OBE and False Awakening

[ady]

Try the card trick: hide a card somewhere and then look for it while projecting, compare the result after awakening

[Zangatese]

yes..id have to change the card after every projection but yes..this is a good idea. so now alls i gotta do is try and remain RTZ! could be tricky!

[Selski]

Hey Zangatese

I have a lot of empathy with you - I feel the same way too!

Because I have had genuine OBEs, my dreams are now able to mimic exactly what an OBE is like, thereby making it difficult for me to decide whether my experience is an OBE or a dream.

I went through a period where I started to disbelieve I was having OBEs.  I thought I was having false awakenings, albeit very close to reality awakenings, and because they were very close to reality (almost like the top layer of an awakening), my consciousness was so crystal clear that I strongly believed that I really was leaving my body and going walkabout.

However, in February of this year, I did the playing card experiment and 'saw' the correct card, so this proved to me that something was happening, more than just a dream.

But I am still unsure at times.  My OBEs tend to be short too and also happen in the morning, after I've first awoke and then returned to sleep.  I do have them in the afternoon, upon coming out of an afternoon nap.  These tend to be better and longer.  

It's the fact that the dreams are so 'OBE-like' that really gets me.  I even had a dream that I OBE'd in the middle of a dream and then returned to the dream (complicated or what?).

So I haven't really got any answers for you, but just to say that I too have the same problem.  It's not only you.

Ho hum.

Sarah

[ady]

Well, always keep a card by hand, then u know 4sure Good luck everyone!

[Zangatese]

quote:Originally posted by Selski


Because I have had genuine OBEs, my dreams are now able to mimic exactly what an OBE is like, thereby making it difficult for me to decide whether my experience is an OBE or a dream.

I went through a period where I started to disbelieve I was having OBEs.  I thought I was having false awakenings, albeit very close to reality awakenings, and because they were very close to reality (almost like the top layer of an awakening), my consciousness was so crystal clear that I strongly believed that I really was leaving my body and going walkabout.

It's the fact that the dreams are so 'OBE-like' that really gets me.  I even had a dream that I OBE'd in the middle of a dream and then returned to the dream (complicated or what?)

Yes! An empathizer! I know where you're coming from. Thx 4 the input, I'm glad someone else knows what im talkin bout! []

[GhostGirlyNY]

I was just about to create a thread about this very same thing.  I also believe that my lucid dreams are mimicking OBEs.  Is it possible to "dream" while experiencing an OBE?  The other day, I woke up and felt the familiar pulling that occurs directly before I go into "paralysis."  I allowed it to happen and began to repeat "I raise myself to a higher level of vibrations."  I've found that this is usually the only way for me to experience the vibrations and actually slip out of my physical body.  I felt my astral body sliding off of the bed, and I landed on the floor.  For some reason, my vision was obscured, and I was stumbling around (normally, I float around while having an OBE).  As I made my way through the closed bedroom door and down the stairs,  my vision became clear, and I was able to "walk" merely by thinking about where I wanted to go.  My entire family was downstairs, and I floated from room to room.  I started to yell at all of them, particularly my father (who is a nonbeliever), "Can you see me?!  Can you see me?!"  I even touched them and was frustrated to find that my hands did not go through them as they sometimes do with other physical objects.  My mother and brother ignored me as they always do, but my father responded with "yes" before proceeding to ignore me with my mom and brother.  Now, I know that he did not see me, so I know that I must have been dreaming.  It felt so much like a real experience, though.  My brother was complaining that his elbow was hurting him, and I held his arm in my hands and massaged the elbow; it was very bizarre.  I kept saying to myself, "I raise myself to a higher level of vibrations," and when I would say it, I would feel intense vibrations and literally float into the air.  I even flew around for a little while.  We have a large mirror in our living room, and I saw myself flying around the room.  If I were truly having an OBE, would I have been able to see myself?  I also saw a silver cord, but I am wondering if my mind created it.  It was thick: about two inches in diameter - and seemed to stretch into oblivion.  I tried concentrating on leaving the house and traveling to another spot.  The first place that came to mind was Florida, LOL.  I attempted to fly through the window but "woke up" in my bed.  Of course, I didn't actually wake up.  At this point, i went into a total dream state without lucidity.  In the dream, I went downstairs yet again and told my family about the OBE that I had just experienced.  They believed me, and this is probably due to the fact that I am desperate for their acceptance.  I feel like such a freak all the time, since they don't know anything about OBEs or the astral.  Anyway, I'm sorry that this was so long, but I just wanted to say that I completely know where you're coming from.  It is nice to know that I am not alone.  I will have to try the card trick as well, because it is becoming increasingly difficult to distinguish between OBEs and lucid dreams.  Anyway, good luck!

