Ok... clicking into phase easier now

[TravelingBull]

I still want a couple more weeks to perfect my exit and enjoy my times in the Astral... just getting comfy!  however, in all my spiritual experiences i am use to a friend... is it better to find an Astral partner to show you the ropes? or just bang around the Astral figuring STUFF out? I would think 2 is always better than one and know i could learn a great deal faster with an experienced traveler. I just got loose and looked around for a little bit... need more time... just planning ahead and want to know how others developed once they finally got free. thanx!

[Chris J.]

When you're having an experience, if you want help from someone, just think about that. Put out the thought that you want help, and someone will help you.

[TravelingBull]

Dont really think its help i need!   just an explorer! you know someone who you travel with... I guess this a loner experience... i know i can call on guides... not really into that! would rather have another AP buddy like a human! hahahahaahaha! i will just do this on my own. I should record my progress its just everything is happening so fast... think I will visit a friend on the other side of the world next time... just need to have purpose before i exit! i think i will start a journal! i expected this progress to be harder...

[Xanth]

Be it a human who is currently living a physical life, or some other "being"... I don't see the difference. 

But yeah, astral projecting/phasing/whatever isn't hard.  What's hard is to put the time you're "out" to good use.

[Summerlander]

Creating or summoning a friend in the Phase may be good and dandy but:

1- You need to ask yourself what you need help with and...
2 - Why not just use the same intent that you have used in summoning a helper, to get what you want directly instead?

Be careful not to create a fantasy of your own where a friend shows you around the great unknown as this may gradually take you down a delusional path. Your own subconscious, believe it or not, has the power to concoct a convincing reality for you based on expectation, and, the more you accept it as the truth, the further you may wrap yourself in it.

I get a little riled when people start talking about getting in touch with their "oversouls", or spirit guides with the expectation of some sort of help or guidance. Why? Here's a possible (and very probable) scenario...

The minute they have this idea in mind, as incredible as it may seem, the subconscious has already manufactured all sorts of scenarios to be played out for you at your request once you enter the Phase. The course of Phase events that may then unfold will give you the illusion of unpredictability because you have already decided upon this unconsciously (as you will undoubtedly want to be convinced of its authenticity and avoid disappointment with the experience of a falsified storyline). You are, after all, asking to be shown the ropes in a conceptual world (the Astral Plane) which you already believe in without question, so it would make no sense in having that challenged (unless you can handle going cold turkey with a major paradigm shift ).

The guide will come and show you around some interesting worlds and you will see many amazing things where, in all fairness, could be a product of your imagination, which, unbeknownst to you, had already been created and stored in the great subconscious reservoir. You can think of it as a 'useful' file that has been saved for later. The purpose... you already know.

You don't have to be dictated upon by your own subconscious or hypothetically by a more "experienced traveller". Once you enter the Phase, do what you want and explore whatever environments you may encounter. My best advice for you is to have NO expectation. I have no friends in the Phase whatsoever (apart from my deceased 'is it really him' stepfather whom I see when I want if you catch my drift).

There is no map for such reality and there can never be one because, although it may emulate three dimensions, it is not three-dimensional. Just like in the physical world - where you don't need to have someone showing you around/telling you what you could/should do all the time - so be it the Phase state.

You never know who you can trust to show you around anywhere you go anyway. If you encounter people in our world who seem to be knowledgeable and the information they provide resonates with you...then take heed of it. Likewise, if an apparently sentient being is encountered in the Phase realms and offers you some advice - and intuition persuades you to go with it - then take it on board...but don't look for it as there is no need and NEVER EVER lose sight of other possible venues, angles and perspectives. Mistakes may be made but trial and error will only make you wiser.

You've got the power to do anything you like in the Phase. All you have to do is believe (be careful how you employ this). Have confidence in yourself and in the fact that your intent can yield results. Be determined to get what you want directly...don't run around the houses in a little car.

By the way, congrats on your progress. Perfect that exit!

