, nanna or nianna (?).. maybe the last one is pretty close. look up 'sumerian gods' on google and look through the list of names that come up. those are the annunaki, the supposed 'mythology' of sumeria.
nibiru is actually believed to be 3 to 4 times the size of earth, though this subject has not been expanded on. it's enough to cause the activation of the ring of fire in the pacific; enough to pull our tectonic plates and cause earthquakes and volcanoes.
Perhaps the outside of the "planet" is nothing but a shell and the inhabitants live underneath? If the planet is 2 to 3 bigger than earth it would have to be made of different materials or be very hollow. Otherwise the gravity caused by such a huge object would have the result of making the aliens very short. If they breed with early humans then they must be also a type of human or have extremely advanced gene splicing techniques. I would also like to know what the do with all their time and why, if so advanced, they didnt leave some sort of sign on the moon or colony there?
Just some ideas to ponder on and shoot down :)
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If the planet is 2 to 3 bigger than earth it would have to be made of different materials or be very hollow. Otherwise the gravity caused by such a huge object would have the result of making the aliens very short.
not necessarily. animals on earth are not of a definite height because of our gravity, as an example. if the gravity of a planet put such strict guidelines on height, dinosaurs would not have grown much taller than us.
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If they breed with early humans then they must be also a type of human or have extremely advanced gene splicing techniques.
easier to look at it as us being types of them. but here's the whole story on that (and it's pretty long, and my own ideas are incorporated on the areas where sitchin won't go himself)
in the sirius, our type of life evolved (bipedal, carbon life that makes use of such things as potassium, and, btw, it is an enigma to scientists today as to why we evolved to use such obscure elements [;)]). one or more of the planets in that system harbored our type of life countless years ago. nibiru, our 10th planet, was probably once a part of that system until knocked out of orbit by some catastrophe. this was before life had evolved there, yet the 'seed' for life somehow got onto the planet, possibly by the grays or some other such race visiting/inhabiting it.
nibiru travelled through space the way a comet would for another period of countless years before (possibly thawing out and) coming into our system. it then took entered the orbit of an already-existing planet (tiamat) and destroyed it, crushing one half into orbit as the asteroid belt, and the other flew in towards the sun to become earth. this would explain the asteroid belt, the great pacific crater, and why both mars and the moon have craters dating back to the same point in time 3.9 billion years ago (the current leading theory on the latter is that a 5th terrestrial planet pushed debris out of the already-existing asteroid belt before going into the sun. this leaves the asteroid belt unaccounted for, as well as the elliptical orbit that planet would need. if the asteroids are ever dated somehow, scientists will most likely find that the asteroids themselves are about 3.9 billion years old.).
when nibiru destroyed tiamat, it transferred the 'seed' of life onto what would later become earth. as simple life and the later dinosaurs came around on earth, nibiru was evolving man-like creatures, possibly with help from the 'grays' (the grays, originating from the sirius system, had their homeworld destroyed eons ago and have been living in space as 'pirates', evolving towards a bag of boneless organs, as life in space causes. they abduct us and extract earth dna to help save their own race, since we are also descended from the sirius system.). by the time early man was evolving on earth (the dinosaurs may well have been purposely wiped out to start another bipedal chain of mammals, because it is unlikely a bipedal would evolve without such assistance.), the annunaki ("those who from heaven to earth came", the inhabitants of nibiru) were already becoming extremely advanced. they eventually tried to establish a colony on earth, but it ultimately failed, though they created a whole human race on this planet in the process.
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I would also like to know what the do with all their time and why, if so advanced, they didnt leave some sort of sign on the moon or colony there?
the annunaki, obviously, don't have the time to travel by spaceship *all* the way from nibiru while it's out beyond pluto, so they wait until it starts nearing, and then use nibiru's orbit to catapult them ahead of the planet, similar to the way we did to supposively get to the moon. they had to leave so that by the time they were done with their jobs, they could simply head out to the asteroid belt and land back on nibiru. however, a refueling is needed between earth and the asteroid belt where nibiru orbits for a few years.
water is becoming more and more important, as scientists are now looking at it as a rocket fuel. the annunaki already had water-propelled rockets by the time they were visiting us, and it is now known that mars has plenty of water in its ice caps, and is believed to also have large deposits of water under its surface. the annunaki used mars as a refueling station, and set up a small base there.
ever seen the face on mars? it is believed to be a trick of light coming in at a certain angle, but who's trick? the mound of dirt has *distinct* features of a face from above and side angles. did the martian 'mother nature' do this? not likely. also, the light trick does *NOT* account for the nearby pyramids. in recent photographs of the area, the pictures of the area where the pyramids were previously seen were GONE! the government DID NOT release them! here's an older one, showing the face in the background.
(http://www.alienwar.com/cydred.jpg)
hope that answers your questions [;)]
I think that Zechariah Sitchins work is interesting in his area of
competence, which is translating old tablets. But he is not an
astronomer.
Here is the problem I have with the idea of a planet in deep
space being inhabited. Deep space is so cold that atmospheres
become liquid. As far out as Pluto, the sun will appear to be the
same size as the planet Venus appears to us. The sunlight will be
more like moonlight. There will be no heat from the sun that you
can feel. And planet X would have to be way, way beyond Pluto to
have an orbit of the order of 3600 years.
We sometimes used liquid nitrogen in a lab that I once worked in.
(our atmosphere is 80% nitrogen). We sometimes just for kicks
dropped an artgum eraser into an insulated container of liquid
nitrogen. When the liquid stopped boiling, we would lift the eraser
out with tongs and drop it on the floor, where it would shatter
like a glass jar into a hundred pieces.
It would be completely unreasonable for a life form anything like
humanoid to choose to live under these conditions. There would be
no oxygen, because that needs plants to generate it, and plants
would not survive in the cold and lack of sunlight. The only heat
would be deep underground, so all civilization would be deep
underground and must generate its own oxygen by technology.
The obvious place to choose to live, in this solar system, is
planet Earth.
Also, these elongated, near-parabolic orbits are hazardous. A
slight deviation could cause the planet to crash into the sun,
instead of orbiting around it. We saw the comets that crashed into
Jupiter.
Zechariah's theories don't stand up against these considerations.
Thanks for clarifying your sources as being your own. This seems to
say that you can pick up anything, valid or not. What I am working
on is the problem of the reliability of information that comes from
the great beyond. Some of it is completely indigestible, some I may
have to accept because that is the way things seem to be. I am
trying to sort this out. The sometimes unreliability of the Ouija
board is well known, but I think these cautions also apply to
channeling and dreams.
on the left, you can even see what appears to be some sort of camp in between the pyramids.
here's the face from the side:
(http://www.mt.net/~watcher/marsfacx.gif)
here's a nice little comparison for you to make:
(http://www.mt.net/~watcher/mrfacesm.gif) (http://www.mt.net/~watcher/spinxsm.jpg)
close-up of a mars pyramid:
(http://www.mt.net/~watcher/marsdmpyramid.gif)
compare it to the ones in egpyt..
(http://www.mt.net/~watcher/giza3.jpg)
things starting to fall into place? eh?
boris:
there are two possibilities that i can think of by myself that would allow life on such a planet:
1) thermal heat - the core of their planet can still be active enough to produce enough heat to maintain life. this doesn't have to be as warm as it is near the equator to start a life cycle. nor does it have to be out in the open. it is very possible to establish cities underground.
2) greenhouse-like atmosphere - zecharia himself states that sumerian tablets point to the mission to earth being for gold for their atmosphere. gold would hold heat in for the surface wonderfully. if they could somehow learn to heat their own atmosphere slightly and have it last for long periods of years, this would be a great breakthrough on the planet, and they would be able to live in the open, shed clothes, etc. these are not stupid people. you just have to acknowledge that they exist.
here is the projected orbit of nibiru, based on a 3600-year period (with the possible deviations included! the planet will NOT randomly fly into the sun, just as we do not).
http://users.lycaeum.org/~martins/nibiru.html
as far as whether or not my sources are valid, my sources are mainly zecharia sitchin books. other than that, i put a lot of thought into other sources. the grays are incorporated into my beliefs from several sources, the main one being a site where the owner claims to have been mentored in the astral by enki himself, and that she has been to the akashic records several times for research.
a source for sirius is the dogon tribe of africa, who possess great astronomical knowledge, as they have for hundreds of years, of a star invisible to the naked eye (sirius B was only discovered in the 1970s, i believe). they even have calenders for a yet-undiscovered planet revolving around it. they credit all their knowledge to beings from the sirius system, and yet although they possess all this incredible astronomical knowledge, they are extremely primitive with many members still living in caves. explain how they knew such things.
The sooner people realise that life cannot exist on a 10th or 12th planet with a 3600 year orbit around the sun the better for there eventual learning. Some things although hard to believe can be believeable, but some things really need a bit of realistic thought - I dont deny the possible existance of a 12th planet but life could not under any realistic circumstances begin or evolve on such a distant planet from a star - being open minded is one thing but to go against the obvious and to go against common scientific sense is ridiculous.
Knowing the existance of astral projection and astral entities is one thing, but believing life exists on a distant 12th planet on OUR plane of existance and that they genetically engineered us is denying sanity.
denying sanity?
astronomical science is not set in stone. i check up on space.com for space news every day, and i've seen more articles of old theories being shattered than i have of new ones being introduced. 100 or 200 years ago, if you said man will walk on the moon in a hundred years or so, you might've been thought mental.
as i said in a previous post, life has been found underwater that doesn't even use the sun. if the sun suddenly died out without first expanding, etc., then those creatures would still live, unhindered. physical life is *not* dependant on warm temperatures or certain chemicals. it is dependant only on time. as long as there is enough time, life will evolve, given that the temperature is not at absolute zero (which, btw, is physically impossible to reach without some extremely advanced machine, etc.).
of course, the annunaki eat and breathe as we do. a combination of thermal heat and thick atmosphere is completely possible, though unheard-of for a planet that extends so far out. darwin's theory was unheard of and ridiculed. newton's theories were unheard of and ridiculed. so were gallileo's. i'm not saying sitchin should be ranked among these people, i'm saying that what we think of as possible and impossible are relative to the time period we live in. unfortunately, space and time are not always in accord to our technological understanding.
Zebrima: I'm not sure but it could be "Trina" or "Trianna", you might want to try that. And please let me know what you find out, if possible, I'm curious!
INANNA - aka INNIN - INNINI
The goddess Inanna (Innin, or Innini) was the patron and special god/goddess of the ancient Sumerian city of Erech (Uruk), the City of Gilgamesh. As Queen of heaven, she was associated with the Evening Star (the planet Venus), and sometimes with the Moon. She may also have been associated the brightest stars in the heavens, as she is sometimes symbolized by an eight-pointed star, a seven-pointed star, or a four pointed star. In the earliest traditions, Inanna was the daughter of An, the Sky, Ki, the Earth (both of Uruk, (Warka)). In later Sumerian traditions, she is the daughter of Nanna (Narrar), the Moon God and Ningal, the Moon Goddess (both of Ur).
For more information: http://www.crystalinks.com/sumergods.html [:)]
Yes, a couple months ago.
Love,John.[;)]
ah... inanna.. see, if i had my book with me i couldve named it right off the bat [:P]
Gravity does have a great effect on the height of things. Imagine if you had 2, 3, 4 G's on you right now. Now imagine the entire world felt like that. Because we have a lower gravity the dinosaurs were allowed to be a gigantic size. On a planet with 3 times our gravity I would assume that everything would be much shorter, if not they would be very muscular people indeed. We are smaller than dinosaurs because it was a more efficient design, mainly quicker reproducing times. Due to the event that caused the extinction of the dinosaurs all the large animals were destroyed and the smaller ones survived due to obvious reasons.
I dont know about that breeding thing you said. Just because things start out from the same root genetic structure doesnt mean that 2 mammals are genetically compatable.
Also 100 years ago is was popularly thought that a breed of men existed on the moon and Mars. Mars was believed to belong to an advanced civilization that had mastered very sophisticated canal techniques. These were seen 110 years ago and suddenly disappeared, was blamed on faulty glasses. These were mapped. Lights on the moon are seen today.
I'm not saying that this is not possilbe, the 10th planet and all but that it will be a hella hard place to live on unless the conditions are optimal. Ever read Giglamesh?
ive never read the whole translation of gilgamesh but i know what happens in it. gilgamesh is 2/3 divine and therefore wants immortality. he rapes young women to try to stay young, people complain, enkidu (a creation of enki) is sent down to teach him a lesson. they get in a fight and afterwards become great friends. gilgamesh goes to see shamash at the land of the shems to seek immortality, but a great machanical beast is in his way. right before he and enkidu are killed, one of the annunaki there shuts the metal contraption off and gilgamesh and enkidu flee. some whore 'goddess' then offers herself to gilgamesh, he refuses, she seeks revenge.. gilgamesh eventually winds up in the sinai/northern africa in a boat, enkidu dies, and gilgamesh is later denied immortality.
my point on gravity was that gravity doesn't really limit evolution, it just gives evolution something to work with. the annunaki are taller than humans by sumerian accounts. i guess when they mixed themselves with the shorter apemen, we got downsized. i don't know why they are taller when their planet is bigger, but evolution has apparently allowed them to be such.
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Also 100 years ago is was popularly thought that a breed of men existed on the moon and Mars. Mars was believed to belong to an advanced civilization that had mastered very sophisticated canal techniques. These were seen 110 years ago and suddenly disappeared, was blamed on faulty glasses. These were mapped. Lights on the moon are seen today.
i vaguely remember hearing such things before. that goes along with what i was saying about how things don't always fit perfectly into our scientific beliefs.
Hi,
I read about the sumerian godess called Inanna, and it seems like she has some interesting similiarities to the woman I saw during my dream or obe. I will comment some of them.
"She was gentle and loving, a source of beauty and grace. She was a source of inspiration."
This description fits well into the impression I got about her.
"Inanna could be wily and cunning. She outwitted both Enki, the God of Wisdom, and her dark sister Ereshkigal."
Although the feeling I got about her was mostly positive and loving, I felt I couldn't trust her completely, there was something about her that made me feel a little bit suspicious.
"Indeed, one aspect of Inanna is as the Goddess of Love, and it is in this aspect that she embodies creativity, procreativity, passion, raw sexual energy and power. "
The part about the eyes and the expanding pupils: I've thought a lot about that, since it was one of the more "dramatic" things for me during my encounter with her. I have two possible explainations: (If you have some more or comments about them, please let me know):
1) The expanding pupils is a part of the anatomy of the "higher evolved" gods or people of Nibiru. They are able to control their pupils and eyes, maybe this makes them see or sense things that people on earth are not able to see or sense - our eyes are not that developed. (Please compare with the biblic episode in Eden - where Adam and Eve eats the forbidden fruit and then they are "able to see things" they didn't see before). The expanding pupils was a way for her to a) check me out by gazing into my soul (because that was how it felt like) and b) demonstrate her powers and status as a "higher developed godess" . She got surprised because a) I didn't get scared or felt like I had anything to hide from her and/or b) maybe I managed to expand my pupils a bit as well.