[Zangatese]

Yes, thanks for your sharing your experiences GhostGirly.

My parents also have difficulty accepting my astral experiences, my father only being slightly more open minded about it than my mother, when i tell her, she laughs. I think she is quite perturbed by what it would actually mean if i was telling the 'truth' in her eyes. Some people have become so far detatched from reality and their true selves that they completely disregard anything that does not present itself in physical waking life.

My mothers disbelief prompted my attempts to try and contact her from the astral. Often, i find her in the astral somewhere in the house, and i try and move things around her or make her somehow aware of my presence. One time i thought it would be funny to try and frighten her while she was in the bathroom. I woke up and she hadnt been in the bathroom nor was she in her dressing gown as she was in my OBE. However, that night, she had nightmare type experience, whereby she felt someone in the bed with her, and someone grabbed her foot. Obviously she was scared by this, and i wondered whether it could have been related to my desire to try and scare her in my OBE. Who knows.. but i felt pretty bad about it after and haven't tried it since.

Most of the time family i see in the astral around my house are not really them..just kind of astral versions of them..I wonder who they are really. Normally they are just telling me mundane ordinary things and i generally ignore them to go out exploring. I wish i could stay real time zone and see a living physical person but that has yet to happen.

Just another confusing aspect of astral projection but as always, very interesting.

The only way i can truly know if it was a real OBE is if i feel the entire exit, experience and re entrance and wake up immediately after that remembering it all. Of course, lucid dreams and false awakenings add to the confusion! But generally, thats how i tell.

Good luck to you too! Post your experiences!

[Matthew Kingsley]

Lucid dreams, false awakenings and astral projections all happen in
the same dimension. They are all manifestations of one another. To
have a true OBE you've got to use your etheric "PROJECTABLE" double
or also known as the real-time body. I'm not referring to your etheric
body. I'm referring to it's projectable real-time double which has
many characteristics of the etheric body. In this body a person can
tool around and observe things like playing cards set atop a shelf
for you to view and confirm once awake. Or view construction going on
up the street and so on.

Matthew Kingsley
winterman@vif.ca

[Mike17]

Whilst we are on the subject, try this on

I was practising my Mind awake/body asleep thingy, when i thought i fell asleep, and when i woke up i went and watched the news channel (to check the time) at the time the channel was sky 1, but then i woke up again, and thought i dreamed it but i was still tired BUT I WOKE UP AGAIN, 3 times in a row i had a false awakening but the weird thing is that, the TV was set to channel 13 (the news chanel), and the time i saw in my dream was the right time

pretty freaky huh,

[Zangatese]

Hi,

Its been a while since ive posted because i havent made much progress worth sharing recently. It seems that all my projections happen spontaneously in the morning time, but I can kind of will them to happen if i desire it enough the night before.

After a gap of a month or so this morning i had one. Or should i say two.
For some reason the projection took much more effort than usual and when in the astral i felt tired and couldnt stay out for long. Also, what im noticing these days is more and more false awakening -whereby i feel myself returning from the astral into my body but wake up in my bed into a 'dream'. This is most confusing because iam not sure whether iam still projecting or just dreaming it. With this one i just got out of bed and went straight out through the window again. This can happen 3 or 4 times in one session.

The problem lies in distinguishing between lucid dreams and OBE. It seems the boundaries drawn between the two are merging with me somewhat. I can do everything now in a lucid dream that i can do in an OBE i.e zero gravity, moving through walls etc. And because the nature of the experience itself is so subjective i cant tell whether my mind is possibly dreaming of an OBE instead of really having one after the false awakening.

Are there any suggestions as to how to tell the difference?? Things like looking at your hands are not gonna help because my mind already know what it looks like to see the hands melting thing so it could just recreate that in a lucid dream. [!]

Also any tips for helping astral fatigue as that is the cause ( i think) for the majority of my false awakenings. It is frustrating me!

Thx for reading.
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