[Selea]

Your own subconscious, believe it or not, has the power to concoct a convincing reality for you based on expectation, and, the more you accept it as the truth, the further you may wrap yourself in it.

True.

However since the subconscious has also the power to *create* (in all "planes"), if you get practical results from that creation and you act as a master therein instead of a puppet, there's nothing wrong with it.

Because, you know, this is exactly what happens also in "physical reality". You learn an image of yourself when you are a child (usually it happens very early, before the age of 4/5) and you literally "plasmate" all you do and experience around it. All your experience, what you see, what you feel, what you are, are built around that image. Also what you call "reality" is, in truth, a "delusional" world. And, as you say, the more you are wrapped around it, the more it becomes true. This "delusion" is the only thing that most people have and for them both their self-created image and the world created around it, are the only absolute truth.

Getting to the core, freeing yourself from this "delusion" (as it is the goal of mysticism) let you see this, that ALL is illusion, but, while a good achievement for itself, its practical result is not the experience of this freedom, but the ability to change that "delusion" to what you want, depending on what you want to do. Instead of being a slave of the "delusions", you are a master, creating the ones you want depending on what you want to do.

In fact, you cannot literally exist in and experience *any* reality ("imaginary" or not, using your own terms, also if there's no distinction) without this "delusion" happening. This is why, in mysticism, it is said that after "crossing the abyss" you must "return to the world".

You don't have to be dictated upon by your own subconscious or hypothetically by a more "experienced traveller". Once you enter the Phase, do what you want and explore whatever environments you may encounter. My best advice for you is to have NO expectation. I have no friends in the Phase whatsoever (apart from my deceased 'is it really him' stepfather whom I see when I want if you catch my drift).

You always have "expectations". You always set an "intent" and create a "world" from it before you enter what you call the phase. Always, same as you always create an "intent" when you enter in "physical reality" as a child.

Just like in the physical world - where you don't need to have someone showing you around/telling you what you could/should do all the time - so be it the Phase state.

Actually in the physical world your parents do this for you. They teach you a certain "image" of the world and teach you how to have practical results from that "image".  

You never know who you can trust to show you around anywhere you go anyway. If you encounter people in our world who seem to be knowledgeable and the information they provide resonates with you...then take heed of it. Likewise, if an apparently sentient being is encountered in the Phase realms and offers you some advice - and intuition persuades you to go with it - then take it on board...but don't look for it as there is no need and NEVER EVER lose sight of other possible venues, angles and perspectives. Mistakes may be made but trial and error will only make you wiser.

That's good advice.

[TravelingBull]

Creating or summoning a friend in the Phase may be good and dandy but:

1- You need to ask yourself what you need help with and...
2 - Why not just use the same intent that you have used in summoning a helper, to get what you want directly instead?

Be careful not to create a fantasy of your own where a friend shows you around the great unknown as this may gradually take you down a delusional path. Your own subconscious, believe it or not, has the power to concoct a convincing reality for you based on expectation, and, the more you accept it as the truth, the further you may wrap yourself in it.

I get a little riled when people start talking about getting in touch with their "oversouls", or spirit guides with the expectation of some sort of help or guidance. Why? Here's a possible (and very probable) scenario...

The minute they have this idea in mind, as incredible as it may seem, the subconscious has already manufactured all sorts of scenarios to be played out for you at your request once you enter the Phase. The course of Phase events that may then unfold will give you the illusion of unpredictability because you have already decided upon this unconsciously (as you will undoubtedly want to be convinced of its authenticity and avoid disappointment with the experience of a falsified storyline). You are, after all, asking to be shown the ropes in a conceptual world (the Astral Plane) which you already believe in without question, so it would make no sense in having that challenged (unless you can handle going cold turkey with a major paradigm shift ).

The guide will come and show you around some interesting worlds and you will see many amazing things where, in all fairness, could be a product of your imagination, which, unbeknownst to you, had already been created and stored in the great subconscious reservoir. You can think of it as a 'useful' file that has been saved for later. The purpose... you already know.