2) The expanded pupils are related to sexual matters - if we see someone or something we like, our pupils expand. Her "passion, raw sexual energy and power" could somehow be related to her expanding pupils.
Well those are my comments for now...
Love and light,
Zebrima
Zebrima bor u i Sverige? Var i Sverige? [:)]
LapSiLap: Jag bor i Malmö...precis som du?! [:D]
I have heard about some of the Sumarian prophecies from a friend of mine last year. He went into great detail about how some of us are "more alien than others." He had also said that there are (certain people) who know a lot more than they are telling us. Who's to really say there isn't a 10th planet...I think most of us believe what we are told. (It could be "classified" information.) Life itself as we know it could be one big cover-up, to protect us from "freaking out." You never know. Haven't you ever felt as if something just isn't right?[8)]
I have yet to read the replies (there are 3 pages worth O_O) but here are my two cents for now.
Sounds like the Nibiru planet people have been talking about on another post. Those special comets could have arrived last night I think. All around the country, there were reports of "fireballs" flying in the sky. They were huge meteors/comets that sometimes gave off a brilliant blue-green color. Many reports were also heard coming from the US, so says this morning's paper.
So, is the prophecy true? I'm getting chills. I think I'll read as much as I can now and go do something else.
Later
-FT
awesome! [:D]
the debris ('fireballs') was created and sent ahead of nibiru during the first collision, which created the asteroid belt. there should be *craploads* of that stuff before and after nibiru drifts by. theres a good amount of it still hovering all around the planet. we might be discovering some new comets, too, with 3600 year cycles, if there's anything big enough to count as a major comet.
so if there are any new comet discoveries, and the comets are given something close to a 3600-year period, or no one can tell because of its huge orbit, then *i'll* be freaking out to! this is getting good. [:D]
If the aliens tried to inhabit earth once, maybe they'll do it again. Hmm... "War of the Worlds" comes to mind.
oh oh, what will happen if Niburu really comes? I've read somewhere that Earth will be affected by Niburu's gravity [:O]
nibiru's gravity is already affecting us. the ring of fire around the pacific is becoming more and more active as you read this. the tectonic plates are being pulled on.
they created us and let us live, so i dont think theyre going to wage war on us for control of earth.
"I had a family friend that would goto Zetatalk for kicks and giggles and she reported this schizo story before Sitchin ever wrote his books."
psi, your post was complete bs, almost in its entirety. sorry o.O. sitchin wrote his first book in 1976. i dont think the internet was even public at this point in time. there is no way zetatalk was around. you obviously dont know what youre talking about on that one.
as far as i know, no new planet has been discovered, either. pluto was in 1931.
the theory of universal collapse does not pinpoint 2012, either. it wouldnt be that sudden. 2012 is less than 10 years away. it was take much longer for the universe to collapse. plus, this theory is no longer the leading theory. the leading theory is now that the universe will speed off into oblivion at the speed of light, because dark matter is acting on the universe and pulling the physical apart in all directions *at an ever-increasing speed*. this means that eventually everything will being going at the speed of light in all directions, away from other mass.
i can't wait
[8]
Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't Tiamat the name of a huge giant dragon or something? Something to do with fire at least.
And grays. Could you expand on them?
This could be very interesting. The whole thing about Egypt was in my mind a lot during reading this post. The "higher" humans using the "lower" kind for slave labour brings to mind ancient Egypt, and those pyramids could be inspired architecture from the annunaki.
And about the name of this "goddess." Her name could quite well be Trianna. I mean, cultures change and so do languages. They don't have to be the same as the sumerians called them. In fact, the annunaki could have a number of dialects. Much like the Chinese have about 2-5 dialects I think, perhaps more??
I'd also like to know more about Grays. There was also some system I saw before in this same post called Pre~ something, forgot the name.
I don't like Grays. If I ever saw one my initial instinct would to beat the living crap out of it. But seeing as they've been around for ages, they could be shapeshifters like in the story of Roswell. Evil lil bastards.
I'm starting to get excited about this. This all links in to what kakkarot was talking about on the post in Prophecy and Divination. But then again I don't want people to die. What if people I know and love are destroyed? Would I be able to forgive the "gods?" What if it wasn't even their fault? Would I still blame them? Would I even be able to live without my loved ones??
In the end - I really want to meet them [:D]
Later
-FT
I also caught a glimpse of a documentary on discovery channel on this Planet X. There actually HAS been a sighting of another planet outside our solar system, quite possibly in our solar system but with a very odd shaped orbit. The sighting was by the hubble space telescope me thinks...but anyhoo there was about TWO other planets speculated/seen. Maybe the other one is a moon of nibiru or a really big rock in the cluster of meteors around it.
Later
-FT
yes, there is a great deal of debris still hanging around nibiru.
tiamat was a word first used by sumerians. if it appears again in history, it was either inspired from the sumerians or else totally unrelated.
the grays.. i can't expand on them that much. they came from the sirius system, or at least i believe so at this point in time. they were the forefathers of the annunaki, and therefore are forefathers of us. they spread their life seed onto nibiru, and nibiru spread it to us. either the annunaki or the grays had a hand in the evolution of life on earth, i believe, because it's just too much of a coincidence that bipedals started evolving after the destruction of dinosaurs, and all this evidence for aliens points to bipedaled aliens.
their homeworld (the grays') was destroyed in war. from what i've read, i take it they aren't an overly friendly race. not being able to find another suitable homeworld, they live as pirates in space, and have been for a good long while. they've been gradually evolving to fit an environment with a very limited amount of gravity (free space), which is a boneless bag of organs. so they're bodies are becoming weaker and weaker though they may be becoming more intelligent. to try and preserve their race, they take dna from earth beings, either human, bovine, pig, or anything close. not all abductions are real, but the hype started somewhere.
funny what you said about the egyptians.. egypt was the second colony established on earth (sumeria 1st, indus valley 3rd). though we still know little of indus valley, what we can read of their religion shows similarities with both sumer and egypt. egypt would later become enki's realm when the annunaki started feuding over territory on earth (this lead to them being brought back home by the leader of nibiru, anu).
the three major pyramids of egypt were built by the annunaki. the others are just poser attempts. there is substantial evidence that the 3 great pyramids were not of egyptian construction, but science refuses to accept this. the 3 main pyramids are the only ones without hieroglyphics. also, *none* of the pyramids were used as tombs. only intrusion burials were performed in any of the pyramids, when later rulers decided they wanted to be buried in the pyramids, and the pyramids were broken into and the pharoahs were laid to rest inside. NONE of the presumed creators of the pyramids were actually buried *inside* of them, but a burial grounds nearby. also, all the step pyramids were originally actual pyramids, but were made primitively, even *after* the main ones were *presumably* built. how would their technology decrease so rapidly? the egyptians themselves never had it. the step pyramids, btw, had clay laid on the blocks to make the triangular shape, while the 3 main ones used limestone which is still in relatively awesome condition today.
the annunaki used the pyramids as guides to sumeria/sinai. there was a large starport in the sinai peninsula, which was eventually nuked in the biblical upheavel of gomorrah (sp?) in which 'evil winds' of 'sulfur and fire' rained down on the ancient people. sounds eerily like a nuke, huh? and then there are those scorched rocks that can't be accounted for, as there are no nearby volcanoes, and the rocks are sedimentary..
the pyramids, when viewed from above or side angles, give a very good idea of which way you are facing. the annunaki used them to guide themselves to the starport, or sumer, depending of course on their destination. the sphinx rests almost exactly on the 30 degree line and points straight west, on the 30 degree line. the indus valley civilization is also almost exactly on the 30 degree line, and with a circle sized circle, you can land both sumerian cities and greek cities on the perimeter of the circle exactly, as well as certain mountain tops. all the angles of the ancient sites and their relativity to one another is freaky.. it's shown on the last few pages of sitchin's second book.
i have to contact this guys in the astral, if possible, before they come. i have to be spared! [:D] maybe i'll even be allowed to eat food from their home planet, thereby somehow extending my lifespan greatly. the ancients regarded this as the food of the gods; the food that made the 'gods' 'immortal'. the sumerians didnt actually refer to the annunaki as gods, just more spiritually advanced people that guided them.
theres still a lot of connecting i have to do. sitchin tries to stay reasonable, and sticks to his evidence. he doesn't venture into theories about the grays, etc., but they can be easily tied in. i need to do more research for myself. thanks for your interest, though, ft [:)]
this planet, why hasn't anyone seen it or reported it are the goverments of the world covering it up.With are telescopes we should be able to see it.
there have been plenty of photos taken of unknown objects (that cannot be identified as anything because of a lack of information), it's just a matter of identifying them. but this is where the problem is, because astronomers aren't looking for another planet. neptune and pluto were looked for, and were located through lots of astronomical calculations based on how some body beyond uranus was effecting uranus with it's gravitational pull. astronomers did the math, and then pointed their telescopes to where in the sky they thought these planets should be. then after finding several bodies, they studied them to see which ones moved, and then they had their planet. they weren't just blindly searching for planets; space is *much* too vast for that. nibiru will be found eventually, and probably by surprise.
if astronomers start looking for more planets, they'll automatically focus around/beyond pluto (that is where a conflict arises, as an unknown force is still effecting even pluto's orbit, and if you ask me, pluto never solved the problem of something acting on even neptune's orbit. neptune is much too big for little pluto to effect). even if they start noticing strange behavior on saturn and jupiter and the outer planets from nibiru's gravity, they still won't be looking for another planet within the orbits of our known planets most likely. it just wouldn't make sense for them. so don't hold your breath for the planet to be spotted and classified (correctly) by professional astronomers.
since you say they might destroy us could we first attack them or would that be really stupid.We need all they advantages we can get. Or should we go wiyh diplomacy and hope they give us pity.
they'll do whatever they see is in our best interest. like i've said before, overpopulation is a big issue, and we haven't been behaving ourselves, either, what with all of these wars and tragedies, like the 'holy wars', and the holocaust, etc. so i believe not everybody is going to survive their coming.
i don't believe there will be anything we can do. trying to attack them would be completely pointless. they will *not* attack us with spaceships and laser beams, etc., but will either take us out with an artificial asteroid or poisoning of the water (those are the two choices that make most sense to me).. i don't even think we can launch an attack on them. we have enough trouble trying to launch and land a rover on mars. this is a planet beyond mars in an asteroid belt. there will most probably be communication between earth and nibiru before they come. zebrima has already posted an experience that may have been with an annunaki earlier in this post (the original topic, in fact..). so they may giving a spiritually advanced few million people a head's up, at least.
don't worry about it. look forward to it. they're coming to help us. humanity has gotten itself into a mess, and they're aiding us. if they decide that we should slim our population down some, death isn't so bad, either. each person that does will just ascend into the astral, and will later ascend beyond that. so billions of people may be suddenly enlightened, while whoever's left are given responsibility for earth for the next 3600 years or so. things arent going to be so bad.
is that all?? o.o
i was just wondering are the anunnaki peaceful.once they take control will they set up goverments for us.Will it be a theocracy,democracy,dictatorship.God forbid a communist regime.or will they let us decide and screw up like we always do.
dude.. you should seriously read the books x.x.. you wouldn't have to ask so much if you did, man.
in the first book, sitchin explains that before the annunaki left earth because of their own feuding and problems, they set up kingdoms on earth and taught man how to farm and run civilizations, etc.
the annunaki have the same 'human' qualities as we do. they make mistakes, they cheat on their spouses, there are feuds between their families.. this is why they were eventually called back to nibiru: the planet was on its way back out into the far reaches of our system, and the heirarchy that they had set up for themselves was falling apart. so are they peaceful? it depends on what you mean. they may be more peaceful than we are, but im sure they have the occasional conflicts..
read the books dude! lol.. if you read the first book it would've answered most of your questions [:)]
if niburu is suppose to kill ppl we would have died 3600 yrs ago? [:)]
nibiru doesnt kill people (it's a planet), but last time it came around, people *did* die [:)]
nibiru is a planet. i was the annunaki might kill off a bunch of people, as this is what prophecies point to, and we *are* getting a little overpopulated and out of control, especially in the last hundred years.
last time it came around, the earth was wrapping up an ice age, and the poles still had a good amount of extra ice on them. when nibiru's gravity started effecting us, these ice caps had large portions pulled off into the sea, causing great tsunamis and storms (the biblical flood). ziusudra (biblical noah) was the only one to survive.
all of this has already been posted in this topic.. read guys, before asking questions. if you don't want to search through all 4 pages, do a search through the posts with the search engine provided for the astral pulse.
well, ziusudra and his wife and workers..
I'm looking forward to this meeting but I am really really scared that people I know and love will be killed (I know they will ascend to the astral but I would be so damned lonely without them, I could go insane!). Now I have the sudden inspiration to start practicing OBE again and try to get out there and meet these guys!!
I've always wished for the truth about religion, God, etc., and now it seems it's right around the corner o_o.
Later
-FT
hey fat turkey you said you didnt beleive in this... well i do too now this topic was and still is verry interesting and it gives me new reasons to train very hard and intensive but iam scared to die too and to see my friends die and all the people i love i just cant stand any other guys i lose anymore i cant stand that i just lost a friend in an accident he was my best and only ki teacher ver i will fight for him i will kick the butt of those greys and other aliens trying to harm us
Kiflarer, I said I didn't believe in any "demonic war." Who says they will die by fighting? Who says there will be any fighting in the first place? It will most likely be a geological event caused by the annunaki that we can't control. Or something like that. And grays? Yeah well it would be fun beating the pulp out of the bastards but seriously, they are masters of telekinesis (apparantly), I mean, there's gotta be a reason why their heads are so huge.
I admit however, I did believe there was a war coming for some time. But really when I looked at what I was feeling I only felt a strange presence, like something alien (not space-alien, just, outside the norm [:)]) was coming. Anyhoo I felt it would be significant, like most other people on the forums did (see kakkarot's post in Prophecy and Divination).
And when it comes down to it, I highly doubt that many humans would be able to fight the annunaki. Train as much as you want, I doubt you'll get ready in time.
I feel for your loss though. Losing a friend is extremely painful. About him being your only ki teacher though, I personally think that you should stray away from popular ki practices and look into the reality of things.
