OOBE I just had! - Extended Discussion

[Birm]

Hi Lunatic,

Can you please try to describe us how you feel while OBE. I mean the state of mind. Sounds and eyesight. Smells. Gravity...

Regards,
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[TheLunatic]

Well let's see...

When I drop down from a second story it feels as if I am a feather slowly drifting down. So far I've found it very hard to fly and mostly stick to walking. I don't think gravity is really affecting me at all but my mind thinks it is. I would say gravity has almost no affect on the astral but don't quote me on that.

I can't say that I've smelled anything in any of my oobe's. Although when I go threw walls perhaps there is some kinda of smell. It's very hard to describe.

I feel different in each OOBE. Sometimes I am 100% conscious and sometimes it's more like a cross between a dream and a OOBE. I do admit being overly rushed to do something. I should really take the time to stop and smell the roses as it where but it's been a struggle to have an OOBE and when I do feel rushed.

Seeing was terribly hard at first. It would fad out and in as I tried to straggle to see. Here lately it shifts between kinda bad to really good. It's pretty much been inline with physical sight so far. I see in one direction just like I normally do with very little weird astral sight stuff like some people report.

Last night I repeated what I had done to have the OOBE's in my previous post and this morning I had two more OOBE's! The first one really wasn't much more than getting out of my body for a few seconds then getting pulled back in but the second one was kinda interesting. I started out in my room and was trying to go threw my wall but found it really hard to get threw as it felt like the fillings in my teeth where solid and would not pass threw the wall. I don't know why I would have astral fillings in the first place but it kinda hurt! After trying a few times I finally got outside but it wasn't outside my current home it was outside of my childhood home. It looked really dark outside and was hard to see so I got alittle uncomfortable but I went ahead and yelled for my spirit guide. This time I didn't see anything for a few seconds. I turned around and started walking back toward the house when I noticed a black bird on the ground next to my feet. It squaked at me but this time I clearly noticed that there was two different things happening. The squak happened then at the same time but taking much longer there was a stream of idea's or thoughts coming into me. I have completely no idea what they where but it was kinda like someone whispering to you just below the level you can understand them. You know they said something but you can't make it out. Maybe this is what Mr Monroe was talking about with his non-verbal communication. Right after that everything went dark and I found myself back in my bed.

quote:Originally posted by Birm

Hi Lunatic,

Can you please try to describe us how you feel while OBE. I mean the state of mind. Sounds and eyesight. Smells. Gravity...

Regards,

[Birm]

Thanks for the info Lunatic...

I have a few more questions before i tell you about my experiences on the astral senses...

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my hearing instantly changed and was mostly just a high pitch wine. This is the same sound I get before experiencing vibrations.

Can you try to describe this sound more? Is this sound getting louder and louder when the vibrations spread all over you? Can you hear this sound while projecting? Ever realized this sound when you wake up in the morning?

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I do admit being overly rushed to do something.

I have this same feeling sometimes. Do you have any idea why is this happening?

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Seeing was terribly hard at first. It would fad out and in as I tried to straggle to see. Here lately it shifts between kinda bad to really good. It's pretty much been inline with physical sight so far. I see in one direction just like I normally do with very little weird astral sight stuff like some people report.

Yes, i am glad to hear this because i sometimes have the same experiences on sight. But i must admit when i try to let it go and just wait for a better sight. It gets clearer. Real than real.

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I have completely no idea what they where but it was kinda like someone whispering to you just below the level you can understand them. You know they said something but you can't make it out.

Oh god. This was what i always wanted to talk about. This may be that in the astral we are not talking with words, instead we are comminucating with feelings maybe. I mean like feeling what has been said to you instead of hearing it.

In these days i am trying to meditate with feelings instead of words. I mean i count my breath while meditating. But instead of saying 1,2,3 i try to feel what 1 feels like, and 2 feels like. This puts me in a trance very quickly. And its easier too.

I want to discuss more about the astral senses. So i am waiting for your contribution.
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[TheLunatic]

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Can you try to describe this sound more? Is this sound getting louder and louder when the vibrations spread all over you? Can you hear this sound while projecting? Ever realized this sound when you wake up in the morning?

