obtained vibrations today

[Kuhl]

Its normal to hear sounds.  What makes the difference is whether you react to them or not.
Almost everyone has their own OBE technique that has to be fine tuned to that individual.  I found it is much easier in the morning after you have had a chance to rest.  Some people can project simply by "willing" their way out.  You just have to remember to try and not think to much.  You will get more and more used to the sensations and will become better at being passive.

[Paul_kcn]

This kinda sounds like what happened to me...Too bad you didnt try and react to the vibrations. I bet you could of gotten out!

How did you get to the vibrational stage..? Self hypnosis or what..? The part where you flexed at the base of the brain stem seemed interesting, Im guessing there is a way that most people can will vibrations on. Like for me, it was breathing. Well, bye for now

[kumori]

When I want to attempt AP, or shielding, or anything like that, I begin by lying down. I deepen and slow my breath, focusing on using my stomach instead of my chest. If I am trying to AP I then feel everything go to sleep while I use self hypnosis to get it there. I usually do something like, "Feel you feet go to sleep, then you calves, your shins, your knees.. everything below your waist goes to sleep.." I do this in stages with my waist, then with my shoulders. Before I found the Mind Awake, Body Asleep tactic, I would do this intensely. Now I spend no more than a couple of minutes on this stage. After that, I repeat in my head "Mind Awake, Body Asleep." While I do this I visualize my mind as orange and my body as blue. Colors don't come easily for me when forced, so instead I "feel" my mind being active, then I "feel" my body being quiet. The colors come on their own after a while. It was around this stage that I entered a hypnagogic state. I felt the vibrations come on in my head, and I knew immediately what they were. I did not excite myself with it, instead I just felt them and analyzed. This is when I realized I could still hear externally. I noticed I could hear cars outside, and the ticking of an electric timer for an outside light. I could hear, but I still felt the vibrations, so I just went with it. I wanted to control the vibrations, but I've ruined stages in the past by pushing too hard too fast. So instead I let them fade away, confident that if I'd gotten them once, I'll get them again when the time is right.

[mark1511]

Hi.  I have recently started attempting OEB's again.  I find it quite easy to get to the vibration stage using the mind awake, body asleep method and then saying affirmations like 'I will now leave my body'.  This seems to bring on some strong vibrations.  I got to this stage last night, but I couldn't seem to get out.  I tried rolling out, sitting up and the rope technique.  Does anyone have any suggestions of what the best method is to use in order to get out once you hit the vibrations?

[kumori]

I made what I consider serious progress last night. I had ridden my bike yesterday, and engaged in several activities. In the evening, I was out late playing Magic, and socializing with friends until the wee hours of the morning. It was then I fell asleep, relaxing and meditating in bed. A few hours later I woke up, and knew it was time to attempt an AP.

I finally entered a true hypnagogic state. I was hearing my hum in my ears. I passively paid attention to what I was experiencing, and knew that what I was hearing was my own frequency. I could still hear external sounds in the physical world, but I was able to lock onto the humming in my ears loud and clear.

This allowed me to focus on something, creating all kinds of vivid imagery in my mind. Eventually, I felt a new body. I felt myself pulling out, and I knew it was beyond my physical imagination. This body had a real substance to it, and it was in harmony with the humming I was hearing. When I was young, whenever I would get sick, I would have recurring dreams. Without fail, I dreamed of the same entities every time I was sick. Now, as I consciously felt myself coming out of my body, I perceived myself as one of these entities that would visit me in my dreams. I do not know if I was holding on to this imagery to help myself get out, but I never made a conscious effort to connect these entities with my AP attempts, it just happened.

So more about this body. I felt myself roll over, and at the peak of rolling over, the make or break phase, I would feel my physical head dragging along. In the past when this has happened, it was because I moved my head while attempting to get out. This time was completely different. This time my head was moving because it was stuck to this larger body wanting out. So I relaxed this larger body that I had become, and my head fell back to the center of my pillow. I then began slowly rolling the other direction.

It was around this time that my cat decided to interrupt me. He came over and began licking my arm. Then he decided it was best to lean against me while cleaning himself. It became extremely annoying, because here I was letting go of this physical body, and my cat was serving as a constant reminder of the physical plane.

Unfortunately, I live in a studio apartment. I cannot lock him in another room when I attempt these things. Eventually I really had to pee, but the encouraging thing was that I had to fight like I've never fought before to get my body to wake up. I eventually got one finger to wiggle, and then my arms, but my legs were still fast asleep. When I finally got my legs to move, any thought or feeling of the larger body was gone. Reality came rushing back in. After I relieved myself, and made sure my cat was laying elsewhere on the bed, I relaxed again and waited to see what would happen. The humming returned, quite easily actually, but it never progressed beyond that. Within a few minutes I was fast asleep.