Later
-FT
yes they realy are masters at telekinesis but what if they have more powers i mean it also looks like they can control people minds and if they hav such huge heads and are that smart why dont they come up with the idea of getting their big jelly butt out of the world
Topic - "New" planet approaching ? My Channeled perspective.
Hi Everyone,
This is my first post on this site, having been recommended to it by a friend who is a member here - and I was attracted to this thread because of what I do..... You see, I am a channeler for the Pleiadians (like Barbara Marciniak, in her book "Bringers of the Dawn" - as distinct from Nancy Lieder, who channels for the Zeta Beings). Yes, the Pleiadians are also 'aliens', coming to us from the Pleiades constellation as their name implies) The messages I have been receiving by Telepathy this last 8 years on a regular daily basis - I have constant conscious (not trance) contact with my guide, KAREK - and she has been channeling through me information concerned with preparing people for what is yet to be in the dramatic changes the earth will soon undergo, as well as fitting together the 'jig-saw' pieces that other channelers as well as archaeologists, translaters of ancient texts and the like, plus many others in different fields, have been presenting to the world ever increasingly over the last 3 decades.
Surprisingly, there is a massive correlation of facts - considering each person making the revelations received, or facts unearthed, has in virtually all cases been working alone and independently. Even more surprising, is the fact that channelers especially (and many others too, from various fields) suddenly found themselves in the midst of new discoveries they could never have dreamed of - and in all the cases I have read of (which are many) they only LATER found out that others were discovering new frontiers of a similar awesome and devastatingly paradigm shifting nature. I too was told an enormous amount that I had never dreamed of even before, and I certainly had never heard of the word 'channeler' let alone what one of those did ! It was only after months of being given information by Telepathy on a daily basis (in sessions often lasting up to 12 hours at a time, in 'conversation' with my guide, me asking many questions along the way) that my guide asked me to go to a bookshop and pick a book (it seemed to me at random) from a bookshelf. What happened then was all the proof I ever needed (as if I needed any by that time, anyway!) - because, you see, I am Registered Blind and can only see clearly at 2 to 3 inches away from anything; from a distance I have no idea what subjects even there are on bookshelves and usually would have to ask the assistant to get me a book if I knew the title. But, in this instance, I was told by my guide to simply walk up to the shelf as she directed, pass my hand along until she said, "stop" - and then extract the book at my fingertips. The book I pulled out was on the very topic my guide had been discussing the previous night - and not only that but page after page throughout the book were things that I had already been told by my guide, and yet I'd never even been aware of the intricate details of Pyramid construction..... and up to the time of that information being relayed to me by Telepathy never explored that subject, nor had it crossed my mind to have interest in it. That 'process' - my guide talking about something and then my being told by her to go to a large bookshop the next day and select a book in that seemingly 'random' manner repeated the proof over and over again; what I was receiving in my head had been written about by other channelers and also was being explored by non-channelers who's findings very closely correlated with what I had been told by my Pleiadian guide. I obviously didn't NEED the books (it is extremly difficult for me to read anyway, and then only for very short periods - so I can't 'study' and learn the way that others can), but, as my guide explained..... my 'job' was going to be helping people to fit the pieces of the jig-saw puzzle together, and the books I could recommend to people therefore, since they contained the same (basic) information that was being channeled to me from Higher Realms, of Truth. My life changed completely in 1995 from when I became Telepathic - and it can never be the same again, because now I 'know' the Truth of what it's all about.
The majority channelers and other field workers, academics and 'researchers' were likewise, as I was to discover, initially awestruck themselves by this sudden change of direction in their lives and what they were starting to experience. Not only those who found they'd been 'chosen' as channelers by guides, but eminent professors, well respected academics and other 'career' people - mody risked their reputations (and credibility!) by telling people what they were discovering of things that rocked the establishment 'norm', or what they were having revealed to them even of other realms in such clarity and (as they subsequently found out LATER) close correlation with what others were bringing to light also.
So, as a Channeler, I can state here that what no_leaf_clover is saying about the need for people to read Sitchin's work is good advice - because Zecharia Sitchin covers most of the ground that is the background to all of what happened in the Creation of Man by the 'Gods' (the Annunaki), and a fair amount of information about the planet Nibiru which WILL return as it has done many times to our Solar System, but sooner than Sitchin is prepared to assert. Sitchin has his reasons for being coy on this, but as a Channeler I tell you that it will be soon - I have been given no 'date' for this, but my guide tells me that there is "just sufficient time" for what *I* need to do in preparation for its coming (personal preparations which I have well underway, as well as informing others in channelings concerning what needs to be thought about and discussed at this important time in earth's history). So, I applaud the enthusiasm no_leaf_clover is putting into the very informative posts he gives on this website, and my guide also is pleased with what is being written and discussed.
Regarding the Zetatalk website, and the channelings from the 'Greys' (or Zeta Reticuli, to give them their proper name). They do appear to have shot themselves in the foot, according to many skeptics who were waiting for such a slip as the 'failed' prediction date of May 15 for the Pole Shift. Even many 'ditherers' have started to doubt the truth of that forthcoming event. As I have said earlier, my guide has given me no 'date' for the Pole Shift - although, when that date was announced by Zetatalk, she did tell me it would NOT occur at that predicted time but that I was not to tell anyone this until now- and I was informed at that time by my guide KAREK simply this: "it will occur within the very near future however", and that - in her exact words - "All is going according to Plan". In that case, you might well be sensibly thinking, is it not madness to have made that 'prediction'? Because, anyone with any sense would realise that once the date has passed and nothing happened then the whole credibility of Zetatalk is questioned. The Zeta, and even Nancy would know that! So, why do it, why seemingly risk non-credibility? It has to be considered, that Zetatalk isn't just about the Pole Shift - it is about the background to it all, and a wealth of information about Density, other Dimensions, predicted increase in earthquake and volcanic action (all of which have come to pass, and all still increasing dramatically). The governments would seem to be playing this down, and little is reported in the Media, plus scientists twitch and squirm nervously as they deny any increase - but the ordinary people are beginning to find the information before it (mysteriously) disappears from websites, and many are reporting actual eyewitness accounts of horrific or extremely unusual 'events' that for some unknown reason are not making the News, I would suggest that readers who have not read other parts of that site check it all out - there is much much more than just Pole Shift information, and all information is valuable to the 'open mind'. There are several 'open minded' sites, such as Gibbon's Channeled Research site http://jump.to/gibbon (which has literally thousands of articles by independent researchers on all manner of related topics), plus www.poleshiftprepare.com (a UK website, formed several years ago). Even what seems obvious 'mis-information' to the person coming to these things for the first time, has its source in Truth. True, there are some sites out there that promote so-called 'channelers' who have personal monetary gain or 'esteem' as their motivation, and it could be questioned as to just how 'accurate' their channelings really are, for some that I have seen have insights that have obviously been 'gleaned' sporadically and in a somewhat 'foggy' perception that does not speak of clear channeling, and certainly not in those cases where there is 'exclusivity' and and air of 'secrecy' and above-others attitude... there is also the question of how much is just to attract the guilible by including words like 'chakra', 'Pleiadian', 'Beings of Light'. It is the overall content that counts, not the 'nice' window-dressing beguiling presentation. But, Zetatalk is NOT one such site; it has been in existence - and consistent - since 1995. So, the question for debate regarding the Zeta should be... WHY ? Why, why..... considering these Beings are the very same Beings as the I.GI.GI who witnessed the Flood at the time of Noah (to use one of his many names - since there have been several accounts from not only Sumerian and later Babylonian sources, but other cultures too; each has its version). The Zeta saw it all as the Flood happened (and, in the Epic of Gilgamesh, Inanna - who was aboard one of the spacecraft - cried out, it is reported, "Oh! My poor humans !" when she saw the effects of the flood); they saw from their spacecraft and are obviously therefore vastly more intelligent and evolved than Earthlings..... why should they do such a crass stupid thing as make one glaringly 'false' prediction, and risk the credibility of all the vast amount of information they have so far given to the earth via Nancy Lieder, their 'emissary' ?
I will tell you this, that although I am in no way connected with Zetatalk, do not channel for the Zeta (only the Pleiadians), I know how Nancy feels at each step - because in what I channel much is new, and challenges the 'norm'. Yet I speak out, because that is my 'job', given to me by my guide. If I do not speak the words given to me to say, then I am not a channel pure and simple. So, I tell what is asked of me to say. But, I wonder with each word what people will think. And I get flack from the skeptics, as Nancy and any other channeler does. We all do as we are asked, in giving information revealed to us, whether it is palatable or not. There are things, however, that I am told - and it will apply to Nancy Lieder also - which I am not permitted to pass on at a particular time. For a simple example, when I was told by my guide that May 15 would NOT be the actual date of the Pole Shift, but that people should be let believe it to be so, for there was a purpose behind that 'predicted date' given to Nancy to pass on - and, as it happened, the Zetatalk website subsequently explained the reason behind giving that date out (members can read all about it by visiting www.zetatalk.com and following the links after clicking on 'What's New' etc). There is also another, more subtle, reason I am permitted to reveal at this time - and it is this: Nothing is more inclined to get people talking and discussing than a 'scandal' or supposed 'fraud' - and the 'debunkers' are coming out in their droves now, from behind the woodwork. As KAREK told me, "All is going according to Plan"; there is a Higher Purpose behind all this, being played out by a combined 'Agenda' that is not obvious to the population at large on Earth - Thus, the saga continues, and many more interesting things are about to unfold. So, we shall see what the scientists have to say then, seeing as they are making themselves high-profile now on this issue of the Pole Shift.
Dealing with the point rased about 2012 and the Mayan 'End Time'. This refers to the end of the Grand Cycle, after millions of years the stars will at that time have made a complete revolution round the Great Central Sun - this is the culmination of many 'cycles' (known as the various 'ages of Man') that the Mayans knew about - because it was revealed to them by the Pleiadians who are the keepers of the Akashic records and the 'birthers' of evolutionary leaps into higher dimensions. What 2012 is about is the sweeping-hand of the Photon Band fully engulfing earth in its cosmic energy at that time, which will have great impact on the genetic structure of our bodies as never before in the history of Man. We are children of the stars, and we are now 'coming of age'. The process of the earth's ascension from 3rd Density will be ready for the 'birthers' (the Pleiadians) to play their part at that time. Until then, the Pleiadians are here to oversee the 5 groups of Beings from different parts of our galaxy in what they do, and all of which actions (plus what is revealed by channelers) have to conform exactly to the rules of the 'Agenda' approved by the Galactic Council, for the good of Mankind - and, in fact, this 'policy' has been in force since the dawn of Man, to the effect of 'Non Interference' directly in Man's evolutionary stumblings, but only guiding and promting in the general direction. Generally speaking, it is for Man to make his choices - so there is mis-information along with the Truth..... were it not so, then there could be no choice to make. Without Darkness (ignorance) there can be no searching for enlightenment, without the notion of 'evil' there can be no concept of what is 'good'. So it is, that the seeds are planted, and the Harvest will be reaped when the time is right - and that time is soon coming. For this reason, we should encourage all to be 'open minded', to be inclusive rather than exclusive, to reject nothing per se but to examine and question everything with a positive attitude. But, most of all, to follow our Intuition, at whatever level. Only In that way can we arrive at the Truth, for the gems of Knowledge are often hidden in the mud of Man's confusion and his reluctance to be 'open' to all possibilities. Man has continued instead, over the centuries, to be more and more 'conditioned' by society's 'norms' as laid down by those who have attained prominence, and 'norms' are espoused especially by the Scientists and their 'closed world' views (now many of these so-called 'experts' are even saying that the Pole Shift can not happen, or that if it did it would be so catastrophic that it would extinguish all life and vegetation on the planet - this despite the indisputable evidence that science has discovered in rock-strata showing quite clearly that at regular times in earth's geo-history there is the imprint of polarised molecules due to magnetic influence - pointing, in each of these strata found, towards the direction of the then differing North 'Pole' at each period, along with evidence of fossils and vegatation surviving it.....contradictory to what the 'mainstream' wishes the people to know, and so we have many cover-stories, such as 'global warming theories' to explain away what is being increasingly found and which demands answers).
So, yes - there will be a Pole Shift soon; that my guide assures me. And there will be a considerable number of survivors, except in places where there will be massive Tidal Waves and the most violent earthquakes - that is why the Zeta are informing of 'Places of Safety' and what steps to take for the best, before and after - that is their 'job' at this time, to give the information that is needed, since government have no intention of even commenting. What will not survive will be the present 'economic' system - all that will be swept away, due to a complete collapse of this civilization's 'linear' based' infrastructure. And the world will return to a 'cyclic' way of life, peaceful small communities. So, do not worry, for with each end there is a new beginning; a New Dawn is breaking, it's first glimmer showing even now. Now is the time to draw back the curtains of conditioning, the world has been asleep so long and in the darkness of ignorance in their 'closed world' view of seeing themselves as the only species created whilst, in reality, they have not yet reached the door of the kindergaten play-room that we call Earth. Time to Awaken - we are truly children of the stars, and our 'parents' are out there waiting for us now to emerge and examine with an open mind and heart as that dawn sheds light on a new perspective in Man's evolution !
With Pleiadian Love and Light,
MAYATNIK
Your right no-leaf, it was complete BS, I was talking about the wrong author and book [xx(]. Basically i was talking out of my butt on that one, sorry about that. But I am going to stand my ground on the new planet that is coming towards our solar system. THAT i am sure of. As for the universal theory, Ill admit this, it is a THEORY, meanign possibly wrong [|)] Anyway, swallowed my pride on that one[:I] Oh well, im leaving this topic before I say something stupid/misinformed to get me yelled at again [:(]
Why doesn't someone project into space and see this planet for themsleves?
you got balls psi. figuratively, of course, if you're female [:)].
yay for mayatnik [:D] and what he says about sitchin not pin-pointing the exact date is true. i might have to go back and do a little more research on that date.
and combat skills... thats exactly what im planning on doing when i start obe'ing. so just sit tight for now unless somebody else has already been there and has some info.
any new info onthis subject, anyone?
i haven't heard anything new but i've heard some new concepts towards it.. due to recent events regarding debris, fluctuated storm systems, and unknown object spottings, and what mayatnik has posted, 2012 seems a big too distant for nibiru's arrival. nibiru may be here as soon as 2005, but no one can be certain.
in the 'demonic war continued' topic in the energy development board, vikram's been posted things that point at nibiru being the anti-christ. now, i'm atheist.. but i guess that doesn't matter to the anti-christ [;)]
if this planet is coming prepere i know alot of people say its peaceful but just remember people lie. it could be pure good or pure evil, it could even be aloud of bs so just prepere (just incase)[xx(]
We are all fools, if you didn't create the universe, then you don't know what is and what isn't....therefore the only logical thing to do is prepare ourselves for all possibilities and wait it out.....does anyone know how to get rid of these damn popup ads?????