You don't have to be dictated upon by your own subconscious or hypothetically by a more "experienced traveller". Once you enter the Phase, do what you want and explore whatever environments you may encounter. My best advice for you is to have NO expectation. I have no friends in the Phase whatsoever (apart from my deceased 'is it really him' stepfather whom I see when I want if you catch my drift).

There is no map for such reality and there can never be one because, although it may emulate three dimensions, it is not three-dimensional. Just like in the physical world - where you don't need to have someone showing you around/telling you what you could/should do all the time - so be it the Phase state.

You never know who you can trust to show you around anywhere you go anyway. If you encounter people in our world who seem to be knowledgeable and the information they provide resonates with you...then take heed of it. Likewise, if an apparently sentient being is encountered in the Phase realms and offers you some advice - and intuition persuades you to go with it - then take it on board...but don't look for it as there is no need and NEVER EVER lose sight of other possible venues, angles and perspectives. Mistakes may be made but trial and error will only make you wiser.

You've got the power to do anything you like in the Phase. All you have to do is believe (be careful how you employ this). Have confidence in yourself and in the fact that your intent can yield results. Be determined to get what you want directly...don't run around the houses in a little car.

By the way, congrats on your progress. Perfect that exit!

WOW! THANX FOR THE INSIGHT! i knew faith and will was dominate there! didnt know FANTASY could mislead you! this will change my approach on exit for sure! thanx a million for the understanding I so needed! this info is priceless! no traveler needed! Just a great community!

[TravelingBull]

Selea... I understand! if i am the MASTER of my life... I can be who I want to be the the Natural or Physical... Same applies to the Astral! what I create there (as long as I am the Controller) its just a reflection of me and my belief system... its a tricky realm i see! I wanted to see it in its natural form... but basically... its not really possible! Because its always shifting... not just from my faith... but other also that are connected to me! Am i understanding this right?

[Summerlander]

Actually in the physical world your parents do this for you. They teach you a certain "image" of the world and teach you how to have practical results from that "image".

Not in all cases though ^^...and not throughout your stay in this world. I say this because my parents are divorced and most of what I know wasn't shown to me by them...it comes from having observed the world on my own and having encountered the characters that I did. This is from my perspective, anyway. But I do see where you are coming from.

[Selea]

Not in all cases though ^^...and not throughout your stay in this world. I say this because my parents are divorced and most of what I know wasn't shown to me by them...it comes from having observed the world on my own and having encountered the characters that I did. This is from my perspective, anyway. But I do see where you are coming from.

I was talking when you where a little child. You think you learned the "vision" of the world by yourself when you were 1/2/3/4 year's old? Your parents (and not only yours) gave you coherency on the chaos, by giving it an "image" on where you could work upon.

As I said when you are past 4/5 that "image" is already created.

Naturally you can refine this "image" by yourself and your experiences, but the real bulk of it, the foundation it's already setted. Many people think they are changing themselves by and by, but they change only details. The core has already being setted and it's invaried.

The only way to change that core is to annhiliate the fundation altogheter so that the "nothingness" is all that remains, and you can start building up again, they way you want to. Only that this time the fundations will be only imaginary (because you know that they only serve a function), and you can replace them whenever you want.

The paths to come to this annihilation are represented in the paths of Yoga.

[Selea]

Selea... I understand! if i am the MASTER of my life... I can be who I want to be the the Natural or Physical... Same applies to the Astral! what I create there (as long as I am the Controller) its just a reflection of me and my belief system... its a tricky realm i see! I wanted to see it in its natural form... but basically... its not really possible! Because its always shifting... not just from my faith... but other also that are connected to me! Am i understanding this right?

Yes.

There are ways to trascend this "internal creation", but only in part, because if there's an image there's always interpretation behind. Pure freedom from interpretation cannot generate an "image" as in Samadhi.

[Summerlander]

That makes sense Selea. I know where you are coming from. I've got three kids and they definitely need guidance so I'm doing my best to be that "helping friend".