It's pretty high pitched and yes It does get louder to a point but I'm not too sure if it's really getting louder or if I'm just becoming more aware of it. I'm somewhat of the mindset that the sound is always there and that the brain just ignores it normally. I don't think the sound in itself is directly related to OOBE. But I base this on my own personal feeling... Once I project the sound pretty much stops. As far as waking up, yes when I'm not using an alarm clock I notice the sound often and I find it to be the best time to project as it seems that some layer that makes it difficult just isn't there.

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I have this same feeling sometimes. Do you have any idea why is this happening?

Human nature...

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Yes, i am glad to hear this because i sometimes have the same experiences on sight. But i must admit when i try to let it go and just wait for a better sight. It gets clearer. Real than real.

I'm not really sure what exactly I do differently than I did at first but yes it's becoming easier. It seems at first like I was struggling to use something that wasn't there. Now it's more naturally but I'm still having some problems. I guess it will continue to improve as I get use to operating in the astral.

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Oh god. This was what i always wanted to talk about. This may be that in the astral we are not talking with words, instead we are comminucating with feelings maybe. I mean like feeling what has been said to you instead of hearing it.

In these days i am trying to meditate with feelings instead of words. I mean i count my breath while meditating. But instead of saying 1,2,3 i try to feel what 1 feels like, and 2 feels like. This puts me in a trance very quickly. And its easier too.

I want to discuss more about the astral senses. So i am waiting for your contribution.

Yes! it's really amazing. I've only had one experience with it so far but the more I reflect on it the more interested I become. If you have never experienced it you just can't be told what it's like. It's just that different! What type of experiences have you had? Do you understand anything said yet? As far as meditating yes that sounds like a very interesting idea. Thanks for the scoop I'll try it.
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[Birm]

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It's pretty high pitched and yes It does get louder to a point but I'm not too sure if it's really getting louder or if I'm just becoming more aware of it. I'm somewhat of the mindset that the sound is always there and that the brain just ignores it normally. I don't think the sound in itself is directly related to OOBE. But I base this on my own personal feeling... Once I project the sound pretty much stops. As far as waking up, yes when I'm not using an alarm clock I notice the sound often and I find it to be the best time to project as it seems that some layer that makes it difficult just isn't there.

Yes i think that the sound may not be related to OBE. Also i personally dont hear the sound while i am OBE. But concentrating on it actually works for me to easily get into trance indeed.

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Yes! it's really amazing. I've only had one experience with it so far but the more I reflect on it the more interested I become. If you have never experienced it you just can't be told what it's like. It's just that different! What type of experiences have you had? Do you understand anything said yet? As far as meditating yes that sounds like a very interesting idea. Thanks for the scoop I'll try it.

Well i can understand what is said to me and i can also speak by that way. I really find it hard to describe, too. I just cant find the words to describe it.

By the way, do you think that this can be telepathy?

[TheLunatic]

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Well i can understand what is said to me and i can also speak by that way. I really find it hard to describe, too. I just cant find the words to describe it.

By the way, do you think that this can be telepathy?

How many times have you communicated in this way? And with who or what? Did you learn anything that might be of value to the rest of us?

I would like to say no in regards to the telepathy but being that I've never experienced telepathy I just can't say.  I'd like to think that telepathy would still be more vocal in nature where-as what I experienced wasn't words.

[Birm]

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How many times have you communicated in this way? And with who or what? Did you learn anything that might be of value to the rest of us?

I would like to say no in regards to the telepathy but being that I've never experienced telepathy I just can't say. I'd like to think that telepathy would still be more vocal in nature where-as what I experienced wasn't words.

Well actually when you try to talk to someone in the astral you have to communicate this way. I dont know any other way.

I dont want to write about my experiences because people may think that i am just setting these up. Because they sound silly, really silly. But anyway, i tried to talk to a stone once. It answered me. It was nonsense i know. But i just tried it. I said "What are you?" and it said "I am energy."

When you are in the astral everything can happen you know.

About the communication:
I can describe it as knowing it when it is told you. Yes nothing but knowing.