I think I have learned one thing though. Timing wise, it will be easiest for me to project when I have worn myself out, and then rested just enough to awaken my mind.

As far as the vibrations I felt the other day, I didn't experience those this time. I heard this frequency humming in my ear, and I could feel a heavy power across my eyes. It felt like a large amount of electricity flowing from one ear to the other, right across my eyes. It was then that my body began to expand, and I felt more power throughout myself. This was the point my cat became startled and began licking on me. I guess he'll just have to get used to this happening like I will.

I appreciate any input on any portion of this posting. Consider this thread to be my diary now, as I attempt to finally let go.

[kumori]

More satisfying progress was made today. I woke up an hour early this morning, which was completely unplanned. First my phone began ringing, and I ignored it, so then the fan in my bathroom began whirring like the bearings were going out (it's never done this before) and a car outside honked a few times. I finally said "okay, fine, I'll get up". I took care of the fan in the bathroom, and then stayed up for close to an hour. After this, I laid back down and started going through meditations. I didn't really focus on doing any one thing in particular. Instead, I just "watched" the show going on in my head, as various thoughts I had took on a visual form. I slipped in and out of various lucid dreams, and finally gained consciousness in one of them. As soon as I did, the dream stopped and I knew I was laying on my side attempting to project. The vibrations I had felt before started immediately, and they were running all over me, and were very strong! I felt myself come out in a strange way. It was like I was folding myself in half backwards. My feet went back, and my head went back. The very instant my head separated from my physical head, I heard a deep muffled sound. In my mind I thought of it as someone talking to me, but if this is true, it was a continuous stream of words. It was a bit discomforting and caused me to snap out of it. Of course, I was upset with myself for quitting, but I am still pleased with my progress.

On a side note, I find it very interesting that I heard this voice. Both at the time I almost projected, and at another time in a dream, a male voice was behind my shoulder telling me something. If someone is attempting to help, I hope that they do not give up, as I do not plan on giving up.

I'd mentioned before I had a setback when I was around 15. Something took place that scared the living breath out of me. I dropped all of my paranormal experiments at that time, and quit entertaining certain ideas. Over the years I have matured, let go of a lot of ingrained religious doctrine, and am working hard on regaining what I once had. I simply refuse to give up this time, though I will take a comfortable pace.

[AstralTym]

I don't ever feel vibrations
I don't know if that's wrong or not but
I projected the other night but now i'm starting to question that
I always get to a stage where I'm laying in my body, and it doesn't feel like any more visualization is necessary, but i'm stuck there anyway
are vibrations required to project?  what am i not doin right?
i'm getting all the other signs of a projection, even being able to hear myself breathe directly into my ear

[NPerez]

I just woke up, I had a dream that I was on a bus that was going somewhere that I really wanted to go to. First, the bus passed by the place without the driver noticing, and then the bus crashed into a brick wall. This caused the dream to end and I woke up, but I really wanted to get to wherever the bus was going (i forgot), so I tried to keep myself in the dream. I guess this put me in a state bordering awake and dreaming, and I felt the vibrations. I didn't hear any sounds or anything like a lot of people say they do when they feel vibes. I guess I was already too close to being awake, so I couldn't stay like that(otherwise I could be out of my body right now) but it was pretty cool anyway.

[kumori]

I just wanted to take a moment to give an update for any of you who followed this thread when I first created it.

Lately I have been putting Projection on the back-burner, and focusing on my old faithful meditation and awareness exercises. I downloaded and read Robert Bruce's New Energy Ways. Of course, these were not the exercises tailored for Projection as in the book, but they have been exciting for me. I picked them up rather quickly. I have not found any trouble spots yet, and while my left side is a bit stronger, both of my hands and feet are receptive to shifting awareness and flow of energy. Usually, all I have to do is think about it, and I'll feel the sensations. In fact it happened as I typed this up. ;oP

I attribute this to the fact that this all was a great fascination for me when I was 15. I think because of this I've been more open-minded. I've also had some practice all these years with being aware of my body and feeling sensations and energy.

However, this is an update, so let me get on to what I've experienced since my last post.