Wow! I just checked the readings on this post, almost thirteen hundred. Didn't realize so many of us are expecting the End of the World.
Mirador
talking about the end of the world, I love it when my mentor pointing to all the children around with a big smile cracks: 'do you still think the world is coming to an end?
Mirador
you may have noticed the views but did you read through all the posts? i dont really think any of them said anything about the world 'ending', per se.. must post [:P]
"this planet, why hasn't anyone seen it or reported it are the goverments of the world covering it up.With are telescopes we should be able to see it."
The tenth "object" was first discovered in the 70's. I call it "object" because at that time there was 2 views on what it could have been. Because of its huge size some astronomers believed it to be a small sun (a brown dwarf to exact), however others believed it to be a large planet because a brown dwarf would give off light... which this object doesnt.
The Russian government have discovered (I dont know when) a metalic structure thousands of years old and is directly linked with this 10th planet (I dont know exactly how). This structure is in an area covered with lethal amounts of radiation which is probably why it is only a recent discovery.
Just thought i'd add something...
ON THE SUBJECT OF NIBIRU
- and a very recent request for information by No Leaf CloverNo_Leaf_Clover (writing in the <QUESTION FOR MAYATNIK> thread) had expressed "extreme interest" regarding what Karek might be willing to reveal through myself using the Pendulum on the subject of Nibiru, Mayatnik has informed me.
Because Mayatnik is not now available to respond directly, I have been selected by his guide Karek (who is now working directly with me) to answer all enquiries using the Pendulum, through which Karek replies since I do not as yet have telepathic ability like Mayatnik does. Mayatnik can simply channel the information, whereas I have to use, , the Pendulum to ask numerous questions in order to get the 'picture' in answer to an enquiry posed by a member. This obviously takes much time, since the whole purpose of using the Pendulum is not to just 'accept' an answer as definitive but to continue questioning untill a good overview is obtained that I can then present to the reader both as a 'lesson' in how to question and also give the useful information that is the result of that session. – that is my assigned task by Karek for my present work here on this website.
In view of the fact that the question concerning Nibiru is a big one, covering many aspects for the reader to assimilate in order to get a good perspective on this, Mayatnik suggested that he could save me much time by himself researching links to websites where I could then use the Pendulum to form questions based on the texts there. I left this then to him in the meantime, saying that I would look at the data on those sites when he had made a list of them.
Mayatnik then proceeded to do this, but it was not untill over 2 hours of work later in compiling this list that he happened to notice the post by No_Leaf_Clover in <QUESTION FOR MAYATNIK> had by this time been deleted. Karek is not pleased that, after the amount of time involved already in this work, the question posed with extreme interest has been withdrawn, especially since many hours of further work had been planned to be willingly undertaken.
As a result, Karek has decided for information to be posted here, in the <"New" Planet Approaching> thread, for the benefit of members in general.
However, she does not consider it appropriate (since this is not a Pendulum related thread) to give an extensive Question/Answer session (any members interested in learning to use the Pendulum are referred to the appropriate threads in the Consciousness section:
<AND THE TRUTH SHALL BE KNOWN – You'll see!>
(for Pendulum instruction)
and <QUESTION FOR MAYATNIK>
(for questions to put to the Pendulum)
Instead, a wide cross-section of links provided by Mayatnik are listed below for the readers to investigate themselves. These links cover both websites that are skeptical or negative, and websites that are Informative with a great deal of positive background that will give an unbiased picture. This is a Free Will World, the Pleiadians inform us, and so all is allowed and should not be restricted from viewing. It is for the reader to make up their own mind, and this can only be done by reading as much as is available with a positive attitude. So, thanks to Mayatnik, here is an excellent resource list of websites and articles on the Internet:
(below this is a short Q/A session – so before you jump to the links you may find the Q/A session beneficial for your exploration)USEFUL WEBSITE LINKS TO INVESTIGATEGIBBON's CHANNELING RESEARCH SITE
http://home.tiscali.nl/~gibbon/ ...also: http://jump.to/gibbon
This is an excellent well-established site in the Netherlands (where Free Thinking is not repressed) and has hundreds of articles not only from Channeling sources, but also scientific and archaeological and other disciplines that give a wide unbiased picture for the reader who wants to know the Truth.
The website main page gives a 'menu' of links to articles, such as:
Digitaria, Sorghum, Nibiru and Earth (see also *extract* below)
http://home.tiscali.nl/~gibbon/digitaria.htm
which in turn contains links to further relevant articles on Nibiru (in this case), such as:
Dogon and Sirius
http://home.tiscali.nl/~gibbon/dogon.htm
Enki and Enlil – and the possible beginning of Mankind
http://home.tiscali.nl/~gibbon/enki_enlil.htm
Solar System
http://home.tiscali.nl/~gibbon/solarsystem.htm#vibrani
The "GIBBON's CHANNELING RESEARCH SITE" is the definitive site used by serious researchers who can then follow up the many references clearly given to reliable sources such as books and University Articles elsewhere.
The 'official' website of the Zeta Reticuli contains all the background to their involvement with the Earth at this time approaching the Pole Shift – not only Nibiru, but all aspects surrounding this event (where the governments stand in all of this, plus full details about 'density' [4th to 6th Dimensions], and how teleportation and other higher technologies are used plus much more, so worth a good reading through the whole site to form a comprehensive picture.
ZETATALK Website (and it's associated site "Troubled Times")
http://www.zetatalk.com/
The Zetatalk main page lists links down the left-hand panel to main sections. Along the top are links to update sections, and the main page itself is in the form of a summary with embedded links. Each link leads to a further page, a short article relevant to that topic (again with embedded link-words that in turn give onto another page of explanatory text). Thus, the very large amount of information on the Zeta website is very easily accessible at a click of the mouse (the browser's back-arrow can at each stage return the reader to the previous higher-level page in this well thought out menu system).
POLE SHIFT PREPARE website:
www.poleshiftprepare.com
This well established website gives balanced information and editorial updates, plus scientific information and survival tips along with links to suppliers of items that will be vital in a forthcoming catyclism of whatever magnitude.
Yet more websites - here three of many such 'general' sites in this area:
CRYSTAL LINKS website:
http://crystallinks.com/nibiru.htm
PLANET X – (from "Choices for Living" website)
http://www.choicesforliving.com/spirit/planetx.htm
EARTHFILES Website
http://www.earthfiles.com/news/news.cfm?ID=483&category=Science
While it may seem a shortcut to just jump to the sites listed below that are in opposition to the ones above to look at what the opposition call the nitty-gritty, it is worth mentioning that such sites only talk about a very small area of the whole subject whereas the above sites give a very broad picture and therefore put it into perspective since much that is discussed is far above the level of what is known by science, so the reader is advised to read as much as possible.
DENIAL OF NIBIRU AND THE POLE SHIFT websites:Several websites have sprung up to throw scorn and skepticism on the whole thing and to denounce it. These such are mainly 'science' oriented (based on their current knowledge, and pushed by the 'establishment' – although Free Thinking scientists have broken away from the restrictive science-dogma). One of the leading adherents to the 'science based facts' in the "this can't be possible" camp, is Tim Goodness who gives links to sites that advocate such thinking – and these are listed below for the reader to peruse (the Pendulum will be found especially useful in checking 'facts' on these sites).......
TIM GOODNESS LINKS: Planet X web sites:
Dr. Philip Plait's web site, Bad Astronomy:
http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/index.html
Planet X and the Pole Shift:
http://www.planet-x.150m.com/index.html
XFacts, Planet X page:
http://xfacts.com/planetx2003hype.html
REGARDING THE PENDULUM.....PLEASE NOTE: If any readers feel, in their perception, that the Pendulum is an unreliable tool for Divination of Truth, then apart from the hundreds of years that it has been consistently used with proven accuracy by Dowsers, the <AND THE TRUTH SHALL BE KNOWN – You'll see!> thread was set up for [I[INSTRUCTION[/i] in its accurate usage, and quite a number of members are now gaining skill in its use by following the guidelines given in the thread. But, if any member nevertheless feels strongly against its use (and a full carefull reading of Mayatnik's posts and other positive contributions in that thread is essential to understand what the Pendulum is really all about), then they are, of course, free to express this. However, I would respectfully suggest that the best way to do this is not by disrupting the positive flow of the thread and the progress of those who are keen to follow the Pendulum course set out in that thread and for which purpose it exists. Rather, it would be far more usefull to all if such dissenting members were to start their own thread to debate this, since the Pendulum thread by Mayatnik is NOT a debating thread but an Instruction thread and its efficacy to members is prevented by such negatively inspired intrusion, so for the benefit of all a separate thread by and for all such objectors is the best way forward for Free Will to be preserved. Mayatnik would not dream, for example, of intruding into such as a Psychic Defense topic to denounce or otherwise seek to demean it – as there is a purpose in everything, and a place for everyone to pursue their path of enlightenment without oppression. The only reason why this post is here in another section is purely to give POSITIVE reinforcement to the topic that this particular thread here discusses (hence the links to useful websites, and minimum Pendulum divination given). It is up to the reader therefore, on a take it or leave it basis, whether they wish to follow the links or indeed take any notice of the short Pendulum Q/A session given below and which offers further enlightenment.
QUESTION – ANSWER SESSION follows:
(I am permitted to use the Pendulum to talk to Karek directly)Have you, Karek, asked for this post to be set out in this way?
YES
Was it your intention to give answers on the subject of Nibiru?
YES
I understand that you have since decided that readers should investigate this for themselves in the main. Is this so?
YES
Is this since the question by a particular member was deleted – effectively withdrawn – and other factors at this time?
YES
So, as a result you are not prepared to go into detail regarding what I might have asked concerning Nibiru?
NO
But, may I ask a few very general questions?
YES
And you will decide which of them I can make known?
YES
[I then asked a number of questions, and the ones I am permitted to use here are given below]Does Nibiru exist?
YES
Do the ancient texts speak about its coming in those times?
YES
So those texts were accurate in their descriptions of this event. Is this correct?
YES
And is it on it's way again?
YES
Will similar events follow as described on the Zeta website?
YES
Will there be a Pole Shift?
YES
And there will be large-scale, Richter-15 earthquakes, , plus volcanic activity, in certain areas as detailed on the Zeta website?
YES
..... and Tidal Waves?
YES
Is this what happened at the time of Noah and the Flood?
YES
So, people can read about this to prepare, if they choose. Is this correct?
YES
Is this why the above links have been given at this time?
YES
Will there be mass panic at the time of the Pole Shift?
NO
Will people get adequate warning as the time approaches?
YES
So, they will know for sure?
YES
I understand that there will be 'signs' – as was given in the ancient texts, and has been further explained on the Zeta site – to indicate the time-frame of events. Is this correct?
YES
So, people can read and prepare?
YES
Are you willing to permit me to share any further information you have provided me with on the subject of Nibiru? NO
But you had intended for me to share much more of this information prior to the post by No_Leaf_Clover being deleted? YES
It appears to be quite obvious that certain individuals are not happy to see the pendulum being used by members in a positive way to discover the truth for themselves? Is this the case?
YES
Neither MAYATNIK or myself have tried to discredit Psychic Defense or Astral Projection. Nor do we intend to.
NO
Thank you for your responses, Karek. Is this reply ready to post now?
YES
With best regards,
Dave
it seems that i have irritated either you or karek or both by deleting my post, yet you didn't seem to be curious as to why.
i noticed that you had edited your message and included how long it took you to get your answers, and this was after i had posted, so i took it that you were saying you'd rather not, etc. i guess i should've just gave you time to reply specifically to my post. so i was doing it out of respect for you after misinterpretting your post. i apologize for any misunderstandings i might have caused.
at least your post is now located under a thread that matches its contents. [:)]
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thanks for posting the session. i was curious about more specific things, but i guess i blew that! the confirmations do help narrow down the theories, though, which there are many of with many variations. thanks again.
Hi again,
I thought it was about time to give a new reply to this post, since I haven't written anything for a long time although I've followed this post carefully the whole time.
First of all, I would like to point out that I don't think there are any complete answers to the more specific questions we have about Nibiru yet (for example when, where, how), one of the reasons is simply because we are not ready to hear them yet. There is still time, and it's not time for us to get that information yet, everything will come to us eventually when the time is closer. We have all been preparing ourselves for the return, although most of us without knowing, and the main thing we should all focus on right now is to continue to educate ourselves, investigate and prepare "body, mind and soul", but focus on the mental and spritual part.
We should remember, that most people don't even know a thing about Nibiru yet, or decide not to believe it or not to be interested in it. This is all in order, this is according to plan, there is still plenty of time left for them and their chosen path. For some of us who know about Nibiru and take time to prepare, investigate and take interest in the planet, our task will be to help, prepare and inform other people when the time is closer. This could be limited to our closest friends and family, but it could also be larger groups of people. Right now, we should just focus on learning and sorting out the information we receive. That's why some people think everything about this planet is rubbish, but still take a great deal of interest in it, spending much time reading, learning and investigate. This is the way for them not to panic, stay calm and focused, prepare themselves and try to get their own opinion about it.
The main things we should all keep in mind is indeed not to panic, stay calm and focused, prepare ourselves and try to get our own opinions about this. We need not to believe anyone expect ourselves and we need to be true to our own feelings and senses about Nibiru. There is a pure and higher meaning of the return and we can't stop it, and we really don't want to either - although the return may in many ways be frightening and seem "bad", the worst thing we can do is to panic and spread fear. This is another reason we don't get any clear answers about when, how, why, where etc. the planet will return.
I will share with you some of my thoughts and the information I've received, but please take your time evaluating it and then make of it whatever you want – I don't even know myself yet if this is what I believe, I just know that these are the feelings, information and thoughts I've got so far in my preparing process. It may very well change and the reason I want to share it with you is because I believe we have to inform and help each other as much as we can. But we still need to be critical to whatever information we get.
"Nibiru is on the return, but it will still take approx. 2 more years until this will be completely "confirmed". The return of the planet is a complex and long-term process, which won't be over in let's say a month or even a year. It will affect us in many ways (and it already has). The first phase of the return is the longest one and it's the phase going on right now. It's the phase of preparation. People, the earth and the universe have been preparing for at least 100 years for the return.
The second phase is coming up and this is the phase of confirmation. In this phase, it will be confirmed that Nibiru exists and that it's on it's way. There will be no way to deny it, we will even be able to see Nibiru clearly in the skies. This can be a very dangerous and frightening phase. Panic may occur and people might change their behaviours, personalities and their manners in a negative way. The earth will be affected too, but not as much as in the third phase. The second phase will last for about 3 years.
