Dream figures and astral figures.

[serge]

Kurt Leland and many others before him are  suggesting that through the development of inner senses we do eventually ''see'' actual astral people and landscapes. My question to old timers here is this: what is the difference in your opinion between dream figures (as perceived in LD, or ordinary dreams) and astral people?

[Xanth]

Nothing.

The mistake most people make is that there is "fake" entities and "real" entities.

Consciousness is consciousness.  There is no such thing as "fake" anything really.

There's no individual area vs collective area.  There's no "inside you" vs "outside you".

It's ALL consciousness... it's ALL "you".  Every bit of it.

To take the position that something you've experienced is "fake" is to simply not realize the truth of existence.

[serge]

Thanks for your advice. I believe that I was not clear in the way I formulated my question and that I have inadvertently misrepresented Kurt Leland. My word "real" was unfortunate. I agree with you that the dichotomy real and imaginary (or fake) does not exist. Leland by the way is refering to the fact that expanded consciousness allows the Astral visitor to see astral people and landscapes better or in their integrality. In the literature, I think that some Lucid Dream authors (Wagoneer being one) suggest that lucid dreamers meet thought forms (fake people) and possibly real characters. I  am puzzled by  that.

My own opinion at this point is inspired by Husserl: consciousness cannot be seperated from the "object". Therefore all realities ought to be created  by  individual or collective  consciousness, including  physical reality. The act of creation is in fact Decartes' Cogito ergo sum itself.

Thanks again for your point, I believe that we are on the same wave length.