I mean we interpret the words in order to understand the sentences. I can talk turkish and english. When i read or hear sentences in these languages i understand them. Like this:
When you hear : "I am from Trdoniiddia"
You simply understand that the person talking is from somewhere named Trdoniiddia. But you just dont know the word Trdoniiddia. You had never heard of it. But you can understand that it is a name of some place.
This shows that we just dont interpret the words but we interpret sentences and phrases. When you hear the whole phrase you just understand and "know" it.

Astral communication is similar. You dont hear any words, instead you just know when something is transmitted to you. But your concious mind is used to think with words since you had learned to talk. So when you know something is transmitted you just imagine it is told you by words. I mean you convert them.

This explains how an animal or creature can talk in turkish. Even a stone can.

I am working hard on communicating and thinking without using the words.

Last night when i went to bed. I started breath meditation. On each exhale i tried to know that which number i am counting.

Inhale
Exhale
I feel like i am knowing i am on 1
Inhale
Exhale
I feel like i am knowing i am on 2
Inhale
Exhale
I feel like i am knowing i am on 3
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it goes on like this.

This really helps. Please experiment it and tell me about your experiences on this.
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[TheLunatic]

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Well actually when you try to talk to someone in the astral you have to communicate this way. I dont know any other way.

I dont want to write about my experiences because people may think that i am just setting these up. Because they sound silly, really silly. But anyway, i tried to talk to a stone once. It answered me. It was nonsense i know. But i just tried it. I said "What are you?" and it said "I am energy."

When you are in the astral everything can happen you know.

That doesn't sound silly to me. People are very use to the way the physical world works so I believe that when we try and explore the astral we should try everything we can, even silly stuff. It's sorta like being a child again. You shouldn't feel bad because you're intelligent enough to realize that things might react differently.

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About the communication:
I can describe it as knowing it when it is told you. Yes nothing but knowing.

I mean we interpret the words in order to understand the sentences. I can talk turkish and english. When i read or hear sentences in these languages i understand them. Like this:
When you hear : "I am from Trdoniiddia" You simply understand that the person talking is from somewhere named Trdoniiddia. But you just dont know the word Trdoniiddia. You had never heard of it. But you can understand that it is a name of some place.
This shows that we just dont interpret the words but we interpret sentences and phrases. When you hear the whole phrase you just understand and "know" it.

Astral communication is similar. You dont hear any words, instead you just know when something is transmitted to you. But your concious mind is used to think with words since you had learned to talk. So when you know something is transmitted you just imagine it is told you by words. I mean you convert them.

This explains how an animal or creature can talk in turkish. Even a stone can.

Yes I see your point but currently when I'm in the astral I still use words because that's what I'm use to. I've not had very many experiences where I've tried communicating to other being so I'm somewhat behind you in that regard. I can only speak the one language as well. Do you think that being multilingual has helped you to understand beings in the astral? I think that it might help you somewhat...

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I am working hard on communicating and thinking without using the words.

Last night when i went to bed. I started breath meditation. On each exhale i tried to know that which number i am counting.

Inhale
Exhale
I feel like i am knowing i am on 1
Inhale
Exhale
I feel like i am knowing i am on 2
Inhale
Exhale
I feel like i am knowing i am on 3
.
it goes on like this.

This really helps. Please experiment it and tell me about your experiences on this.

I tried this briefly but so far I can't figure out how to do it. Once again I'm so use to thinking in words I'm having trouble. I have no problem with thinking in emotions like love or happy but concepts like 1 boggle me...

[Birm]

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Yes I see your point but currently when I'm in the astral I still use words because that's what I'm use to. I've not had very many experiences where I've tried communicating to other being so I'm somewhat behind you in that regard. I can only speak the one language as well. Do you think that being multilingual has helped you to understand beings in the astral? I think that it might help you somewhat...

Well being multilingual really helped me alot. I tried to experiment it. One day we had a meeting with our german partners and whole day we talked and discussed things in english. That night i was too tired and i went to bed early. When i woke up it was 5:00 a.m. i got up drank a glass of water and i thought it would be a great time to project. So i started projecting and suddenly i realized that thought were coming and goind in english sometimes. Then i realized i could think in english while at the same time i could think in turkish. I tried to let it go and be a passive observer. I came up in a lucid dream where i was at the university. One of my friends were there and we started talking with him. After a while i realized we were talking in english. But in real life my friend does not know english. I couldnt think about it so much because the dream took me away from these thoughts and some girls came near us while my fiancee was watching. I tried to escape from the girls so it became a nightmare ) When i woke up i remembered these and wrote them down.