The third phase is the completion phase. This phase is violent and affects the earth in many ways. It's during this phase that the predicted earth catastrophes, like floods, storms and quakes, the earth stop rotating and the pole shift will occur. It will be devastating, but it's no elimination. It's the beginning of a new world, a new phase (phase 4?) we have all been preparing ourselves for and looking forward to. This phase will alltogehter also take about 3 years, everything will not happen at once. At the end of this phase, the new earth will be created, and there will be peace and harmony."
We need to remember that we can affect these phases ourselves, primary the first and second phase. The outcoming and result of the second phase is in many ways connected to how we coped with and what happened in the first phase. I get the feeling that phase 2 is some kind of test of the humanity. It shows our true selves and if we cope well in this phase, this is a positive thing. Maybe this will also make the third phase less scaring and violent.
I haven't got much more information for you at this time. Details about what will happen during the second, but mainly the third (and fourth?) phase, are not given to me yet. But I get a feeling that we will somehow establish contact with Nibiru and other living forms (aliens?) at the end of this phase.
The vikings' myth about the destruction of earth, called "Ragnarok" has many similarities to the return of Nibiru. If you didn't know this already, then you might find it interesting to look up. I believe there is some information about it on the Internet.
Love and light,
Zebrima
I remember reading something about a new planet being discovered. If I remember correctly, there were two articles about a month ago - one in our local newspaper and one in our national newspaper (Canada - Globe and Mail).
I tried doing a search on the net and here's what I came up with:
http://www.nasa.gov/home/hqnews/2003/jul/HQ_03234_Oldest_Planet.html
http://hubblesite.org/news/2003/19
Linda
that planet, of course, isn't in our solar system, but a nearby one that's just close enough for us to see a planet like that. as far as the dating goes..
there was some controversy when nasa said it was the oldest planet and gave such old dates, too. not saying it wasn't really that old, but maybe it wasn't. who knows..
http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/oldest_planet_030711.html
Zebrima just to say thank you for posting/creating this topic i know exzactly were you are coming from, the lady you saw in your dream was a "Masked" version of Earths secret friends (so's to speak) and your correct there is a plannet aproaching but it will not collide with earth it will JUST miss us and rip the north pole and south pole out of allighnment leading to the hour of change were all our continents will rip out of place and give earth a huge make over...
You are quite correct this "problem" keeps ocoring every 2000 odd years (hence storys like noahs ark). you are recieving thease dreams because you are part of a large group of people who will be kneeded after the dissarstar to help show others the way. i would just love it majorly if you could contact me, i will assist you in your awakening (not long now)
Its just sad that many are going to read this and think nothing about it, just carry on and sighn me off for crazy. sadly theres nothing i can do to prove such avents for but when its to late, i can asure you i have been assighned a specific guide to train me at the moment for thease avents and have had many dreams and visions, and please dont sighn a "vision" off for imagination. a vision is more real than "real"
Im not implying you go run around like a headless chicken (why spoil your day [;)]) but go by a tent and be ready, and when you hear thos funny news reports, go to the country side (safest place to be) and if you live in america dont exspect your goverment to help you, they know whats happerning and have scraped all possible solutions because there are none (infact theve made lovly little bunkers for themselves lol-how cosy) and when it happens get AWAY from the sea
I can only Hope that you see this post Zebrima and you contact me fru the contacts on my profile
There is alot more regarding this topic of course that id be happy to discuss with anybody who is concerned, so please do not hesitate to contact me and ask what you like...(what iv said is merly the tinyest drop of infomation of whats going to happen)
Thank you very much for your time
With Pleidian love and light
Samuel xxx
You know, I feel really depressed now...
Why do I always believe what I read?
Yes, im scared now.
Faceless, jc84corvette,
what is there to be afraid of? I understand that all these prophecies, warnings, all this talk about disasters and difficulties can be quite confusing and depressing.
Is there a need to be scared because of what you read? Think about it.
If you accept the information that something big will happen, but you take only the fear part of it you are missing the most important thing: people all over the world want to know what exactly will happen. They are investigating, they are questioning, they are trying to find out how to help humanity. If something happens, there will be help available.
My approach to life is: do the best you can, have hope instead of fear, question and try to understand, feel that immortal spark of life deep down in you. If you have a good heart it doesn't matter at all if Niribu's coming or not. Do you understand what I mean? It makes no difference at all.
With all my love,
Edi
geez, this is gonna be amazing... i can't deny i'm afraid, but not for losing my own life as much as losing the lives of those i love....however, i am wondering, as far as preparation goes, what should i do to prepare? should i buy a lot of water, food, etc...and retreat to one of the 'safe spots'? and where would the safest places be based on your theories/opinions? whether something happens or not, i don't wanna be caught unprepared.
for any skeptics out there, i was just told that the mayan calendar has never been wrong and even predicted 9/11: "And from the great sky will come the falling of the first great giant next his brother will fall before he hits the ground". they even predicted the day. and it says that nibiru will come in 2023! that's 20 years from now and will take 5 years to pass by....20 years isn't too far away...just thought i'd add my 2 cents[|)]
dark, i've heard those same rumors, except i heard they were from nostradamus. i've also heard that they were completely fictionous. i'm not saying what youre saying is either true or false, but i'd be careful of what i believe.
ps.. i noticed this topic was moved down a forum to astral experiences. wouldnt it be more along the lines of prophecy? though the original post was an astral experience, it's also a prophecy. just read the content of the experience itself. and that's to mention (until now [:)]) that the next 5 or so pages of this topic also deal with our future and the possibility of a forgotten planet coming back to play a big spiritual role in our region of the galaxy. mayatnik even had some channeled info for us.
I read the first three pages and I hope this wasn't brought up in the last three. I was wondering, with this idea that the annunaki created us, is there a God?
no_leaf_clover: dark, i've heard those same rumors, except i heard they were from nostradamus. i've also heard that they were completely fictionous.
the 9/11 thing did sound a *bit* fictitious i suppose, but thanx for clearing that up for me![8)]... i've only heard of this entire thing today, although now i'm reading as much as possible on it! but i did also hear that the mayan calendar has never been wrong..is that true? (i apologize if that's written elsewhere)...anyway, no_leaf_clover, you do seem to be the expert on this, hehe, so i value what you have to say! thanx!
np, dark.
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I read the first three pages and I hope this wasn't brought up in the last three. I was wondering, with this idea that the annunaki created us, is there a God?
actually, zecharia sitchin himself is jewish. [:D]
now, sitchin is not a spiritual man by any account. he's just an archaeologist/linguist, or as he prefers, a reporter (and he
was a reporter for many years in israel), but his personal beliefs are that god is what kept us from being destroyed in the flood, etc. ..the annunaki created us (or 'edited'.. that word fits the situation better) for physical labor, but as god had planned out, according to sitchin's personal beliefs, we became civilized and the annunaki eventually had to abandon us by god's great plan or something or other... so the annunaki may have thought we were just slaves created for them, but we were meant to be created and were meant to be a separate race.
those are just sitchins own religious beliefs as well as i know them, and not something he stresses as much as he does the sumerian evidence for extraterrestrials, etc. (i only found sitchin's beliefs after browsing his website), just as an example of how you can have both 'planet x' beliefs and still be a monotheistic christian/muslim/jew at the same time.
and just for the record, i myself am atheist, so if any of those ideas make you wonder, i won't necessarily be able to help you. i think someone needs to update archaic sumer's 'mythology' so that they're practical and accurate for modern times [8D]
If this planet can hardly be seen right now than how can it be coming soon? If this is the case then wouldn't it only be around a VERY short amount of time?
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If this planet can hardly be seen right now than how can it be coming soon? If this is the case then wouldn't it only be around a VERY short amount of time?
thats a good point, and im beginning to lean towards the theories that say it won't be around for years and years after thinking about it for a while. i don't know if i would say it won't be in our lifetimes, but though it's moving at an ever-increasing speed towards us as it nears its perihelion, the affects of its gravitation pull are still pretty weak. the jet stream has shifted and i'm getting tons of thunderstorms now, and volcanos are acting up and the sun is active now when it's supposed to be innactive, but so what? when they planet starts getting
really close, things like pole shifts become reasonable.
I just thought that you might find these 2 sites interesting
[urlhttp://www.enterprisemission.com/iraqmars.html][/url]
http://www.enterprisemission.com/
Peace,
Stealth Fist
PS. I Highly recommend that you explore this site in a more detailed way. They have some really interesting stuff!!!!
richard hoagland (of the websites posted above) is right in saying nasa knows things about mars and the face that it's hiding, but the 'infared' pictures he releases are ridiculous. he's implying that there was not only life on mars, but the life was pretty much human and was still able to walk around freely on the surface, and that modern-day cities are somehow duplicates of ancient cities on mars! he thinks some catastrophe suddenly changed the makeup of the atmosphere of the planet, but can't give any examples of what kind of catastrophe that would be.
he also says that the sumerian 'NI.BI.RU' or 'planet of crossing' is actually mars and that the annunaki were beings that lived on mars, but this theory just doesn't work with the sumerians, because they depicted mars clearly between the asteroid belt and earth, and then they depicted nibiru separately. mars was also accounted for separately in the Enuma Elish, with, of course, a sumerian name.
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=5566
Well, first of all, I'd like to mention that the idea of the Annunaki 'modifying' us to be slaves reminds me a lot of the movie Stargate. That was a cool movie... [:P]
Anyways,
I thought I'd post something concerning a dream I had several nights ago, and I'm finally posting it. x_x
In my dream(I won't go into detail), I remember snippets - like me and (my brother?) going outside(I don't remember where, or if I even knew), and looking up into the sky to see a wierd patch of pattern up among the stars. (The pattern somewhat reminded me of one parrticular pattern on a circuit board.) And then, we looked left, and first there was a bright red star in the sky - which became a large, red/black mottled planet. The planet was huge in the sky! It was probably about twice the size of the moon to the naked eye. Then for the rest of the dream, everything took on a reddish cast, and earth's gravity was affected(intensified) by the gravity field of the other planet. The rest of the dream was rather abstract, as dreams tend to be, and didn't seem important. (Plus, I don't remember much more.)
Now, I don't know if my dream was actually anything other than simply a dream, or if it was my overactive imagination. (Even though it had been quite a while since I had read this topic.)
The only thing that I seemed to be certain of in the dream was that the other planet in the sky was indeed Planet X, or Nibiru.
Thanx for listenin'!
-Alezunde
:|
well I have to admit, clover, you put up quite the convincing argument. At first glance this Nibiru stuff seemed like total BS, but I've become interested. It seems to me like a theory which is easy to become stupidly fanatical about (it is pretty cool after all [;)] ), but may also consist of less truth and more archetypal things as Ellen from crystalinks described. So color me a skeptic, but I'll do my homework and I'll watch the sky for red lights.
However, I couldn't help being reminded by Zebbie's post of a dream I had a year ago...
From what I can remember there was just mass hysteria... the world was ending in some way or another and people were frantically running around in the streets. I remember looking for relatives and excrement. Anyway, at some point, I wound up on my street. I looked up through the houses and trees and I could see a giant full moon in the night sky. The moon had like a splash of blood on it. As I was watching, some sort of comet-like thing smashed directly into the moon and it fell clear out of the sky.
After this I just remember looking around for some old sentimental things, and then just laying on some luminescent material next to my sister.. and apologising to her. And that was it. It's the third of 3 world-ending dreams I had last year. The first had to do with the moon crashing into earth, and the second with the earth flying out of orbit and off into space.
Yeup... :/
btw... this (http://www.darkinsight.com/darkinsight.com.audio/_%5Bdir%5D_zod/images/san310703/san310703.gif) is messed.. the sun got pwned
See you gotta belive and magical things happen!
i posted this in another topic, but it pertains more to this, so i'll put it here as well...sorry if that's a problem, hehe, but this is pretty amazing...
i was in my class, which is a mix between english and history. we usually don't really do much of either, but my teacher, i'll call him mr H, is like a spiritual mentor. i wouldn't be surprised if he was a part of this forum. he believes in astral projection, has had obe's b4, and is just an extremely enlightened person. a few months ago, i read a post on here about the mayan 'apocolypse' (if that's the word you'd choose, i just can't think of a better one, hehe) dated for the year 2012. mr. H has faith in that happening as well.
so he was talking about political oppression of some sort that i won't go into, when he said that he believed that in less than a decade all of it will be over to start anew. that we won't be sitting here on computers, and he looked at me, cuz i had mentioned it before, so he knew i'd understand, and that made me think about the "number-dreams" i've been having.
the dream i had about the game w/ the rocks separated the two digits 2 and 7 perhaps to show me that it wasn't telling me something about the number 27, but 2+7, which is 9. i thought about that in relation to the event coming up in less than a decade, and realized that it was in 9 years. the first dream i had, the one about the tv that i set to volume level 28, was sometime in august or july, maybe june, i don't remember. i had heard rumors (i don't know if they were fact or not) that the 'apocalypse'(i'll just call it that) was to happen in june, and that's pretty close to the time the 28 turned into a 27. (ie: 10 years minus one is 9 years)... last weekend, saturday or sunday night, i had a dream about the 'apocalypse' to come, and i wrote down some of the symbols in it. keep in mind that i was lazy and waited nearly a week to do this, so i forgot a lot, but i have faith i remembered what i was supposed to, hehe...
Possible loss of oxygen
it wasn't for sure, but i thought of it and it made me uneasy, so i noted it
cloudy skies/storms
I looked up at the gray sky and heard low thundery sounds. i'm assuming it was thunder. the clouds were moving fairly quickly.
water
the part of the dream i remember had to do w/ being at a dock by water. i got in a boat and it tipped. i didn't drown, but i nearly did. i'm taking this in a more symbolic way. i read in the other post that to avoid mass hysteria, the earth's water may be poisoned or something subtle, so that's how i'd interperete that symbol.
my instincts are telling me that this is more than a number having to do w/ this guy...to be honest, i think i just wanted it to do w/ him, but i have that gut feeling most of you understand about this... sorry about the length, hehe...any thoughts on this would be much appreciated
-Kristina
oops, that kinda made no sense if u didn't see the other post, sorry[:D]
here's a link:
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=6943
-Kristina
Man, when I first saw this I freaked out. Some of it was just like a story my friend told me about how the world would end. He was told by (as he said) a dragon he met in the astral plane. This is possibly his guide, well anyway this Dragon told him about how Tiamat, the Queen of the Dragons would come to this plane of existance and take care of all the people here, but leave the ones that she felt deserved to live. I don't remember all that he said would happen, but some of it was major volcano activity and other things, he also said that in order for her to cross into this plane a 'veil' would be broken and the sky would be red.