On a couple of occasions, I've experienced the most wonderful melting sensation. I would feel strong energy running over my eyes, and I would feel like my head was melting through my pillow, or the couch on one occasion. I did not hear a voice as I had previously, but I did feel a definite presence from a certain direction.

At another time, I think I actually experienced a form of Projection. I am hoping some of you can help me define what is was that I experienced.

I was staying at a friend's house for the weekend, and sleeping in the spare bedroom. I went to bed my normal time, which is usually between 1 and 2 am. Around 7 or 8 I began a dream I can still recall. This dream took place at a ballgame of some sort, and there was an older attractive lady flirting with me. The dream was just a usual dream for me, but then I woke up. Or rather, I became aware, but I did not become aware in the dream. Suddenly, my mind was in two places. The dream was occuring in my head, but at the same time, I was awake in the spare bedroom, staring at the wall. On the wall was a large spider crawling down the wall. I was not afraid of it at all. I knew it wasn't real, and just watched it crawl down the wall. While I watched this spider, the dream of the ballpark continued in my mind. Eventually, the ballpark dream ended, the spider faded away, and I was awake in the room, eyes open, staring at the wall.

I know my physical eyes were open while I was watching the spider, but I knew it wasn't real. I was also aware of two different situations playing in my head, one being the dream, and the other being the spider.

Any opinions? I would really appreciate it.

[Anna]

When I was first attempting astal projection conciously several years ago it was extremely difficult. I spent hours in meditation, relaxation, etc with little or no results.
The break thru came when I began on this plane to "own" my energy.  To start trying to see the energy conciously in everything and everyone around me, (auras, thoughts, etc. Which are all energy, animals are great for this.)  and to begin channeling from on high energy down thru the kundalini. After I learned to open my chakras, balance and own my own energy and not fear it, let healing energy from on high clear any blocks in my own energy,play with my energy like a child,  it became easy. (there are balling techniques and channeling techniques for this.) Energy circles are also wonderfull for this with other people because you can experiment gathering energy and channeling it everywhere.
We are energy beings. Especially in astral projection. The trick to astral projection is to know the energy which you are composed of; to own it, to use it , and not fear other energy or beings which you may encounter on the astral planes.  Once you understand it, you also understand that lesser beings with a lower vibration than yours cannot harm you in any way only bug you if you let them. If for some reason you are "attacked" on the astral plane , you can simply tell this being to go away. By the laws of the universe and free will, they may not torment you if you tell them to leave you alone.  Call for protection if you feel unable to do it yourself.  A great trick for me is to call on higher beings , which will always come to your aid out of love with good intentions. If you are afraid of confrontations, ask this being their intentions, they must tell you by  the laws of the universe.  If you dont like their intentions, you have the free will not to participate and tell them to leave your presence at once. I have never once had this not work.
I would also like to mention that I usually AP at night right before bed. My body is usually tired then and easier to exit. I conciously ask for my concious mind to slow down and virbrate at a lower speed, that my subconcious mind vibrate at a higher speed and that my body relax , my heatbeat to regulate and slow and regulate my breathing which brings all three bodies in alignment. There is usually a loud buzzing in my ears until the energy gets right and then it stops and I enter a void. This is the universal concious.  I then ask higher beings to come and be with me on the astral plane, and that I may remember upon conciously waking all that accured during my "play time " with them.  They are wonderfull beings that come and they do love to play. I never wake up tired, always refreshed and joyfull and at absolute peace with all and the world around me.
This makes it easier and less scary to learn how to exit your body, travel, be with beings and reenter your body. I would also like to note that I always Ap upwards, from a position on my back with my arms above my head with my palms up. There is also a definate "click" when I leave or reenter my body. Also, I only have to have a thought, like leaving my body or re-entering it.  My being does it itself.  I have also never been locked out, not in my lifetime.  I have always know I can go back and get back in my body in the blink of an eye, at any time I choose during this "play time".
Perhaps looking at the Astral plane with the eyes and heart of a child would help. Remember that we abound in love and are surrounded by it, that the astral plane is a learning ground similar to a playground. Have fun with it with it: like a child does on a playground.  A child does not automatically know how to make that wheel spin, but when they learn, it is with joy that they play for hours upon it oblivious to the world around them. I have also found if I have difficulty relaxing into a meditative state to get up and whirl around in a circle like a child on a playground, then lay back down or fall down and try again. It does something to loosen everything. Children do this on a playground and adults dont understand why.  They love the sensation!
All I know is that this works for me.