Now this experience shows me that our mind is working how it is used to work. That day i used to think in english and when i was in the astral i was thinking the same way...

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I tried this briefly but so far I can't figure out how to do it. Once again I'm so use to thinking in words I'm having trouble. I have no problem with thinking in emotions like love or happy but concepts like 1 boggle me...

Well try visualizing 1, 2, 3 in front of you while meditating. The point here is that 1 means "one" in english, "bir" in turkish, "ein" in german. But seeing the sign is more general as you see. Dont say but see the numbers in front of you while meditating. And try to feel what seeing that number feels like... After a while try to remember the feelings that the numbers give you...

Please try it and tell me about your experiences...

With very best regards,
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[Shippo_The_Gothic_Fox]

WOW! This all sounds so cool! I wish i knew how to have an OBE. Can anyone please tell me how?

[beavis]

To astral project, you need the ability to think without language. The best stuff in astral has no english translation.

[TheLunatic]

I don't agree...
One can project but not be able to think without language. I know this because i've done it lots of times. If you wanna communicant with lots of different beings then what you said is correct.

quote:Originally posted by beavis

To astral project, you need the ability to think without language. The best stuff in astral has no english translation.

[TheLunatic]

Yes it is cool!

Well if you really want to know how to have an OBE you can learn. There isn't just one way to do it and some ways don't work for some people. It really depends on you. I've read at least 6 books on the subject and have spent alot of time experimenting in order to have the few experiences I've had.

I'd recommend reading all of Robert Monroe's books and also Robert Bruce's books on the subject. They come at the OOBE from different directions and it's good to get a feel for what people are trying to say.

quote:Originally posted by Shippo_The_Gothic_Fox

WOW! This all sounds so cool! I wish i knew how to have an OBE. Can anyone please tell me how?

[TheLunatic]

Figure I'd post about the OOBE I had this morning. I've had several OOBE's in the past but they have all been extremely short and I've had a hard time seeing or doing much.

I normally lay down at night before bed and experiment/attempt OOBE's. Last night I was doing NEW which honestly isn't something I do very much, when I noticed that when I rapped energy around my feet at the same time in opposite directions my hearing instantly changed and was mostly just a high pitch wine. This is the same sound I get before experiencing vibrations. My consciousness also expanded at this point. Anyway I continued on with this for alittle while and finally got tired and decided I would try all this again some other time and went to sleep.

I woke up this morning to vibrations. I projected out of my body, went threw my second floor wall and floated down to the ground outside. It was pretty much my standard projection, hazy and somewhat unreal feeling. After about 30 second I found myself back in my physical body without seeing or doing much of anything.

I continued to lay still in my bed and the vibrations returned and I projected for a second time. This time I wasn't really sure if I was projecting or walking around my own house as everything looked real and my consciousness wasn't very good. Once again after 30 seconds or so I found myself back in my body.

Again after lying still for awhile I projected for a third time. This time I found myself outside and completely conscious. It's the first OOBE I've ever had that felt completely real just like I was walking around in my physical body. Just to make sure I wasn't physical I walked over to a tree and my hand went threw it. I walked around for a moment noting what was going on around me. Then decided that I would call for my guide. After doing so a black scruffy looking bird flew down form a tree and landed on a telephone wire, which hung a few feet away. I was somewhat uneasy as I've never asked for that before and wasn't too sure what to expect. It just looked at me and squeaked like birds normally do. I said hello to the bird not really knowing what else to do. It squeaked again and picked something outta it's wing. I got the impression it was alittle bug or something. I though to myself "great I'm talking to a bird" and started to walk again. The bird swooped down from the wire to where I was standing. Then it changed into a brown little rabbit and ran to a nearby tree. Then it changed again into a small red bird and perched on a limb. I was trying to make sense of all of this but I returned to my body before seeing anything else.

It was a very interesting experience!