Now this got me thinking, that maybe this Dragon had heard a rumor and was misinformed on purpose. I read in the previous posts that Tiamat was the name of the Earth, before it was hit and the moon was created. (I think that is what it said correct me if I am wrong.) Maybe this has some connection with his story.
I have also had a few dreams of a kind of 'end of the world' thing and all the time it has the sky a red hue and weird things happening, everyone around me panics except for me and then it turns black. Either this means that I die, or that I was knocked uncousious.
Personnaly I can't wait for this thing to happen, it will be a rush. I really hope that some of the changes start to occur in the near future so I don't have to wait long. If it happens in a long time from now I might forget about it and panic.
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Personnaly I can't wait for this thing to happen, it will be a rush. I really hope that some of the changes start to occur in the near future so I don't have to wait long. If it happens in a long time from now I might forget about it and panic.
Keeping in mind what you've already heard won't be too hard if this is all true, because events from here on will keep getting worse until a new way of living is finally established. We're going to be hearing about rising terrorism and fighting, and lots of tectonic activity. When it's time to move, you will know, and you may move to a place where any kind of falling trouble won't be able to reach you and rising water won't be a problem.
Hopefully, I will be able to move to someplace in that time. I live in Florida right now[xx(]. So I will end up crushed in the title waves. Thinking about going up north, but not into the moutains.
Hello friends,
I'm happy to see that this post is still "alive" and active!
About the numbers and digits, for a long time I have been seeing the digits 11:11 on f.ex. my alarmclock or digital watches in general. I take a look on the watch and the time is 11:11. It happens maybe every other day, sometimes more often. For the last weeks it has happened more often than before.
I must admit that I didn't think about this at all, until I read a post on the Internet a couple of years ago, where somebody wrote about this phenomenon. Then I started to discover that I actually saw these digits often as well!
I'm not sure how to interpret this, but I get the feeling that this is some kind of "wake up-call" or sign. I sense some kind of power or "magic" in these digits, as I react strongly when I see them. Lately I've associated the digits with the date "November 2011". Maybe this month and year something major will happen, that will connect us seeing these digits or in other ways feel that we're involved in the upcoming events, to unite and help prepare for what is coming?
Love and light,
Zebrima
Maybe this has something to do with Mars being so close... But anyways, a few nights ago I was having a dream and at one point I looked out the window and saw a large planet that looked about the size of the moon, only it was red. Anyone else seen this?
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Maybe this has something to do with Mars being so close... But anyways, a few nights ago I was having a dream and at one point I looked out the window and saw a large planet that looked about the size of the moon, only it was red. Anyone else seen this?
Mars wouldn't be the size of our moon in the night sky, but it is pretty big and clearly visible most every night, provided that you have a relatively clear sky and not too much light pollution.
Ok im lost[;)]
i've been reading your conversation about a tenth planet and i do believe we'll be able to see/find it some time in the future whoever had a dream about the planet can you please describe the woman in more detail for me since i've had a very similar dream to yours.also i've been astral projecting for a few years now,and i wondered if when or if any of you were astral travelling did you ever encounter your spirit guides.
I have to say that this topic annoys me. The only way that the world is going to end is if it is destroyed by war. People have been predicting the end of the world for thousands of years and geuss what? It has NEVER happened. Do not believe everything that you read. Some people genuinely are crazy or, at best, deluded. For example, David Icke actually believes the world is controlled by Lizard's. He thinks that George Bush, Tony Blair and the Royal Family are lizards. I only ever read or watch anything with him in it for comedy value. I believe that astral projection and OBE's are real. But, it is important to keep your feet on the ground. DO NOT BELIEVE EVERYTHING YOU READ OR HEAR.
PS. About the face on Mars. The same region has been photographed again and there is no face. The first picture was a trick of the light. Yes...these things do happen.
Welcome to the board, Mark.
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I believe that astral projection and OBE's are real.
People that believe in something like this must be ignorant or deluded on how the mind works. There is no evidence that any 'non-physical body' ever leaves your
real body, and I challenge you to find such evidence, Mark. People just
dream, etc., but hardly ever remember them. When people
do remember them and maybe remember them clearly, they claim to have left their body and experienced other dimensions and other such ridiculous things. Some people even believe that some 'life force' is what makes the cells in your body work. Well, back a few hundred years ago, people also thought all your thinking was done in your heart and your brain was nothing but padding for your skull. Guess what? They were dead wrong and simply didn't know enough about anatomy.
Evidence, evidence, evidence. Rationality and reason over all.
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But, it is important to keep your feet on the ground. DO NOT BELIEVE EVERYTHING YOU READ OR HEAR.
PS: If the statement that the 'Face' has two clear depressions where human eyes would be and features that resemble a nose and mouth can be dismissed so easily by saying it just doesn't look like a face anymore (Martian weathering), then perhaps you'd like to tell us what exactly caused those pyramids around the face and why they don't appear anywhere else on Mars yet are so close to one another, and so close to the 'Face' as well.
Maybe, too, you'd like to tell us why NASA stopped releasing photos of the Pyramids of Mars so long ago, and maybe while you're at it you can tell us how the Egyptians made
their pyramids. You can surely tell us why the Sun has scrapped its 11-year cycle and become more active than it ever has before and what body beyond the known planets is causing the elliptical orbits. It is a mathematical fact that something is pulling on Pluto, Neptune, and Uranus, yet no one can find the body that's causing this. Share some info?
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People just dream, etc., but hardly ever remember them. When people do remember them and maybe remember them clearly, they claim to have left their body and experienced other dimensions and other such ridiculous things.
Hey there no_leaf_clover.....am I missing something here? I couldn't tell if you were being sarcastic with this statement or not. I look forward to all your posts regarding the Sumerians and the Annanuki (sp?), but I had to re-read what you wrote twice just for good measure.
Do you mean to tell me that you believe all of us who experience AP/OBE are having nothing more than really vivid dreams?
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Do you mean to tell me that you believe all of us who experience AP/OBE are having nothing more than really vivid dreams?
No. If I didn't believe in all of that I would have never found this site. I own a copy of Astral Dynamics.
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Do you mean to tell me that you believe all of us who experience AP/OBE are having nothing more than really vivid dreams?
No. If I didn't believe in all of that I would have never found this site. I own a copy of Astral Dynamics.
Ok, because you had me confused when you wrote that first paragraph above. [:D]
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Originally posted by Hephaestus
You'd be surprised at how unlikely 'intelligent biological' life can evolve on none Earthlike planets
hephaestus, you'd be surprised how *easily* life can evolve. you're under the spell of modern science. it is believed that all live requires oxygen, food, space, etc. it was also thought, until recently, that all life needed sunlight, too, until we found those underwater colonies of weird blind fish and plants that lived off of thermal heat.
robert bruce has even reported astral wildlife, and people experience negs all the time. is this not intelligent life? and it does not require oxygen or food, or at least the kind of food we think of. according to science, these astral beings can't exist.
here's the facts:
the only planet we know of for sure that has evolved life, is earth. therefore all of our experiences with life in the universe are based on this planet. science is such that it doesn't allow you to say "well, maybe there are more kinds of life than what is here on earth" without solid proof. obviously, we wouldn't know yet, since our space technology is severely limited. we're only now beginning to explore our neighboring planet mars from the surface.
also, there are more stars in the universe than there are grains of sand on all the beaches of the world combined. this, science has determined, and is therefore, relatively obvious. suppose every star or system of stars has planets. maybe just 1 or 2 planets. do you have any idea how many planets that is? and we only know of the ones in our system, and closeby systems that have big enough planets to see.
so no one knows. we don't even have the experience with alien life to *comprehend* what can and can't be done in the vast universe we live in. we're just exploring a corner of our own room, without knowing much about the rest of the house, and much less of our neighboring galaxies. science says its unlikely for intelligent life to evolve, because it needs proof for otherwise. yet here WE are, not knowing much about space anyway. we must be *really* lucky, huh? scientists (without the aid of the scientific method, or course) have showed how life can evolve even without the element carbon, of which every life form on earth is based on. they've shown on discovery how simple life can evolve from silicon..
be more open-minded towards life.
You sound like a poster child for the Heavens Gate UFO cult. Where do you get your information?
PS check out this link http://www.geocities.com/rick_g22/ufo.html
Zebrina, did you see a red planet with discolorations near the poles and equator (grey area's)? I've seen this a few times before projecting.
I apologize if what I say below was posted already, but I really don't have the time to search all eight pages of this topic.
Zebrima,
This can not possibly be true. I do not doubt your eperience, not at all, but I do not believe of such a planet. One, because the gravity of this planet could cause major shifts in the orbits of the other planets in our solar system. Two, if the orbit of this planet is 2000 years, it would be too far away for our sun to pull the planet back to complete its orbit, it would be lost in space.
Either way, this was an interesting experience indeed!
Mohamed
Mohammed, perhaps you have not heard of the enourmous belt of comet's in the suns orbit, roughly 1.8 lightyears away (around 20,000,000,000,000 miles) pluto's orbit is roughly 247.7, at a distance varying between 29.6 to 49.3 AU's (astronomical units, distance between earth and sun (149,598,000km)).
May it be that the sun does not have enough gravitational pull to have such an immense orbit, the theory of dark matter and dark energy comes into play. Astronamers claim that there is not nearly enough visable mass in the galaxy, let alone universe to hold star systems and galaxies together, technicaly speaking galaxies should not even exist. Only 1/13 of the matter needed to support the existance of galaxies being held together exists, therefore there must be an immense ammount of matter and energy holding these celestial clusters of stars together.
Punkyou,
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Where do you get your information?
Where do I have to get it from? I don't think I'm wrong in saying that the only life we have studied is life from Earth, and I also know how the scientific method works. It needs physical evidence, and yet-to-be-explored planets and moons obviously can't provide that physical evidence. We've yet to even land a man on Mars. It's also a mathematical fact that there are most star systems in the universe than there are grains of sand on Earth, and that's a widely accepted statement and can be easily found in numerous places.
PS - The site you posted a link to is nothing new. There will be guys who will try to shoot this stuff down to the very end, but there are problems that they can't account for with pranksters or mind-washing cult leaders. Some of the information I read there was wrong, too. The author of the page apparently doesn't know too much science (flimsy explanation for radiation at crop circle sites), and he explains how the egyptian's built their pyramids. Well, last time I heard, which wasn't too long ago, we have no idea how the egyptian's built their pyramids. We can only guess, but even the best theories have blaring holes, such as the sloping angles within the pyramids, tiny narrow passages, etc., but yet the author of that site knows exactly how they did it, and wouldn't you know, it wasn't that hard after all!
Mohamed,
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This can not possibly be true. I do not doubt your eperience, not at all, but I do not believe of such a planet. One, because the gravity of this planet could cause major shifts in the orbits of the other planets in our solar system.
I'm no genius myself, but you lack some scientific information as well. On top of what Logic provided, a big mystery for the past hundred years or so has been the gravitational force that pulls on the outer planets. As you know, the outer planets don't have perfectly circular orbits. In fact, they are all skewed in the exact same direction, which points to the obvious: something is pulling them that way. So the "major shifts in the orbits of the other planets" are already there and understood; we just don't understand why they're like that.
Hi again,
The planet I saw was dark red and I can't remember clearly, but it's possible that it had some darker or black/gray areas around its poles. I'm not sure however. I think it had some darker red parts in the middle though, like a swirled pattern or dark-red clouds around it.
Same thing with the woman, I had this experience a long time ago and I can't remember her clearly anymore. She gave me a feeling of being like an "earth-godess", partly because of her brown/tanned clothing, complexion and hair, but also the deep sexual powers she had. Now I would associate her with the second chakra and its energy. The green eyes with the pupils was the most amazing part. I still believe that the eyes were an important part to my experience - maybe the most important part. It was some kind of power she had in her eyes, which was both scaring and hypnotizing. I think she has some similarities to the sumerian godess Innana, but I got a name like "Tianna" from her and really prefer to call her that.
I'm sorry I can't give you more, but I hope this helps you a bit...
Love and light,
Zebrima
There is a study : 10 th planet is made of dark matter!
lemme apologize ahead of time if this was already discussed, but i read the first post then just went to the last post. anyways one time at work we were talking about how the myan calender was gonna end 2013 i believe, and you said the planet comes every like 2000 years according to your dream, and people said somethin is prolly gonna happen at the end of the mayan calender. well maybe after it ends like that is when the mayans predict the planet will be close and then it will be discovered??? just a thought
acctually, the end of the mayan calendar signifies the return of earth back to a certain point in the galaxy where the cycle began some 5000 years ago (according to my knowlage).
There are lots of beliefs about it starting some sort of demon war, the returning of nibiru, raising of conciousness, etc. I don't really know what to say for sure though.
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Originally posted by DarkQuest
lemme apologize ahead of time if this was already discussed, but i read the first post then just went to the last post. anyways one time at work we were talking about how the myan calender was gonna end 2013 i believe, and you said the planet comes every like 2000 years according to your dream, and people said somethin is prolly gonna happen at the end of the mayan calender. well maybe after it ends like that is when the mayans predict the planet will be close and then it will be discovered??? just a thought
The actual date turns out to be some day in December 2012, but I wouldn't expect Nibiru to pull around then. In fact, I wouldn't expect Nibiru to ever pull around. I don't say this because I don't think it's coming around, but because we aren't going to be told
when it's coming around, and we don't have enough information to find out on our own. When you start hearing about major natural disasters, and there is clearly some disturbance on Earth, then you pack up and head out to an area that you feel will be safe (ie no buildings will fall on you, flooding, fires, etc.).
Does anybody know anything else about the celestial cycle that 2012 is a part of, like why it was important to them, etc.? We should try to figure out why it was so important to the Mayans that they should need a calender for it.
Man, I figure that if nothing bad happens in 2012, there are going to be alot of dis-gruntled people.
Not really; they will just forget about 2012 and start a new thread with 20xy... like they did with the previous ens of the world in the past. [|)]
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Does anybody know anything else about the celestial cycle that 2012 is a part of, like why it was important to them, etc.? We should try to figure out why it was so important to the Mayans that they should need a calender for it.
I think that is a big mystery. I have only ever heard people wonder the same thing as there has never been anything found to give an explanation as to its importance to the Mayans. It may be nothing more than just a natural cycle that they discovered.
go to www.cassiopaea.com
I didn't see any thing about the mayans on the sight, but there is alot of other intersting information. Thanks
-Patrick
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Look, evolution itself contradicts itself and is NOT something to be treated with as much seriousness as, say, the laws of gravity.