Anna[]

[Fuzziwig]

Im very happy for you Kumori. Im a sucker for successstories [^].
Best of wishes
Fuzziwig

[kumori]

Before I start this new post, I'd like to ask if I'm violating any courtesy rules on this board. If it is more desired I start a new thread rather than resurrecting this old one each time I wish to add something, please say so. Also, with this particular post I am going to talk more about dreams, but I think they are related to my AP attempts. Please forgive me if I've incorrectly categorized my posting. ;oP

Either way, on with the post!

quote:
" When I was young, whenever I would get sick, I would have recurring dreams. Without fail, I dreamed of the same entities every time I was sick. Now, as I consciously felt myself coming out of my body, I perceived myself as one of these entities that would visit me in my dreams. I do not know if I was holding on to this imagery to help myself get out, but I never made a conscious effort to connect these entities with my AP attempts, it just happened."

This quote is from one of my earlier posts, and I wanted to take a moment to expound upon it.

These entities I dreamt of while sick were large robotic-like beings to me. What I mean by robotic is that they were bulky, with squarish features, not that they were some type of cyborg.

These beings moved extremely fast, and a recent post by Greytraveller about Quick Time struck a deep chord with me. Everything in these dreams was too fast for my young self. I felt like an observer along for a ride, more than an owner of a dream.
These beings would realize at the end of the dreams that the speed and intensity had scared me. They would then apologize and try to make amends. The most common way was to offer me a toothpick. ;oP


Another element in these dreams involved being the passenger in a car speeding up and down a long windy road. I could see the road as in an overhead view, and can still recall the landscape of mostly red and black shadow. The drivers were of course these large blocky beings.

These dreams all came to a halt the summer between 6th and 7th grade. At this time I had a serious fever that resulted in a seizure. I had the last dream of these beings then. Before my seizure, in the dream, I was laying down on my back and there were two with me. One laid on each side of me. They began to shake first, and I was scared. I looked at them, and they were just as scared as I was. They didn't have anything to offer in comfort this time. Well, then I began shaking in the dream, and awoke to a real seizure. After this, I was unconscious for hours while I was shipped around to a couple different hospitals and cat scans were performed.

In the long run, the only lasting damage was my change of mind. I never dreamed of the beings again. Also, I was put on dilantin, which resulted in me stopping all nocturnal activity. Before the medication, I would talk and kick in my sleep, even occasionally walking in it. My mom would at times find me sitting on the end of my bed with eyes wide open, completely asleep. After the medication though, this all came to a halt. My mother took me off the medication after a year, despite the doctor's protest. But in this case, (though may not be true in others) the doctor was more concerned with experimentation than he was with my actual well-being. He even admitted that a seizure at my young age because of a fever was not surprising.

There are many physical-world explanations for each portion of this, but I am tired of this. Instead I want to get some real imaginative and astral theories and ideas about all of these experiences.

Please! Put on your other-worldly imagination hats and fire away!

[kumori]

I have been entertaining Astral Projection since I was about 14. At that age, I just didn't think I was capable of doing it, and I certainly didn't know the steps involved to get there. I've always researched self-hypnosis and mental phenomena, so I would try to induce an OOBE from there. For years, I put this stuff away, not even doing the meditations I had done almost daily. Over the past few years, I've felt a return of the interest and possibility of Astral Projection, so I have put my thought and will back into it.

I have gleaned so much helpful information from this board, especially from Frank, who always seems to have good input. I think the most helpful thing has been reading all the experiences. It has given me a chance to ask myself what I would do in those same situations. I think this will prepare me when the time finally comes.

My problem with AP has been in achieving a true hypnagogic state, but perhaps I am not understanding it fully. I can easily shut my body down, making it difficult to move without forethought and focus. However, I always hear. Today I achieved what I know had to be vibrations, but I could still hear and think about cars driving outside, and other small noises in my apartment. However, I know these were the necessary vibrations. I enjoyed them for a while, then patiently tried to push them along my body. I couldn't really get them to leave my head. They went away for a while, and I was able to make them return on a small scale by "flexing" near the base of my brain stem. I don't think I was physically flexing this area, but I figured out that by focusing in this area, and feeling it tense, the vibrations would come through my head. I did eventually get a couple of waves to go through my body, but that was about it.

I appreciate all input on this experience, and what I may look for in the future.

By the way, today's experience was possible because I did something different. Instead of some of the many techniques I've read and tried, I used a simple one I found here, about saying Mind Awake, Body Asleep. This is while you visualize your mind as vibrant and orange, and your body as quiet and blue.

Thanks again, especially to Robert Bruce, for bringing such resources and people together.