You say these creatures evolved to not need sunlight, eh? Well, I say they were always living in those conditions, and that they have always been suitable to live in that sort of environment. Adaptation we see, evolution we do *not*. As for those fossils of "what man used to be", ever have the common sense to, rather than assume that it was previous man, assume that they were different species? As for carbon dating, you *do* realize that it is a highly inaccurate form of dating? Largely, it is based off of assumption. Carbon dating itself isn't a solid form of measurement by any means -- it doesn't prove that the earth is even 50,000 years old, let alone millions of years old. Read this if you want more information:
http://www.fishdontwalk.com/articles/datingmethods01.html
I also suggest this PDF, which has a lot of scientific information on why carbon dating is a fallacy as well:
http://www.ankerberg.com/Articles/_PDFArchives/science/SC1W0900.pdf
Dinosaurs aren't even carbon-dated, you know why? Because they're assumed to live so many tens of millions of years ago, so what would be the point of carbon dating them? Despite what science deems fit for all of us to believe, there is a good probability that we once co-existed with dinosaurs, and that dinosaurs such as the T-Rex weren't the violent meat-eaters that we are conditioned to see them as ( studies have actually shown their teeth to be better at eating vegetation ), and that dinosaurs may have been relatively peaceful creatures ( unless threatened ). In fact, a few may even exist today -- the legendary Loch Ness monster, and the Pygmies frequently refer to a creature with dinosaur-like traits that still roams around their homeland in the unexplored jungles.
The point is, open up your minds, but close them when the BS starts flowing in ( genetically engineered human BS ).
Funny thing is that Neantertal(SP?) was proven to be a different species when they were able to extract DNA from some bone they found.
I don't remember where, but it was proven that the earth is over millions of years old, I think it had something to do with the polar ice caps.
I don't think we should close our minds to this yet, we have bearly anything on it, we might as well wait at least 2 years, if nothing new happens then this is quits for me.
TheWanderer,
What you said about carbon-dating could explain a lot of mysterious fossils that plot man back to the same times as dinosaurs, and in a few cases back to primordial life. A fossil has even been found of a sandal print on top of a squished trilobyte.
The rest of what you said didn't really do much for me. While most ancient artifacts have been destroyed over time, and the nature of our solar system allows many explanations for things such as the elliptical orbits of planets, the Face and Pyramids on Mars, growth in sunspots on the Sun, etc., at the same time there is little evidence to debunk explanations like a 10th planet with intelligent life that interfered with us, unless you call scolding for thinking outside of the box evidence.
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As for those fossils of "what man used to be", ever have the common sense to, rather than assume that it was previous man, assume that they were different species?
Any evidence for this common sense besides that there's a possibility for it? Where do we come from if each species is independant and why do we progressively become more advanced?
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The point is, open up your minds, but close them when the BS starts flowing in
That sort of defeats the purpose of having them open to begin with.
When you're too closed-minded, you are ignorant. When you're too open-minded, you become gullible. You need to tread the line between the two, and that line is common sense.
Nobody can offer proof to any of this stuff yet, don't let any scientist tell you other-wise. However, it's much easier to accept that there is a creator that created everything, rather than something changing into an entirely different thing over time for no apparent reason, and on top of that we're also supposed to accept that humanity ( and everything else ) occurred out of "chance". I'm sorry, nothing forms out of nothing. Something only forms out of something. There needs to be an action before a reaction, other-wise nothing ever happens.
That stuff with the polar ice caps is just theory, show me some articles on that if you can, and I'm sure that I'll be able to provide articles with counter-evidence as well.
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Nobody can offer proof to any of this stuff yet, don't let any scientist tell you other-wise. However, it's much easier to accept that there is a creator that created everything, rather than something changing into an entirely different thing over time for no apparent reason, and on top of that we're also supposed to accept that humanity ( and everything else ) occurred out of "chance". I'm sorry, nothing forms out of nothing. Something only forms out of something. There needs to be an action before a reaction, other-wise nothing ever happens.
Maybe it is easier for you to accept the creator theory, but clearly not for everyone. And even if there was an intelligent entity that did create, that does not mean that the creation did not evolve. You are correct in that nothing evolves for no reason, or so logic would dictate anyway. The theory does not say things evolve for no reason. The theory is that things change to adapt to certain changes in the environment and to become more effiecent.
Who knows if something comes from nothing. You are trying to apply laws of the physical to an environment that existed before the physical. No one can really say what the laws were before the physical came to be. Maybe there was no beginning and no end.
The only thing that would make sense is for a Creator to have no beginning and no end -- stuff just can't be there. Applying the laws of the physical? All that we're talking about is the physical. I'm pretty sure this discussion isn't about the Astral Realm now, or is it?
Adaptation we see, evolution we don't. Scientists try to tell you "Ya, adaptations stack up and bam, they eventually add up into a totally different species" -- nuh uh. That's not how it works. You can have 1000 small changes in a human, and it would still be, very much so, a human. People get the two confused often -- one happens, the other we have never seen happen. Adaptation is something like your body developing an immunity to a cold that it once had -- minor things like that that would never make a lick of difference in both our physical and mental capacity.
Wanderer, how can you believe in adaptations but not evolution? There is no difference between them. Adaptations do not magically remove themselves from someone's genes when they are no longer needed (and adaptations, if not mental, are a result of genetic changes); the DNA stays and is only expanded upon, and this is evolution. It is extremely gradual. You can't expect a new species to pop up every hundred years or so. When adaptations finally amount to something that is noticeably different than the same creature a few hundred thousand years before it, then a new species is classified, and species classification is strictly for the organization of our past into something understandable. That doesn't mean we evolve into a new species every hundred thousand years or so, but that every hundred thousand years or so, our adaptations have become such as to be easily noticeable and distinctly different.
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Hey I just read your post and sorry that this is late and what not but here it goes=> 2 monthes ago when I APed I went along doing what I always do, Flying around the neiborhood to see if friends APed and to see the sights. when out of nowhere like someone used a transporter I saw a hot hot woman and when i mean hot i mean { } she had thighs to die over and straight brown hair and gorgious lips gets a guy , well you know , [:D]. anyway she was on the ground and i was in the air and she waved me to come over to her. so i did out of couriousity. she said some thing if i can remember right that the time has come to put aside our diferences and work together. i told her i didn't know what she was talking about, and just as i said that she put out her left arm and pressed a botton and we went somewhere in space , a planet, if i remember correctlty. it had a B E A utiful sky and it had a tint of golden brown since for somereason the suns never set. she told me that thier moving ever so close to our planet that it's causing some trouble on thier planet. and this i'll never foget as long as i live, she said that if and when they come the earth as we know it will forever change and each dimention will collapes and be one and everyone and everything will be stronger by 10x's and earth's gravity will increase by 10. I didn't believe her until she said this= and everything is coming true as i know it , I 've already become 2 x's stronger already without doing anything abnormal or without training. And i started to do some tests this week and it is coming true for this fact.{ i droped a penny 9.8 ft from the ground to see if it takes a sec like its soposed to and it fell in .4575 sec. normal time would be 1 sec to .998 sec.}
You need to learn a little more about gravity before you say something next time, I dont know what 9.8 feet has to do with anything. By saying that you are either lieing or you wasted alot of time doing your experiment, becase gravity accelerates a falling object 9.8 METERS per second squared. METERS METERS METERS!!!!!!!
At least he is trying to make some sense of his OBE, give him a break. I would also be curious to find out if these changes were happening, a graduale change in the Earth's gravity would be unnoticed by the average person, but scientists around the world would have figured it out by now, but you know the government, not wanting us to know anything about this sort of stuff or else we will 'panic'. You have to admit that if you are at least listen to the way everything feels, it feels a little strange, a different feel in the air and this has happened to be even before I came to this site.
no_leaf_clover:Where do we come from if each species is independant and why do we progressively become more advanced?
i have to disagree with that. you've read zecharia sitchen's books, right? well, in the book 'the twelfth planet' somewhere in the beginning, probably in the first 30 pages, he mentions that since the past 'visit' from the annunaki, humans have actually shown clear signs of becoming less advanced. not trying to be indifferent, but i thought i'd point it out
-Kristina
a lot of this "2012" apocalypse/pole reversal/planet flyby/alien invasion/demon war/whathaveyou seems to be based on the mayan calendar.
the mayan long-count calendar finishes its 13th (?) cycle in 2012. im not exactly sure why certain writers have decided that this signals a momentous date of prophecy, but at any rate it seems to have spurred much heated rant from many.
i would very much recommend finding some more evidence before getting too concerned about our impending doom.
the bitkari calendar finishes tomorrow. time to buy party streamers. and a new calendar. no apocalypse in sight! ;)
The end of the Mayan calander was soppouse to signafiy that the Earth is now back in its somewhat original postion that it started in, in this position the Earth will sapposeably be at its peak of spiritual energy, this is the reason why most think that it is the end of the world. I for one think that it is just the end of an era and we will move on to something more then we are now, if it is true anyway.
got a question about this:
Why must people debate, and argue on something when both sides say how it is going to be because of what they read "so and so". But the other side say This is really how it is going to be because THIS said this.
How I feel is, this is not a end, but it is a beginning like others say ONLY if 'Man' allow it. So the more people like some of these on this thread say it aint so, and make common man-like mistakes like argueing, debating, fighting, show fear(fight) when the Awakening starts, instead of reasoning and accepting; We all will parish, suffer and not evolve like Humans are developed to do since the beginning.
We will be helped, theres going to be un imaginable rewards, but only at the hands of 'Man' can we make that choice.
Why don't you read some of Sitchin's books, Bitkari? [:)]
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i have to disagree with that. you've read zecharia sitchen's books, right? well, in the book 'the twelfth planet' somewhere in the beginning, probably in the first 30 pages, he mentions that since the past 'visit' from the annunaki, humans have actually shown clear signs of becoming less advanced. not trying to be indifferent, but i thought i'd point it out
-Kristina
Well, to this day we can't rebuild the Pyramids, but according to Sitchin the Annunaki built the Pyramids. Once the Annunaki left Earth, since the Annunaki intentionally didn't give us an awful lot of tech, we went back to living in mud houses and farming simple crops after the Great Deluge. But even though we haven't become as technologically advanced as the Annunaki were then, we ourselves have come a good way for the most part. Maybe Sitchin was just trying to reinforce the idea that we had help in the distant past.
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Well, to this day we can't rebuild the Pyramids, but according to Sitchin the Annunaki built the Pyramids. Once the Annunaki left Earth, since the Annunaki intentionally didn't give us an awful lot of tech, we went back to living in mud houses and farming simple crops after the Great Deluge. But even though we haven't become as technologically advanced as the Annunaki were then, we ourselves have come a good way for the most part. Maybe Sitchin was just trying to reinforce the idea that we had help in the distant past.
i can agree with that - however although humans have made amazing progress with technology and other things, they, as a whole, have become much more naive and stubborn to see the truth when they don't want to hear it, and have become less spiritual. i can't say i'm 100% sure about that, i mean i'm not thousands of years old, hehe, but humans couldn't've progressed in the ways they have being as obstinant as they tend to be today.
as far as people saying that there is no way a planet would be approaching earth or wtv (i read a bunch of that on some earlier pgs of this post), i wouldn't have to rely on anything more than science to prove that false... picture this: we have our universe, from the sun to pluto, as far back as it reaches, and there are of course neighboring universes. the closest ones, as far as we can tell, don't overlap or interfere with ours. however each one has it's own gravity levels, and therefore it's own general orbit. so it is not so insane to believe that this planet, Nibiru, is in an orbit that interferes with ours.
-Kristina
They actually.. found the tenth planet just a couple of days ago. Weird, eh? Maybe creepy in a good sense, and it seems this thread was introduced almost a year ago.
Hey everyone. I happened to come across this in a Google search (been looking all over for past-life recollections of existing in alien races. This isn't quite it but I was still startled).
Anyway, it was reported on Slashdot ( http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=04/03/14/1657223&mode=thread&tid=134&tid=160 ) that NASA found what they're calling 'Sedna', seemingly the tenth planet in our solar system.
Here's the NASA site for it: http://www.spitzer.caltech.edu/Media/releases/ssc2004-05/
Go to Visuals for pictures, of course.
I personally don't expect anything big to come of this, but that's just me talking from my own experience. Time after time I (and countless other people) have gotten what seems like a great revelation that would forever change life as we know it. It's fun for a while, then we go right back to living like zombies the way we have from the beginning, once again just waiting to die. Still, I'm only basing this on the past, and I never had a dream where a woman tells me "You find a new planet, and you'll be happy, but then life will suck again", so you've probably got more reasoning behind your thoughts than I do.
Oh umm... shoot. I just looked at the visuals and it's.. red. The planet's red? You'd think a planet that far off would be blue, but it's red. Okay... now I'm a LOT less skeptical.
This should be interesting..[;)]
According to those piccies, the closest that planet will be coming to us is a bit further away than Jupiter. They didn't say when it'd hit it's peak tho (2012 probably :P). Still, that planet has a hella lonely orbit... it's so far away, I seriously doubt anything is alive on it (though I suppose the "annukai" would be the ones to do it). If we are smart, tho, we'll have a probe out there ready and waiting for when it comes by:)
I guess if there was anything on that ice rock, it'd be jumping off around jupiter, but I doubt it.
Well the funny thing is, the person in Zebrima's lucid dream/obe said right off that the planet comes into our system every 2000 years, and from that it goes without saying that it's probably really cold, but then there are a whole lot of details on sustaining life that general humanity doesn't know yet. It's quite possible for life to live anywhere with the right technologies, and besides that, spirits are physically invincible. The being said there would be some big changes, which... may or may not indicate life. Ah, we'll find out.
I'm looking over the orbit graphs right now. It was a bit of a throw-off when they said its orbit takes about 10,000 years, which, based on the image, would put it in our system FOR 2000 years rather than after. But then, I don't think they have a very good estimate yet.
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They actually.. found the tenth planet just a couple of days ago. Weird, eh? Maybe creepy in a good sense, and it seems this thread was introduced almost a year ago.
This new 'planet' is not the Sumerian 'Planet of Crossing'. The only thing this new 'planet' (really just a little ball of ice bigger than most others) has in common with Nibiru is the number it would be from the sun. Now, Nibiru would apparently be the 11th planet. However, I really don't think there is anything significant about this newly discovered ball of ice. I wonder what the intentions are about listing it officially as a planet when really there is nothing special about it. It's not even as big as the Moon (neither is Pluto, but this is a simple ice ball rather than something more unusual, and still smaller). Then, you have people here who are convinced this is the planet that we've been talking about, and it turns out there's nothing to worry about after all! The intentions behind it may suddenly get a little clearer, though I believe these intentions would come from a deeper level of the government and aren't a part of some widespread conspiracy. A good example of this kind of control from a small group can be found when you look up who's running the bigger part of the missions to Mars (not NASA).
I don't believe Nibiru is still out beyond Pluto. By now it is most probably well past Pluto and on it's way to cutting through the Solar System. This little ball of ice is of no significance to us here on Earth. It is already well-known that there is much frozen debris around and beyond Pluto. No big deal.
Well Saturn's just a ball of gas and the sun's just a ball of fire. If you're thinking on that level then sure, our galaxy is just a big disk of stars and the atomic bomb is a big hunk of metal.
I'm seeing plenty semantics.. but so far nothing adds to the subject.
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Well Saturn's just a ball of gas and the sun's just a ball of fire. If you're thinking on that level then sure, our galaxy is just a big disk of stars and the atomic bomb is a big hunk of metal
There are chunks of rock and ice strewn all over the Solar System. There are whole belts of material floating around, and not just the Asteroid Belt. I've heard of two other belts, as well, of ice and rock material just floating around in large quantities. One cuts through the Solar System similarly to how Nibiru would enter, from the Southern Hemisphere, while the other floats around beyond Pluto, and this new 'planet' is a part of. There is no belt of Saturns orbiting the Sun. Nor are there any belts of other stars orbiting the sun. Bits of rock and ice are as common as trees in a forest, only much more spaced out and relatively small. The big thing about this 'planet' is that it's the farthest orbiting thing of its class that's ever been spotted in our Solar System, but it's no big news that there are things floating out beyond Pluto.
I don't know what subject you're referring to, but if you're on the subject that fits under this topic, then it would be adding to and closing this specific subject to say that this bit of space debris is not Nibiru. Nothing I have ever read or heard describes Nibiru as a little piece of debris orbiting normally outside of Pluto, and I've heard all sorts of things on the subject. Maybe from now on we will simply have to refer to Nibiru as the 11th Planet.
Well, now you've given us a long list of facts everybody already knows.
Does anybody have any input? I've been curious about the other people who have had related OBE/dreams on this subject.
So finally they found it...the tenth planet! Is this the same planet I saw in my dream/obe, almost one year ago? As for the colour and texture of the planet – yes, it's very similar, I would even say the same, as the planet I saw in my experience (if this dark-red actually is the real colour of the planet?). I feel exited and eager, but also a bit "freaked out". At the same time, I'm not as eager and exited as I thought I would be, and it could have to do with the size of this planet. I can't regret that I feel a bit disappointed about the size of Sedna, just as I think many of us who were awaiting the discovery of the tenth planet are. Both astronomers, astrologists and those of us who awaited the discovery of Nibiru probably had something larger in mind. Astronomers say, there should be a larger object lurking out there, because of the impact this planet has on the orbits of Neptune and Uranus. And we often think about Nibiru as a giant planet, maybe even larger than the size of Jupiter.
But does size really matter? After a couple of days "calming down" and getting over my first disappointment, I have to say no. Size doesn't matter, what's important is that we found something, a new planet far behind Pluto, and that's a revolutionary discovery itself. I feel that this discovery indeed will have a great impact on both scientific development and spiritual development. You see, before the discovery of Sedna, a lot of people wouldn't even believe that there could actually be a tenth planet out there – Pluto was the last one, end of discussion. Maybe that's why some still don't want to call Sedna a planet, not only because it's too small, but also because it rattles our old imaginations of how our solar system actually looks like. But now I believe that we will be more open-minded and prepared of changes and new scientific progress and information. I'm not saying that Sedna is actually Nibiru, because I also have a hard time believing that. Nibiru should be larger, Nibiru should be closer. But maybe not, that's only our expectations.
However, I get a feeling that there is more, maybe a larger planet close to Sedna, affecting her.
Well, I'm awaiting more information and more discoveries, both about Sedna itself, other planets close to it and related discoveries and development – both scientific and spiritual. Because I really feel that this is only the beginning!
Love and light,
Zebrima
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But does size really matter? After a couple of days "calming down" and getting over my first disappointment, I have to say no.
Aha! So there you are.
Yeah, that's the way I think of it. Thus far it's fit the description you gave, and while there are a couple people trying to say 'uh, that's not it cause it's made of ice and it's small', the gist of this is the old 'it doesn't look exactly as my imagination thought so it's not real' mindset. Ah, but that's pointless to bring up.
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Nibiru should be larger, Nibiru should be closer.
Probably. Maybe this originated from the real thing? Cause if it were a chunk that was knocked off of the original, that would explain its whacked-out orbit. Just a theory. It'd be great if they found something better than this.
What I'm curious about is who the other people are who have seen similar things. Do any of them have websites by any chance?
Zareste, I don't know whether or not you know yet, but the bulk of information regarding Nibiru is based on Zecharia Sitchin's series of books, which are backed up by information that was written by the Sumerians, Assyrians, Babylonians, Egyptians, Persians, etc., all the way up to the times of the Greeks. The word 'Nibiru' itself is a Sumerian 'word', meaning roughly "Planet of Crossing". It was regarded by the ancients as a most sacred and special celestial body, and one that only appeared in the skies about every 3600 years. Note that it appeared in the skies (The Sumerians did not have telescopes, so there is no way they could have seen this new ice ball, though they did have information on the 12 major bodies of the Solar System from Earth's perspective: the Sun, Moon, Mercury, Mars, Venus, Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, Neptune, Pluto, and Earth itself. They went into detail about each. As an example, they noted Pluto as a planet that was originally a moon of Saturn, only pulled away by the gravity from a close encounter with Nibiru on one of its earlier entries into our system. This idea is not far from many theories held by astronomers today.).
The planet was recorded to have been extremely hot and fiery upon its earlier entries into our system (as from the Sumerian equivalent to the Epic of Creation, the Enuma Elish. The Bible's creational story derives much from this earlier work.). A ball of ice would obviously not be able to last that long if it were flaming, and then of course there's the problem of it being so hot in the first place, and then even more of a problem in how it would make it to the site of the present-day asteroid belt.)
The reasons behind thinking Nibiru will be bigger are thus: Nibiru is to have a great gravitational effect upon the Earth. The Great Flood from the Bible was, as the Sumerians report (and the Biblical version does trace back to the Sumerian Epic of the Flood) was caused by Nibiru pulling around during a colder time in Earth's history. Huge sheets of ice were pulled from the antarctic, and created massive tsunamis that reached Mesopotamia and destroyed civilization there. Similarly, and maybe not coincidentally, the Zeta were channeled here to say that most everything in India is going to be destroyed over the course of the Pole Shift. The newly discovered body could never do this. It would never have much more of an effect on the Earth as it does now, which, to say the least, isn't much.
The reasons behind saying that Nibiru should be closer are that Nibiru is supposedly pretty close, relatively, at this very moment, and getting closer and closer by the day. The following link will give you a more or less accurate idea of the orbit of Nibiru: http://users.lycaeum.org/~martins/nibiru.html
For sites, you can try the following:
http://www.sitchin.com/
http://xfacts.com/
http://www.apollonius.net/nibiru.html <-- Good introduction to Sitchin's work.
WOW THATS SO AMAZING THEY JUST DISCOVERED A TENTH PLANET ITS HAS BEEN IN THE NEWS
a tenth planet?? that's a little weird... how do they know it isn't just an oversized chunk of rock that will dissappear soon?
Heh, I guess that's what they're debating right now: What qualifies as a chunk of rock and what gets to be a planet, cause Earth in the same sense is also a chunk of rock.
Oh and they're pretty certain it won't disappear soon because they seem to have mapped its orbit. By the looks of it, it'll be around for a few thousand years before leaving the general area (then coming back a few millenniums later).
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Well, to this day we can't rebuild the Pyramids, but according to Sitchin the Annunaki built the Pyramids.
This is opinion and conjecture, not proof. According to Edgar Cayce, a clairvoyant for 40 years, and able to access the Akashic Records, the pyramids were built by Egyptians with the aid of those Atlanteans that fled the destruction of Atlantis. He also stated (when asked how it was possible to consctruct the pyramids) that "The same force that causes iron to swim can be used to make stone levitate". Stone levitation has been observed in tibet. There is a very good description of how this is accomplished (somewhere on the web...I did a Google search I think). The tibetan monks stood around the stone in a semi-circle at a specific distance from the stone, and played various instruments to cause harmonic resonance vibrations (or some such).
The problem with the Mayan calandar is that none of its creators are here to tell you why it ends in 2012. It's entirely possible that they did this simply as a "space-saver". We typically make our calendars with 12 months, though some go to the next January. If we were to create a larger calendar it would be bulky, expensive, and time-consuming. IMO, this is just another "fishhook" that "end of the world"-type people use in their theories. It can just as easily be stated that the next time Halley's Comet passes the earth we will have a great spiritual revolution. *shrug*
Also keep in mind that the future is
never certain. Free will always changes the course of human evolution. This is why clairvoyance is often inaccurate. I read something several days ago where a person supposedly contacted the spirit of Edgar Cayce and it told him, "The world template has been altered" (whatever that means). I do believe that we, as spiritual entities, need to learn to LOVE, or hopes for the future are pretty bleak.
Anyways....just wanted to point out that just because someone writes something, or translates something, or believes something, doesn't make it the "unmitigated truth". Everyone is entitled to believe whatever they want to believe. Personally, I don't concern myself with "deadlines" and "predictions", but rather just live my life day-to-day as best I can.
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Anyways....just wanted to point out that just because someone writes something, or translates something, or believes something, doesn't make it the "unmitigated truth". Everyone is entitled to believe whatever they want to believe.
The same can be said about just about anything or anyone, including the guy you mentioned that visited the Akashic Records. I know of people who have also visited the Akashic Records but have gathered different information on who built the Pyramids. At least Sitchin's information is more based on physical evidence, but I don't really have the energy to keep defending Sitchin's work. I'll just say here (though it doesn't necessarily have to do with this post anymore) that anybody with anything against it can just go read some of it and come to your own conclusions rather than taking peoples' words on it and arguing from that. From there you can try to counter his information, I guess, but so far there have been very few in the world to even try, and that's pretty interesting considering he's sold millions of books and has become quite a recognized figure in this sort of field of information that has so many critics.
However, I don't really believe the future is set for certain either. At the same time, I can't reasonably expect everyone in the world to stop fighting and to learn to understand each other in about 15 or 20 years. That's where my personal beliefs come in sounding as though the future isn't set.
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I've had alot of OBE's where i've been shown solar systems. Really neat stuff. I've seen saturn also come really close to earth in a dream, and i've seen the moon come really close to the earth twice irl.
Hmm, I had a recollection a while back that involved God (or Gaia or whatever name you prefer for the given being) first looking over the solar system. The accuracy of this recollection was unusually detailed; planets were the correct distance apart, given their size, as I found out later, and the being, which outsized them by quite a few times... It had sort of a human form to it and that's all I can remember about it).
Oh, and when I say 'recollection', it tends to mean an approximation of outside reality, sort of like a vision but a lot more accurate because of a theoretical system of 'proximal thought' I conceived of a long time ago.. I won't bother you with the details.
But when I look back into the recollection, Earth was just sort of a lifeless rock, kinda like our Moon really, and, even stranger, Mars looked like it was capable of sustaining life. It had water here and there, but the details of Mars and Earth were hard to recall (I didn't even notice a difference until later when I looked back into the vision; they sort of paled in comparison to the gigantic being between them).
So Earth was just a big dead object and Mars had something going on it; very unusual in retrospect (though from my point of view they looked incredibly small). I'm taking a shot in the dark here but this being seemed to act as sort of a soul migrator. A friend of mine mentioned something about life on Earth stemming from that of Mars, and he's a friend who really knows his stuff so I hope I heard him correctly, but this being seemed to have been made up a whole lot of other beings, just judging by his size and capacity of thought. My guess is that this being was made up of combined souls from Mars and used for making Earth livable. I have a few reasonable hunches this was made possible by some sort of technology they had come up with, but of course, the whole migration theory itself doesn't have much backing it up. I could be wrong about the entire thing.
Heh, and the funny part is I was writing about it on a webpage a while back, trying to get the details out, and I was listening to that song called 'Hellbound' by Kenna, all the while trying to recall where, in the Solar System the being was situated, and suddenly the lyrics "Between Pluuuutoooo and God" came up. It didn't help any but I was still like 'wtf'.
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Heh, and the funny part is I was writing about it on a webpage a while back, trying to get the details out, and I was listening to that song called 'Hellbound' by Kenna, all the while trying to recall where, in the Solar System the being was situated, and suddenly the lyrics "Between Pluuuutoooo and God" came up. It didn't help any but I was still like 'wtf'.
LOL still pretty funny tho.
Hi,
I just wanted to share a very vivid experience I had recently. I´m not sure if it was an obe or a lucid dream, but it fascinated me.
I was sleeping at my parents' house, in my old room, where I had my first obe and have had most of my obe-experiences and lucid dreams. I was travelling through space and approached a big, dark red planet. A beautiful woman approached me, she had long, wavy chestnut hair and was dressed in brown or beige colors. Her charisma was really intense although she was all about the same color – light brown /chestnut. Her eyes was the most fascinating part about her, dark green and big. Her pupil was big and she could control it herself, making it expand or smaller if she wanted to.
However, I was being told that this planet was in our solar system and that it was soon to be discovered. It was approaching us and this was the "tenth planet". I was being told that this planet has been close to earth before and every time this meant major changes, but that we don´t have to be afraid. She also mentioned that this is the big transition that the Maya-people were predicting and that this time the return of the planet will affect us even more than in the past. She also said that the planet has an orbit that makes it return about every 2000 years, and that the earth changes and return of special comets predicts it. Many of us are already sensing this approach, and therefore making changes in our lives and growing rapidly spiritually in the past decades and years. We are all, somehow, preparing for the return and the reunion.
I did some research on the Internet and found some information about this tenth planet, which fascinated me. I knew before that there has been speculations about this planet, but I haven't really thought much about it before. I just wanted to share this experience with you guys...I'm not saying it's true or anything, but it was really a special experience for me. I would also like to know if anyone of you have had similar experiences lately? She told me a lot of people have.
Love and light,
Zebrima
Pardon the revival of an ancient thread. Did anything worth noting happen when Nibiru passed by? I've seen a lot of supposed photos, but other than that it's another case of outsiders saying "we're gonna change everything on Earth" just to get attention.
Listening to an interview with Jason Martell on Coast to Coast AM, he is saying that Sitchin says that the earliest we should expect to come into close contact with this 10th planet, Nibiru, would be 2085.
The interview can be found at http://xfacts.com/x.htm and Martell actually says it at about the 78 min mark.
At this point, I do believe that there is indeed a 10th planet somewhere out there. I'm just very unclear as to when it can be expected and what effects it will have on the earth.